Riots banning system makes zero logical sense

açid·8/7/2019, 8:55:35 AM·1 votes·3,607 views

So I've sadly been playing League of heroin for five years and I've finally been perma banned for the second time (second time wtf). For flaming other people who flame or for offending people that need to get over words on a screen (cyber bullying does not exist). However looking into it alot more than I should I realized that having a system that makes players more inclined to report and flame eachother for reporting and flaming eachother is toxic in general and that if you find someone else toxic or if you're legitimately getting offended somehow you're more than likely scapegoating and are toxic yourself.

Players that are legitimately not toxic don't harrass other players for their behavior as you agree with however in that case where they don't judge they also dont report other players for their behavior because they have no reason to (Its only destructive). The banning system actually does not assist the truly neutral player It just puts toxic players against eachother furthering the idea of a toxic community. A toxic player wants other players to get mad so they can report them and get them banned for it making the banning system a weapon for the toxic player. Banning a player doesnt even stop the player from playing league it just takes away their name, level, skins and champions (I WONDER WHY). Which only furthers the use of buying used accounts and therefor bot accounts which only get banned to create more.

A better solution to your "problem" would be to take players away from chat or even to take away ranked to enforce "breaks" on a player like the ones the person on the ticket form suggested I have. In my personal experience I entered a ranked game on a stressed out day died once, got flamed for it died again got called an inter and was told I'd be reported and then when I say something back to VERBALLY DEFEND MYSELF (Whats that?) I got called toxic and was told I had a mental problem. I didnt report anyone but I was most certainly reported and permabanned with my 2,500 hour account that I also spent $350 on. My fault yes but also Riots for convincing players to hate other players more by making up a fallacy about a toxic community that inclines players to blame eachother and inforcing rules on the grounds of said fallacy.

Keeping shit real shouldn't get you banned. and once again you only witness toxicity to the degree that you are being toxic yourself, banning players for being toxic only makes them come back more toxic because they basically had theyre money and time and lives stolen from them. My theory is that Riots goal is to convince a permabanned player that the ban was justified and that the player was wrong so that said player will spend more money on another account.

Becoming a less "toxic" player isnt about getting banned and coming back thinking you were wrong its about just playing the game and witnessing the positivity of the community around you not judge you for being mad at a videogame when its natural.

Ive never been permabanned and said wow I should learn my lesson however I have been toxic in a game and treated with positivity in response and said wow I'm being a fucking asshole. I hope you unban every permabanned account. Also you guys really ban T1 call him the most toxic player and then cast him saying he's changed? LMAO hes the same person. gg.

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ModThe Djinn8/7/2019, 1:51:31 PM6 votes

Keeping shit real shouldn't get you banned.

There's a difference between "keeping shit real" and "being an ass about it."

The Former: "Hey dude -- seems like you're struggling into that match-up. You should play conservatively and give up farm if needed, 'cause you can't beat him in a fight."

The Latter: "Hey asshole. Stop fucking feeding Olaf. Were you in the back of the line when the brains were being handed out?"

Similarly, there's a difference between "defending yourself" and "being an ass about it."

zPOOPz8/7/2019, 9:01:35 AM5 votes

May I ask you for a favor of re-editing your post with some paragraphs?

Arcade Lulu8/7/2019, 9:58:09 AM4 votes

Yeahh i ain't even gonna read that horrible wall of text

But, if you break the rules, you'll be punished. If you consistently break the rules, you'll be perma banned because riot doesn't want you to play their game anymore Pretty simple, huh, and makes a ton of sense

KFCeytron8/7/2019, 9:02:20 AM3 votes

So, it has come to this: someone displayed misbehavior in a LoL match in flagrant disregard for the game's rules, ToS, EULA, and Summoner's Code. That's unfortunate, and I'm sorry you had to deal with it. If this misbehavior happened in chat (including emotes or ping) and they don't respond positively to a single, courteous, constructive request to focus on the game, your best option is to mute that player. Submit a report after the match. This is equivalent to dealing with a noisy person in a library by asking them to keep it down and then notifying library staff and moving to another area.

Do not respond with misbehavior of your own! If you do that, your teammates may mute and report you, and those reports would be valid. This is equivalent to dealing with a noisy person in a library by getting into a shouting match with them. Just because someone else started it doesn't justify you in continuing it. I'm sure you're familiar with the "s/he started it" trope, where two children get into an argument or fight and then try to claim innocence of any wrongdoing by claiming that they didn't instigate it. As any parent, teacher, or other supervisor of children will tell you, that excuse doesn't fly. When Dad is trying to drive you to Disneyland and your annoying brother starts making faces at you as he's previously been told not to, you should calmly ask him to stop, and then, if that doesn't work, calmly notify your parents of the problem. Making faces at him or shouting at him has never been a good way to get him to stop, and it makes you just as guilty of that as he.

