We need some better sort of moderation for the Boards

ƒoes·Dec 20, 2015·10 votes·1,168 views

So, I'm sure many of you are aware of the toxicity that goes around on the Forums. If that's not the case, you've probably seen it somewhere in the discussion area of many threads.

I figured that we need some kind of moderation system that treats toxic players on the forums like toxic players on League of Legends would be treated. Plain and simple; if you're toxic, consequences are put in place.

I don't know if Riot would use a bot, or have hired moderators. Another idea would to have volunteer moderators that have to go through a survey to be reviewed by a higher-up Riot employee in order to become a volunteer moderator. This would of course imply that the volunteer would get no pay - it would be a bit like the Tribunal system for the Boards.

But, it's just an idea. I think we should do something to lessen the toxicity on the Boards, personally, but I'm sure some of you, if not most, agree with me that toxicity is a serious problem that should be addressed on the Boards.

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jaymc1130Dec 20, 20156 votes

What we currently have is an outsourced Mod staff called Metaverse. They take their direction from Keyru and Riot staff, but operate mostly on their own unless something strange requiring higher authority comes up. The problem is that the mods are not very visible, don't participate actively in the community, and can be easily manipulated since the subjects they have authority to take independent action on are very limited. In most cases, a post requires several reports before its brought to mod attention, meaning that the report function can also be used to manipulate the mods into taking action provided the person has questionable moral qualities and a slew of smurf accounts.

What I and many others have suggested for several years now is perhaps having community player mods for the boards. There are drawbacks and benefits to this concept as well and many of the aspects of 3rd Party moderation, Riot staff moderation, and Community Member mderation have all been discussed at length, most commonly on GD in various threads over the last few years with an increasing interest in Community Member moderation the last 6 months or so. There are many, many board goers who will engage on this topic and suggest ideas, and my hope is that since we have seen some success with the Arbiter program we might try to implement other forms of Community Member participation. Using the search function will bring up several threads regarding the topic and several more can be found if you choose to cruise around the forum archives. Should this thread attract enough attention I will search up several past discussions among the playerbase and some involving riot staff and link them here.

Moderation of the boards certainly could stand to improve, the problem so far has been that finding a superior solution to what we already have has been difficult as each new idea presents its own unique flaws and advantages. In any case, discussion on this topic is always welcome and is an excellent idea and I will certainly encourage it as I have addressed this topic countless times over the years and the best bet for improving our situation here is to constantly analyze what we like and dislike and what we want from our boards experience.

Thanks for posting this OP, you've done us all a service by bringing this topic up.

Troll ArmadaDec 20, 20154 votes

So you want:

Censorship of all ideas you disagree with.
Punishment for anyone who hurts your feelings
Hire more staff in order censor more content and/or
Get a core of dedicated volunteers to work for free called The Riot Youth.

Perfect. I have exactly what you are looking for here: https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends

[slayer-jinx-catface]

TwigglesDec 20, 20154 votes

Not at all. He's asking for better moderation on the boards. Let me fix your little list for you.

We want:

The ability to have a discussion about ideas and disagreements with people who don't jump down our throats with insults and ad-hominems.
Punishment for people who log in simply to insult others and piss people off (aka trolls).
Possibly hire others to make this work.
Alternatively give certain reliable and impartial board-goers limited moderation power, giving the boards the ability to police themselves to an extent.

I'm not going to pretend to know what reddit has to do with anything, as I don't use that site. But I think you're being a bit obtuse with your analysis of the OP.

ƒoesDec 20, 20151 votes

Possibly hire others to make this work

Community moderation is something I would love to see. Like I suggested in the original content, having community (volunteer) moderators taking some sort of survey or interview-like test to become either a permanent or temporary moderator (without pay) and be able to prevent or put an end to further flaming would be a fantastic source of moderation.

ƒoesJan 2, 20161 votes

While I love the joke you made (seriously, that's pretty funny), that's not entirely what I'm asking for. Twiggles stated it perfectly:

The ability to have a discussion about ideas and disagreements with people who don't jump down our throats with insults and ad-hominems.

Punishment for people who log in simply to insult others and piss people off (aka trolls).
Possibly hire others to make this work.
Alternatively give certain reliable and impartial board-goers limited moderation power, giving the boards the ability to police themselves to an extent.

