so... in other words... you live in a world where you don't think that taking responsability for one's actions is a thing that needs reflecting on because you'd much rather blame riot for having rules you can't bother obeying than actually obeying them

cool

My first point is that Im down to my 7th or 8th account. That should tell you something.

yeah. it tells me that arguing with you on how the world works is basically pointless

I don't see how you constantly breaking the rules means Riot is tricking you or is somehow unfair. If you've done the same thing over and over in the face of multiple warnings and sanctions, that's entirely your fault. I mean, ultimately the only reason you see this as unfair is because you're on the wrong side of the rule book.

Just effin block the words and any derivation. Cant be that hard.

Let's assume "Cat" is a banned word. It's a nice short one. Easy to filter, right?

• C A T
• C4T
• C 4 T
• C.A.T
• C.4.T
• C@T
• ©AT
• CÀT
• CÁT

...I could go on. With just that three letter word there are likely thousands of keyboard combinations that resembling it, and another thousand ways of saying the same thing without using that word specifically. It's not really possible.

Riot also did experiment with unbanning accounts -- the experiment years ago had a super high rate of bad behavior reemerge, but Riot still did another experiment recently. We don't know the results yet, but if the pattern shows that banned players are capable of reforming in sufficient numbers, there might be a change in policy. As long as the data shows that permanently banned players don't reliably reform, however, I wouldn't expect a change.

Banning permanently an account is both ineffective and robbing people. How many hours did we invest in those account and how much money did we put.

It's not robbing people. Legally it isn't because we agreed to the TOS which says we don't actually own anything on our accounts, we just 'rent them' from Riot essentially. Morally (?) it isn't because spending money shouldn't give you a free pass to act like a jerk.

Hours and time being invested doesn't change anything. At the end of the day, people broke the rules so they should lose access to the content they achieved.

My first point is that Im down to my 7th or 8th account. That should tell you something.

It tells me that you're not able to abide by the rules and now you're trying to make the system seem at fault instead of taking responsibility for your actions. Sorry to be so blunt, but after a certain point you have to take responsibility for your actions and say "Hey, maybe I am being too much of a jerk"

Why no just ban those words. Forever. Freedom isnt a good reason because Riot is certainly taking that away by banning the account. Just effin block the words and any derivation. Cant be that hard.

People will always find a way to flame, there's only so much Riot can do. If they get very strict with the system, innocent players can get punished and it impedes on their account health. If they become too lenient, flamers and griefers run rampant.

Banning "fuck" doesn't stop me from saying "you're freaking trash, uninstall" or:

"you're f.ucking trash" "you're fking trash" "you're fvcking trash"

See what I'm getting at?

Im still getting banned. Imagine if I couldnt use any bitching... I wouldnt even bother xD

That sounds like a personal issue. If you can't enjoy a game or get your point across without swearing or flaming indiscriminately, Riot isn't at fault for that and they've made it clear they don't want that behavior in their game.

But our accounts shouldnt be banned forever. The YEARSSSSSSSSSS and the amount of stuff I have on my very first account are "!lost forever"? I dont see any reason to behave because my main "loot" is gone foever.

It should make you look at yourself and say:

"Hey, why was I punished? I guess my behavior wasn't acceptable and if I want to keep playing the game, my summoner name, and all of my acquired loot, I need to change my act."

Whether or not you can actually do that isn't Riot's responsibility. A line has to be drawn somewhere.

But, on the other hand, if you did like CS 1.6 did back in the days, when someone got caught hacking, account would get banned for 1 year. HELL YES if had access back to my main and first stuff now after being banned for so long I wouldnt want to lose it again.

Not sure how Counter-Strike compares to this. Steam bans the account that's linked to the ID, meaning you have to purchase the game again just to cheat or wait an entire year just to get banned again.

You most likely had multiple chances on your main account before it got permanently banned and you had access to information surrounding the punishment ladder. Why not just take action then instead of taking issue now?

The things the way they are right now, If I get banned well screw it, ill just get stuck with an other small account, sucks but hey no real reason not to bitch at those noobs since im stuck with them for 3 months.

This train of thought is so backwards. If you're complaining about being "stuck with another account" or being "stuck with noobs"

Just stop getting your accounts banned?

That's one reason right there. You have to level an account up to level 30 which takes time, risk getting punished and losing that effort along the way, and lose any content you may have unlocked along the way such as skins or icons. 3 solid reasons for changing your behavior.

I know my attitude is the problem

Yes.

For what it's worth -

I do think that players should have the ability to appeal a permanent ban (in my mind it should be called an "indefinite ban") if they show massive, consistent reform.

I'd like to see something along the lines of:

"If your account has been indefinitely suspended, there is only one way to recover it. Through consistent, positive action on a new account it will be possible to repent for your actions so long as the following conditions are met."

• The account must be level 30 or above in addition to having 500+ games played on it.

• The account must reach Honor 3, 4, or 5 and hold that level for the duration listed above.

• Afterwards, an appeal can be filed displaying evidence of your reform. **Accounts banned for zero tolerance phrases (such as racism, homophobia, or other derogatory language) are not eligible for this program. **

I choose option 3. "Learn to control yourself".

