What do you think?

SuicideAll·8/5/2017, 3:27:03 AM·1 votes·503 views

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/feeling-our-way/201401/punishment-doesnt-work

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/07/170704093910.htm

http://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2002/06/spanking.aspx

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:zwIHmmFkOxsJ:www.sas.upenn.edu/psych/PLEEP/pdfs/Unpublished%2520manuscript%2520Kurzban%2520DeScioli%2520Obrien.pdf+&cd=43&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

http://gdcvault.com/play/1017940/The-Science-Behind-Shaping-Player

http://www.gdcvault.com/play/1020389/Enhancing-Sportsmanship-in-Online

http://www.gdcvault.com/play/1022160/More-Science-Behind-Shaping-Player

Please don't downvote. If anything is wrong please give me a link and I will edit it into the original post.

9 Comments

ModUlanopo8/5/2017, 5:53:05 AM6 votes

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/feeling-our-way/201401/punishment-doesnt-work

You're misusing this opinion piece (it's not a study. It's just something a professor wrote.) She does not provide a link to the study she mentions, so we have no way of determining its value (which, from the looks of it, is zero).

Also, she fails to recognize and account for the difference between punishment and consequence.

ModUlanopo8/5/2017, 6:08:53 AM5 votes

http://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2002/06/spanking.aspx

Useless in this context because physical violence against players is not an aspect of League. You can't equate losing your account or some privileges with a physical assault.

ModUlanopo8/5/2017, 5:56:54 AM5 votes

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/07/170704093910.htm

Terrible study, as the researchers disconnected the punishment from the desirability of the behavior. We also already know all about the backfire effect.

ModUlanopo8/5/2017, 6:11:06 AM5 votes

http://gdcvault.com/play/1017940/The-Science-Behind-Shaping-Player

http://www.gdcvault.com/play/1020389/Enhancing-Sportsmanship-in-Online

Did you even watch these? Lyte explains that, in large part, behavior systems work. The 2014 talk also explains how Riot uses non-punishment systems like priming to affect behavior.

ModUlanopo8/5/2017, 6:06:10 AM4 votes

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:zwIHmmFkOxsJ:www.sas.upenn.edu/psych/PLEEP/pdfs/Unpublished%2520manuscript%2520Kurzban%2520DeScioli%2520Obrien.pdf+&cd=43&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

A term paper by some undergrads is hardly useful in understanding the effectiveness of punishment and feedback in League. Also, the paper fails to properly analyze any of the anthropological underpinnings of group behavior (the paper only discusses individual motivations, not culture). It also feels as though you failed to actually read the paper, as it makes the logical argument that punishment is sometimes used to shape behavior and expectation within an in-group, to which my response is "duh."

NinjaGuy698/5/2017, 3:36:15 AM3 votes

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/71/71bf4186f2fd86fe7990f814bb956dd6d77d68ee46e6de9d981f02268d87422f.jpg

I beg to differ with those studies considering the number of players who post on the Player Behavior boards about how their punishments helped them reform. It's also evident when you look at formerly toxic streamers like Tyler1 (who may or may not be playing everyone but that's another story).

SuicideAll8/5/2017, 8:49:56 PM1 votes

If you all are so damn confident you are right, THEN BRING FUCKING PROOF. SHOW ME 1 single scientific paper backing your opinion.