DaenJan 2, 20161 votes

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While I love the joke you made (seriously, that's pretty funny), that's not entirely what I'm asking for. Twiggles stated it perfectly: 2. Punishment for people who log in simply to insult others and piss people off (aka trolls). 3. Possibly hire others to make this work. 4. Alternatively give certain reliable and impartial board-goers limited moderation power, giving the boards the ability to police themselves to an extent.

So I'm super late to this party, but I wanted to chime in with a few points.

Moderation, at its most base level, is a pretty tedious and thankless job. If we distill everything down to the specific action of moderation, it's essentially grunt work that can reliably be taken on by a third party team (AKA Modverse).
From a theoretically perfect ideological perspective, should moderation be a collaborative effort between the community and moderators or a set of staff and rules that essentially keeps the forum clean without us ever needing to think about it? There is no right answer here, it's just a preference thing.
If you could organize the following problems by importance of making them better, how would you do so?

Speed of moderation action
Addition/rework of moderation tools (i.e. Report)
Visibility of moderation action
Visibility of moderation staff
Accuracy of moderation action
Involvement of moderation staff
Ability to appeal moderation decisions

Overall, my perspective of moderation is that there are two super basic parts to it:

The physical actions involved in moderating (removing, deleting, moving, etc.)
Community involvement

The first point can be pretty reliably taken care of by Modverse, but it doesn't seem like there's any representation for the second other than TheCurator. The question to ask, essentially, is whether the problem is in the actual moderation or in the involvement of moderation, because the answer separates this concern into something a lot easier to discuss.

SpiralBlackDec 20, 20153 votes

Mods are already nazi's, are you trying to get mao zedong style mods? That's horrible.

jaymc1130Dec 20, 20151 votes

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Mods are already nazi's, are you trying to get mao zedong style mods? That's horrible.

The presence the mods exert outside of GD is minimal to say the least. Very few moderation issues happen outside of that specific subsection. Partially because the mods aren't very active on the boards. Partially because GD is insanely difficult to moderate. Partially because other board subsections don't understand how board moderation works for the most part and thus very rarely utilize functions that bring moderator involvement.

TransgressorDec 20, 20153 votes

I've had my post deleted for "being sarcastic": Linking a player's stats through the website op.gg and literally telling them they have no idea what they're talking about(context provided simply from their stats). The warning said Riot does not allow "me" to sarcastically address other players.

I've been called cancer, I've been called prepubescent retard, I've been told to drink bleach and choke on my own inards, I've been called juvenile, I've been called scum, I've been called psychotic sociopathic and autistic. None of those posts have ever been deleted.

This is just the normal result of living moderation to the whims of random people, who for whatever personal reason decide who's to be punished. Be it frustration, bigotry, a bad mood, whatever that may be, they have absolute authority and nobody can do jack shit whenever they abuse this authority. Which is pretty darn often if I may add.

jaymc1130Dec 20, 20152 votes

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I've had my post deleted for "being sarcastic": Linking a player's stats through the website op.gg and literally telling them they have no idea what they're talking about(context provided simply from their stats). The warning said Riot does not allow "me" to sarcastically address other players.

I've been called cancer, I've been called prepubescent retard, I've been told to drink bleach and choke on my own inards, I've been called juvenile, I've been called scum, I've been called psychotic sociopathic and autistic. None of those posts have ever been deleted.

This is just the normal result of living moderation to the whims of random people, who for whatever personal reason decide who's to be punished. Be it frustration, bigotry, a bad mood, whatever that may be, they have absolute authority and nobody can do jack shit whenever they abuse this authority. Which is pretty darn often if I may add.

One of the issues mods have independent authority to handle is cases of naming and shaming. If you display a players personal info out of context in such a way as to present them in a negative light it can be considered naming and shaming. On the GD subsection the policy is pretty lenient when linking stats from op.gg since the info is readily available to any one but its common in other board sections that if this is used to belittle or demean another poster it warrants removal by the mod staff.