Riot isn't the first nor last game, especially free to play, that will punish you by taking the stuff away. Regardless of whether you put money into the account along with time.

As for "why not remove?" well, there is a problem with that. Many ways to try to bypass with special characters, foreign language, or combination of letters/symbols. On top of potentially blocking wrong phrases. Examples: assassin getting blocked because ass ass. Another is Tor%%%% because of the last 4 letters. Someone had to change their name because they were "Negro Knight" does that mean we can't use spanish for black for anything? This is a problem for filter systems.

Getting accounts back? I would be willing to agree to maybe changing the ban to a 10-15 year ban. At that point you'll probably forget about it and move on though.

Banning permanently an account is both ineffective and robbing people. How many hours did we invest in those account and how much money did we put. I know i have over 100$ spread out on 2 accounts and I also know someone thats has over 1000$ spent on his.

Robbing people? Nope. Its written right in the TOU that you agreed to when signing up for the game that nothing is yours, it all still belongs to Riot and you are just borrowing it as you play the game. So, if you get banned they took nothing from you.

And I for one have spent somewhere around $10,000 in the 7 years I've been playing and haven't had any issues. So.

Stay B&

robbing people

You lost something for willfully violating an agreement that clearly said you A: dont own anything on your account, and B: will lose access to it if you break the agreement? Welcome to life, riot is providing a service, not a fundamental right.

Also, if you want an example of how chat filters dont work at all, look at R6 seige.

My first point is that Im down to my 7th or 8th account.

You should have taken the hint after the bartender bounced your ass the first time.

Sometimes you have to fire the customer if they're too disruptive to your other patrons. Banning those who can't reform is very effective for those of us who know how to behave, have fun, and not rageflame our teams 24/7.

It's RIOT's business plan...since Tencent owns them and various other large titles. Tencent can force every game they own to ban for "speech" when there are plenty of tools ALREADY in place to mute or not read "bad words ". In effect they are committing large scale fraud. As you pointed out you paid $100 you will likely come back to their game and pay more money even though you have already been defrauded. If not and you choose to play another game you may inadvertently pick another one of their titles and repeat the cycle of paying for an item that doesn't exist nor hold actual value. Then the day comes in that game you might say "bad words" etc...and their "AI/Algorithm" picks you out.... and BANNED .....CA-CHING!!! MORE FREE CASH FOR THEM! Until people start to realize this is a business model and see that censorship is also a bad thing, expect to be taken advantage of. You don't become a $140 BILLION Company (Tencent) playing by the rules.

I control myself(I don’t have a banned account) but I’m finding it hard as of late. It just sucks when people ruin your game, flame everyone, won’t surrender and you have to take it. No situation in the real world is that ok. You can’t afk cause that ruins everyone’s game, you can’t respond. Just report to a faceless company, there’s no satisfaction, just abuse.

I think perma ban is fine for the really really offensive stuff like encouraging suicide or n-word. But I do think it's complete fraud that they can let you spend money on their game and then permanently ban you for being toxic. They should be forced to refund you the money. Let me be clear. The banning part is fine. The keeping the money you spent on their game is not. I think it's shady af and there needs to be more legislation for gaming transactions in general.

Agreed. Taking away someone's time and money spent by perma banning them just because of what they type in chat will never be justified

I agree with you 100% Mara, I don't feel this is fair at ALL.

Back in my day, it wasn't as easy to get banned. In the board-game era you could only be thrown out of coffee shops & restaurants. You could always set up elsewhere.

Banning permanently an account is both ineffective and robbing people.

Have you ever read the ToS? I suggest you read it.

Also option 3. perma ban the toxic players who make league the playground it is for racists and trolls.

You've wasted your time making 8 different accounts. I kinda feel sorry for you.

Option 3: ignore loaded (& therefore useless) poll.

Banning permanently an account is both ineffective and robbing people.

Banning permanently is effective to the playerbase. It makes games more enjoyable in sense that the problem people are being get rid of. Also you don't own anything you buy on your account, you are essentially just given a licence to use the skin on your account. Read the ToS.

My first point is that Im down to my 7th or 8th account. That should tell you something.

That should tell you something rather. You are the issue, not Riot, and not others. I've played this game since the end of Season 1 and guess how many punishments I've had over the years? Zero.

If words hurt the community so much ( and I agree, im not trying to excuse my actions) Why no just ban those words.

People can work around using certain words. It's not about the words even, it's about behavior. You can be toxic without using toxic words.

So basically I feel like Riot has been incompetent in managing the issues and are trying to rob us and trick us in rebuying the stuff we had

Permabanning isn't meant for you to start all over, it's meant to kick you out of the game. Riot doesn't want toxic people to play their game, and permaban is meant to stop them playing, rather than continue playing. You already are warned multiple times about your behavior, and even warned that the next offence is a permaban, so there is no real excuse to keep behaving badly.

I know my attitude is the problem

Then do something about it.

If you are gonna invest lots of time and money into this game, then don't say or do stuff that warrants a ban against you. 9 times out of 10 most bans come from the player themselves because they ignored the rules. And when they get punished, they come her complaining that their ban was false and unfair when the logs say otherwise. Take responsibility for your actions and deal with it.