Riot doesn't care who started it. Someone else's misbehavior does not justify your own.

From Riot's support knowledgebase:

  • Simply speaking, retaliation is not an acceptable or justifiable behavior. An argument between two players can easily create a negative experience for the rest of the players in the game with you. Regardless of the other player’s actions, this does not justify your own behavior. You alone are responsible for your actions within the game.If you encounter a toxic player like this, the best option is to simply report their behavior and move on.
  • Reports are a vital piece to the puzzle. If you are not sure of what sort of behavior is reportable take a look at the Reporting a Player FAQ

Your opinion of the rules is of zero relevance. When a cop stops you for going 40 in a 25 zone, you can claim "I think the limit should be 45 here" all you want. You're still getting a ticket. If a librarian asks you to keep your voice down while you use the facilities, shouting that libraries should be loud will simply get you escorted out. If you go to a friend's house who insists that you remove your shoes while you're in their home, "that's a stupid rule and I do what I want" will lose you a friend. If you are using someone else's services, facilities, equipment, etc., you abide by their rules or you deal with the consequences. If you think the rules should change, that is a completely different conversation (and I wouldn't give a plugged nickel for your chances at convincing Riot to change their rules to allow behavior like yours).

From Riot's support knowledgebase:

We work with the overall community and within our own company guidelines to identify what disruptive behavior is and what the consequences for those behaviors should be. We understand that it can be difficult to know where the line is, which is why we provide chat logs and we have a few tiers in the ban process in order to allow for you to learn and grow.

Riot's punishment system used to hand out stacking chat restrictions, such that consistently toxic players basically had a permanent chat restriction. Unfortunately, it turns out that such players used their few chat opportunities to be toxic, and, when they couldn't be as toxic as they wanted to, they resorted to committing non-chat offenses such as griefing (following someone around and taking their farm, using wall abilities to interfere with their play, etc.) or inting. The purpose of the punishment system is to eliminate rule-breaking, not make it worse. Thus, if a couple chat restrictions don't make any difference in a player's misbehavior, the system ramps up the punishments until the player is permabanned and thus unable to use that account to break any more rules ever again.

Riot used to give toxic players a long series of gradually-increasing suspensions. However, they found that players who got more than a few punishments would never stop misbehaving and receiving punishments. As the goal of the punishment system is to eliminate rule-breaking and Riot has absolutely no interest in coddling toxic players, the system was changed to eliminate this long tail of irredeemable players. Compared to the hundreds or even thousands of typical players who are bothered over dozens or hundreds of matches ruined by a toxic player, that one player's ability to annoy people merits no sympathy or concern. The preferred outcome of punishing a misbehaving player is reform: according to Riot's figures, most players who get one punishment never get another. However, when a player refuses to stop breaking the rules after a few warnings (punishments), they are removed from the game with a permaban because Riot no longer believes them capable of reform.

Did you find something in Riot's store allowing you to break the ToS? No, because such a service is not offered. Regardless of how much money you spend, you are required to follow the same rules as everyone else. If the IFS determines that you've been validly reported in violation of those rules, you'll be punished according to those rules. If you wanted to avoid a punishment, you should've followed the rules.

The ability to play on a new account doesn't negate the benefits of permabanning toxic players. If every single one of them did that, then it would at least be a minor punishment, taking away their unlocked skins, icons, champs, and so on. Any who don't do that are removed from the game and the problem is solved in at least those instances. Quite frankly, Riot and 99.994% of the playerbase (people without permabans, according to Riot's figures on this, which I see no reason to doubt) don't give one whit for how permabanned players feel about being ejected from the game for consistently appalling behavior. Most permabanned players stop playing the game. It's extremely rare for a permabanned player to be so oblivious and/or unbalanced that they accumulate multiple permabans on a series of accounts. Riot does not have the wherewithal to prevent that except when a highly-visible player (such as a popular streamer) engages in this behavior, in which case they may issue an ID ban (Riot employees manually ban any account that such a player is seen to use).

The money Riot gains from duplicate purchases on serial permabanned players' accounts pales in comparison to the many typical players driven away by toxic customers. It is not a conspiracy. Riot just doesn't want those toxic players to play the game anymore.

You are certainly allowed to defend yourself from toxic chat, which is accomplished by muting. This is a 100% effective method. Flaming back is a 0% effective method that also constitutes unacceptable behavior and thus opens you up to reports and punishments. Read about this in more detail here.

Kei1438/7/2019, 2:23:18 PM3 votes

So why do you need to defend yourself when people are calling for reports?

All a report does is flag the system to review the game (in the category it was reported in), if the review found nothing wrong, the report will be tossed out.

Knowing that reports alone won't punish your account, there really is nothing needed to be defended. So just brush off those that are accusing you wrongfully. Infact, them threatening to report you counts as harassment against them if they kept that up, they would get punished.