Cases of harassment or offensive speech however only come to moderator attention if they are reported several times. This is one of the flaws in current moderation and one of the things many players wish to see changed. It would be nice if mods were more active in the community and cruised the boards regularly while being more visible and interactive. This would help curb a lot of negativity before it starts or nip it in the bud when it does show up as well as improve the response time for issues mods do have independent control over now. The thing is that this is something the 3rd party mod staff don't do and its something we would likely need community member mods or Riot staff mods in order to see happen.

In any case, the inconsistency with moderation on the boards doesn't come solely, or even mostly, from the poor execution of the job by Metaverse (even though their performance is pretty lackluster), but stems from the board rules as set up by riot. The way they are enforced is a lesson in utter inefficiency and it'd be nice to see that improved so the quality of our board experience would increase.

TransgressorDec 20, 20153 votes

I personally believe it's just another sector of Riot failing.

All their departements but Art and Music are completely incompetent. Player support that can compete with Steam, non-existant communication with the community, no context on all the harse nerfs and extreme changes untill it's too late(if at all), their inability and unwillingess to decide whether this game will be balanced around pro play or the casual playerbase, failures in lore tribunal reworks etc etc.

I think all the money and arrogance made them lose their shit. They weren't prepared for the game to ever grow so big, and they've sat on their hands enjoying the massive influx of money, fame and praise, paying off their investors and shareholders. They chose to ignore and not give value to the blatant problem when it was very small and simple. A valid tactic that can make the stupid redundant problems go away, but this one blew up on their faces.

Lastly, an observation I've made: given the game's popularity and really low age requirement(PEGI12), there's been a cluttering amount of wholerteadly stupid freaking people. This leads to a modus operandi that caters to their opinions simply because they just clump together and create a solid substance. And this substance is rather bad when left unchecked, and is rotting for a while now spreading its filth everywhere. An example being the active encourage of shaming circlejerks which give bad players grounds to continuously join the amptle bandwagons creating fallacies everywhere(ranked bitching, toxicity bitching, balance bitching, shaming banned players, witch hunts, bickering and abusing Riot stuff etc).

The way they are enforced is a lessen in utter inefficiency and it'd be nice to see that improved so the quality of our board experience would increase.

I fear that this won't happen without moderation that turns into fearmongering fascism. The stricter the rules, the easier it is to bend them to your convenience OR find teenie winnie details to give ground to your accusations.

jaymc1130Dec 20, 20153 votes

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I personally believe it's just another sector of Riot failing.

All their departements but Art and Music are completely incompetent. Player support that can compete with Steam, non-existant communication with the community, no context on all the harse nerfs and extreme changes untill it's too late(if at all), their inability and unwillingess to decide whether this game will be balanced around pro play or the casual playerbase, failures in lore tribunal reworks etc etc.

I think all the money and arrogance made them lose their shit. They weren't prepared for the game to ever grow so big, and they've sat on their hands enjoying the massive influx of money, fame and praise, paying off their investors and shareholders. They chose to ignore and not give value to the blatant problem when it was very small and simple. A valid tactic that can make the stupid redundant problems go away, but this one blew up on their faces.

Lastly, an observation I've made: given the game's popularity and really low age requirement(PEGI12), there's been a cluttering amount of wholerteadly stupid freaking people. This leads to a modus operandi that caters to their opinions simply because they just clump together and create a solid substance. And this substance is rather bad when left unchecked, and is rotting for a while now spreading its filth everywhere. An example being the active encourage of shaming circlejerks which give bad players grounds to continuously join the amptle bandwagons creating fallacies everywhere(ranked bitching, toxicity bitching, balance bitching, shaming banned players, witch hunts, bickering and abusing Riot stuff etc).

I feel like there's plenty of truth to your first set of paragraphs regarding the state of the game and the community and the company, I certainly share many of these opinions, but they are definitely exaggerated somewhat. Which is fine, as long as we realize we are exaggerating the level of the problem. It doesn't change the fact that we have identified some issues that are of critical importance for the game's growth going forward and Riot as a company could certainly stand to improve in a number of areas and act in a less greedy manner. Naturally, this is something we can't really control, but perhaps influence by bringing our concerns up and that shall have to do.

I fear that this won't happen without moderation that turns into fearmongering fascism. The stricter the rules, the easier it is to bend them to your convenience OR find teenie winnie details to give ground to your accusations.

I feel like more clearly defined rule sets would be beneficial and remove a lot of the grey area and a more interactive mod crew could prevent a lot of issues that arise well before they become a problem. Consider what I've done just in this thread, I identified an issue regarding personal vendettas immediately prior to the issue arising in this very thread. Imagine we had mods who cruised the boards as I do and when they see something that could spiral out of hand they step in and try to help resolve the issue proactively. Wouldn't this be beneficial? I may not have any title or actual authority, but I've always acted in this manner on the boards, going back years now, and its always a way in which I will choose to participate. It'd be nice to have some official members who also participate in such a fashion as their words might carry more weight than my own. Mine carry only the weight other posters decide to ascribe to them and since I've been around for about as long as the forums have ever existed and thus am fairly well known as both a decent high level diamond player and a fairly impartial board goer they have some weight ascribed to them, but its purely out of respect for my generally positive contributions. (Certainly not all my contributions have been positive, I ain't perfect, I'm a human being like everyone else and I make mistakes too) Wouldn't it be a nicer place if we had official Riot sanctioned authorities acting in this manner on a daily basis? Wouldn't we all feel like our boards experience would be enriched? You don't always have to enforce the rules at gun point, you don't always have to use the stick. Sometimes the carrot works better and having moderation that could apply this principle regularly is something I think would work out well. Its just a thought, nothings for sure of course, but its something to consider carefully.

TransgressorDec 20, 20151 votes

they are definitely exaggerated somewhat

Exagerating for the shake of proving a point. I'm not trying to blow things out of proportions or anything, but it is actually how I pretty much see it.

I identified an issue regarding personal vendettas immediately prior to the issue arising in this very thread. Imagine we had mods who cruised the boards as I do and when they see something that could spiral out of hand they step in and try to help resolve the issue proactively?

Absolutely, but the thing is, I was the one to get attacked based on a pre-existing grudge that was from that other dude's side alone. I don't hold grudges, especially on people across the internet. I simply chose to not give fucks. But I digress.

And here's my issue with this; would you act proactively, that'd mean taking action against the players in whatever way deemed necessary. Taking this case for the best of examples: I believe I was attacked, personally targeted and victimized(not literally, just lack of a better word). I believe that player should be punished/warned, and not me. Someone else, with a mindset opposite to mine, would side with that other dude, and chose to issue a punishment/warning to me instead. Someone subjective might punish/warn both of us without taking sides.

Who will ensure such actions are taking fairly? Okay, you can punish everyone indiscriminately to remain just, but that still isn't fair at all, is it. What I'm trying to get at is, how do we make sure under-no-possible-circumstances authority gets abused? Because if we simply can't, then why waste time and effort to just keep it the same as it is,only 20 times more frequent? I certainly don't want anyone to fall victim of bigoted, angry, racist, authoritarian moderators, and generaly mods in a bad mood, more than they do now. Being the pessimist I am, I can easily see all your propositions get abused(as everything Riot's intentionally left unchecked in the game)to perpetuate bandwagons and circlejerks, as well as enforce actions and thoughts. That doesn't mean your propositions are bad in any way, keep that in mind.

Something Important I almost forgot:

**Filters. ** Would we have the capabilities to filter through our page, we'd get to enjoy the content WE want. No more .gif spam from unoriginal and unfunny shitposters. No more shaming threads. No more bandwagons and circlejerks, no more fucking bad posts being forcefully shoved down one's throat.

You main Zed, and don't like people talking shit about your favorite champion? Filter out all the threads about Zed nerfs, to avoid getting into disputes and bickering. That way, if one STILL goes out of their way to make an ass out of themselves despite being provided with the proper tools, that person can be justifiably punished. As it stands, having 15 fucking trash reaction .gifs from the same set of players(we all know who they are)flooding the front-page and keeping actually really awesome threads down the shitter, is not what the NA Boards are for.

Lastly, I do feel the rules are in dire need of clarification. But that's testament to the situation; we have players braking the summoners code based on game-mode(e.g. players trolling in normals just because they are normals)who can ruined game after game after game and go unpunished. We have to fix those fundamental issues first, before we can enrich the NA Boards experience.

Filters, filters would solve 90% of the bickering because people will get to enjoy the content they actuall fucking want for a change, instead of all the litter.

jaymc1130Dec 20, 20152 votes

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Exagerating for the shake of proving a point. I'm not trying to blow things out of proportions or anything, but it is actually how I pretty much see it.

Absolutely, but the thing is, I was the one to get attacked based on a pre-existing grudge that was from that other dude's side alone. I don't hold grudges, especially on people across the internet. I simply chose to not give fucks. But I digress.

And here's my issue with this; would you act proactively, that'd mean taking action against the players in whatever way deemed necessary. Taking this case for the best of examples: I believe I was attacked, personally targeted and victimized(not literally, just lack of a better word). I believe that player should be punished/warned, and not me. Someone else, with a mindset opposite to mine, would side with that other dude, and chose to issue a punishment/warning to me instead. Someone subjective might punish/warn both of us without taking sides.

Who will ensure such actions are taking fairly? Okay, you can punish everyone indiscriminately to remain just, but that still isn't fair at all, is it. What I'm trying to get at is, how do we make sure under-no-possible-circumstances authority gets abused? Because if we simply can't, then why waste time and effort to just keep it the same as it is,only 20 times more frequent? I certainly don't want anyone to fall victim of bigoted, angry, racist, authoritarian moderators, and generaly mods in a bad mood, more than they do now. Being the pessimist I am, I can easily see all your propositions get abused(as everything Riot's intentionally left unchecked in the game)to perpetuate bandwagons and circlejerks, as well as enforce actions and thoughts. That doesn't mean your propositions are bad in any way, keep that in mind.

In this case, since you chose to participate in the tiff and respond to negativity with negativity I feel it's appropriate if you are both punished according to the weight of the transgression. I believe the weight of the transgression required exactly the level of admonishment you both received from me verbally and the return of the thread to a state of normalcy seems to support the validity of this. Not every job requires a hammer (dat ban hammer op man!), some jobs need a scalpel, some a screwdriver, some a wrench. Its important that the people in charge of handling issues can sort out what tool is needed for the job. Its equally important that the crew be diverse and incorporate many different view points and perspectives so that its not one person who decides how something is handled, but a collective of peers so that the response to a given situation is considered from all angles and appropriate actions are taken. In this specific case it was just one person who handled it, but I think it was handled pretty well, no one suffered unduly, the thread returned to its purpose, both offending parties decided to participate and contribute positively afterwards so it worked out well. It won't always be this simple or this easy, but as far as examples go as to how moderation could improve the boards by being visible and participating actively this case makes a clear statement about the validity of such a proposal.

Something Important I almost forgot:

**Filters. ** Would we have the capabilities to filter through our page, we'd get to enjoy the content WE want. No more .gif spam from unoriginal and unfunny shitposters. No more shaming threads. No more bandwagons and circlejerks, no more fucking bad posts being forcefully shoved down one's throat.

You main Zed, and don't like people talking shit about your favorite champion? Filter out all the threads about Zed nerfs, to avoid getting into disputes and bickering. That way, if one STILL goes out of their way to make an ass out of themselves despite being provided with the proper tools, that person can be justifiably punished. As it stands, having 15 fucking trash reaction .gifs from the same set of players(we all know who they are)flooding the front-page and keeping actually really awesome threads down the shitter, is not what the NA Boards are for.

Filters, filters would solve 90% of the bickering because people will get to enjoy the content they actuall fucking want for a change, instead of all the litter.

In regards to filters, this is something that could potentially be incorporated as a Fek feature and I would certainly think its something Tundra Fizz should hear about. He works very hard to produce a product many board goers appreciate and this is something he could probably get behind as it could work similar to the blacklist feature which blocks posts from posters whom you have deemed undesirable in terms of posted content.

Lastly, I do feel the rules are in dire need of clarification. But that's testament to the situation; we have players braking the summoners code based on game-mode(e.g. players trolling in normals just because they are normals)who can ruined game after game after game and go unpunished. We have to fix those fundamental issues first, before we can enrich the NA Boards experience.

Its tough for Riot to police these types of issues, particularly without a replay system to observe the actions of players who intentionally ruin gaming experiences for others. It wouldn't be tough to start working on some solutions to some of these types of issues, but Riot has decided to spend and allocate those resources elsewhere. Its one more questionable decision in a long line of questionable decisions, but its not really something we have a direct ability to control. Its one more thing we can merely voice our concerns about and hope that those concerns are addressed to our satisfaction. I don't know if they ever will be, but I can certainly hope that they will be. I've certainly whined about non verbal forms of toxicity on the boards for long enough that I believe the concerns should have already been addressed and since they have not been to my satisfaction or the satisfaction of many other players I let Riot know how I feel about it with my wallet. I haven't bought RP in so long I can't even remember the last time I did. I'll spend money on the game again when I feel my concerns and the concerns of many players are adequately handled and that's about the best I can do in regards to these types of issues. It'd be nice to be trolled less often in games, it happens every day, and because there is almost no consequence I have done so myself despite the fact that I know its wrong. Some things we can work on easily, some issues are more difficult to tackle. The ones easiest to tackle on the boards tend to be the ones I focus on and the ones that are tough are the reason why my wallet stays in my back pocket and that's just the way it is at the moment. I make the best of what limited options I have.

ƒoesDec 20, 20151 votes

As it stands, having 15 fucking trash reaction .gifs from the same set of players(we all know who they are)flooding the front-page and keeping actually really awesome threads down the shitter, is not what the NA Boards are for.

While I love the Memes & Games section dearly, I agree that posts like that shouldn't show up on "Hot". Typically posts you see on "Hot" are controversial and bring up a good debate, and if you haven't noticed, they have a lot of upvotes because they're topics people enjoy. However, in the Memes & Games section, it's easy to get upvotes.

ƒoesDec 20, 20151 votes

Imagine we had mods who cruised the boards as I do and when they see something that could spiral out of hand they step in and try to help resolve the issue proactively?

This is exactly what I'm begging to see happen; I would love to see volunteer moderators (much like what I mentioned) to go around and punish players who abuse their privileges on the Boards, such as flaming. Of course, there would be some issues with a few volunteer moderators abusing their power, but I'm sure systems can be put in place to prevent that from happening.

Remember, using the Boards is a privilege, not a right.

jaymc1130Dec 20, 20151 votes

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This is exactly what I'm begging to see happen; I would love to see volunteer moderators (much like what I mentioned) to go around and punish players who abuse their privileges on the Boards, such as flaming. Of course, there would be some issues with a few volunteer moderators abusing their power, but I'm sure systems can be put in place to prevent that from happening.

Remember, using the Boards is a privilege, not a right.

We would need to make sure that the culture of an online setting is preserved, so a lot of issues would in fact be judgment calls. Is the person making a joke to a friend or are they really trying to be an ass hat? Are posters simply doing a bit? Is it just sarcasm? Using context to figure out exactly what is happening in a given situation would be very important because many case wont be cut and dry "oh yeah, this guy is being a dick to this guy". Some will be, some wont, but a strong sense of judgment will be important to sift through the intricacies of a particular situation. In this case, it'd be extremely beneficial to have active community members who comprehend the scene and its goings on as well as the members they would potentially be overseeing.

TransgressorDec 20, 20153 votes

You typed the word "toxic" enough times to make it lose its purpose.

Lastly, if I wanted this kind of forums to converse, I'd move to North Korea and start talking shit about the regime, they'd treat me more liberally in the concentration camps than you're asking right here.

There are other places you can go converse where your particular moral code is enforced, the internet is infinite.

jaymc1130Dec 20, 20152 votes

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You typed the word "toxic" enough times to make it lose its purpose.

Lastly, if I wanted this kind of forums to converse, I'd move to North Korea and start talking shit about the regime, they'd treat me more liberally in the concentration camps than you're asking right here.

There are other places you can go converse where your particular moral code is enforced, the internet is infinite.

The OP has a point and it is a valid one. Particularly in some other board sections personal vendettas can get out of hand and cause disruptions for everyone. His opinions on the matter may not be shared by every single board goer, but they are worthy of being shared and discussed because this is a topic that's good for us all to have discussion on. In order to have a meaningful debate on the topic it's necessary that many diverse perspectives be offered up so that we can all discuss the merits of each accordingly. In any case the OPs contributions in this thread are purely positive in nature and thus, whatever we may think of his opinions, they are beneficial because they bring up excellent points to debate.

TwigglesDec 20, 20152 votes

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TransgressorDec 20, 20152 votes

Would your modus operandi be facilitated by what you consider "improved NA Boards moderation", people like me who give no fucks about your opinions and share their thoughts without partaking in circljekers and hypocritical fearmongering, shaming, witch hunting and generally just perpetrating hate, would get permabanned in an instant.

Thankfully, I can enjoy my ability to chat and exhange opinions while you are free to point at the "notoriously and consistently toxic NA Board-goer" unhindered. Like a good boy, go ahead and downvote everything I post, because I'm the baddy here and you're appointed by the holy overlords to smite evil with the mighty power of clicking the downvote with your mouse.

TwigglesDec 20, 20151 votes

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jaymc1130Dec 20, 20152 votes

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And chose this thread as an opportunity to instigate a situation. Inappropriate, you're both better than this. Its not fair to the OP to have your personal differences out in his thread on a legitmate topic. Refer to my previous post please and abide by the rules of the board and lets all be respectful here as we have a conversation on this topic.

TwigglesDec 20, 20151 votes

You posted this reply as I was replying to your previous reply. The post you are quoting and the one before if have since been deleted. Sorry again for starting this little quarrel.

jaymc1130Dec 20, 20152 votes

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You posted this reply as I was replying to your previous reply. The post you are quoting and the one before if have since been deleted. Sorry again for starting this little quarrel.

Its all good mate, we're all human here, we act as humans have for ages and will for ages to come. We will make mistakes, its just important we learn from them and I'm proud to see you doing so in this instance. Believe it or not this type of thing is VERY rare outside of the GD subsection, but in GD its all to frequent and can make the place intimidating. We don't all have to love one another, its fine to disagree with or dislike some one or something. Its simply important we act like adults about it here on the boards and it'd be nice if we had some improved moderation to help provide us with positive reinforcement of these ideals we all strive towards in addition to the functions they currently serve. Its merely one thing to consider in relation to moderation issues, but its a good thing to think about.

jaymc1130Dec 20, 20152 votes

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you're appointed by the holy overlords to smite evil with the mighty power of clicking the downvote with your mouse.

Guys, not the place for this type of bickering. Its ok to have different opinions, its fine to disagree with some one. What is unacceptable is to derail a thread for the sake of a personal vendetta. I know I'm responding to your post, but both you and twiggles here could stand to act like adults about the situation and be respectful of the OP's thread here. That's the appropriate action to take, you don't have to become besties, hell, you don't even have to like each other. But you should respect each other, and you should certainly respect the OP's thread enough to not derail it with a petty argument. If you have a contribution to make, make it in a positive manner so that we can all benefit from you sharing your personal viewpoint and perspective. We all stand to gain by considering each perspective presented and so eash perspective should be respected. I thank you both in advance for the maturity I am sure you will display moving forward.

TwigglesDec 20, 20152 votes

You have a point. I can't stand seeing this person and others like him flinging their muck around the boards, but I'm capable of admitting that my own bitter comment started this little spat. I just have a hard time respecting people that go out of their way to disrespect others on a regular basis.

That said, I am deleting my previous comments in this chain. I think it's clear that should Riot ever (hopefully) decide to add community moderators to the boards, you'd make a much better one than me. :)

ModUlanopoDec 20, 20153 votes

The boards moderation team does exist, it's just that most of the time no one notices them doing their work. I hit the little "report" button at the lower right of each post and it seems to get taken care of pretty quickly.

PIMPSMOOTHDec 20, 20152 votes

Upvoted b/c we share the same summoner icon.

[slayer-jinx-wink]

Samus72Jan 2, 20161 votes

Agree with Daen. It feels like the OP is asking for more VISIBLE moderation. Like a moderator locking a topic that violates the rules, noting why it was locked, and leaving it for all to see. Thus, providing visual proof that moderation exists.

I know the moderation exists because I reported a post yesterday that disappeared within a few minutes. Even my reply to it was gone. I no longer need to see it in action to know it's there. Not that I doubted it's existence in the first place. But now it's reaffirmed for me. That's probably what the OP wants too.