Why are people allowed to ban your intended pick

Sir Slops·2/5/2018, 5:37:23 PM·8 votes·3,485 views

Is there any reason why they cant just make it so it is impossible to ban something that someone intends to play. I have never seen a situation where someone banning a persons intended champion didn't end up creating the most toxic game imaginable. It always ends up being someone just outright dodges or the person who got their champion banned afk, feeds, or just trolls the person who banned it all game long. The whole thing seems so easily avoidable. Why even have pick intent when sometimes people are gonna be dicks anyway.

45 Comments

Friendly Ram2/5/2018, 5:56:18 PM7 votes

Everyone is entitled to ban whoever they don't want to see.

Jo0o2/5/2018, 5:45:47 PM6 votes

It's a dumb situation, I agree.

The justification is that, if there's a hugely contested pick in the meta, and one of your last picks on the team wants to play it, you may be better off banning the champ rather than letting the other team have first dibs on it.

But yes, in my experience, it leads to a toxic atmosphere or a dodge more often than being a simple strategic disadvantage. I wish Riot would rethink the priorities of how picks vs. bans work.

I even had a game a couple weeks ago where a guy on my team lamented that we banned Yasuo, despite not hovering it. He avoided hovering it because he didn't want somebody to ban it out of spite. The entire system of hovering your intent in order to better communicate with your team in champ select is undermined by letting people ban your intent.

LechintanTudor2/5/2018, 7:29:56 PM3 votes

How to beat the system: during baning phase click on the champion you intend to play and your teammates won't be able to ban it. In the last 3 seconds or after everyone locked their bans, swap to the champion you want to ban and ban it. Enjoy your intended champion.

Timethief492/5/2018, 5:45:29 PM3 votes

Oh we are redside and lastpick hovers a champ with insane winrate that is guaranteed to be firstpicked by the enemy. Better leave it open.

Warios2/5/2018, 6:00:52 PM3 votes

Last month, we had first pick, Mid. Player hovered Zoe, when it came time to pick, they picked something else.

Chat turned toxic and went down hill from there after the other team grabbed Zoe, and someone complained the only reason they didn't ban Zoe, was because our first pick hovered her.

Interesting game for the next 25 min to say the least.

Ginsanchou2/5/2018, 8:09:23 PM3 votes

What if you are playing off-meta and the dude just wants to spite you?

BlakexEkalb2/5/2018, 8:32:42 PM3 votes

This would be stupid. If someone on my team wants to play Zoe and they are the VERY LAST PICK, im not going to risk that disgusting champion getting grabbed by the other team. You could say "Oh first pick me Zoe!" but not everyone wants to go through that process/some don't own the champion. This also helps with troll picks, I don't want a Zed ADC. Also, if you're one of those people who trolls if their pick is ban then you're pretty dumb.

TheProfezzor2/5/2018, 11:57:19 PM3 votes

It is avoidable. Don’t show your pick.

Sukishoo2/5/2018, 8:31:16 PM2 votes

If you're not the first pick and it's a currently OP champ, it's gonna get banned.

Metathesio2/5/2018, 9:06:57 PM2 votes

Agreed.

Kattzy2/5/2018, 7:34:08 PM2 votes

Completely agree. Honestly, so many of my losses (and negative experiences overall) are due to flaming/toxicity/ragequitting that I think it's definitely worth it to not immediately piss off a teammate in champ select.

Related: If last pick on your team wants to pick a highly desirable champ, just have the first pick on your team grab it for them and switch. I suppose some people will argue that not everyone has all champs, but in many cases, this should be a viable solution (rather than essentially trolling your own teammate).

Escheton2/5/2018, 8:19:01 PM2 votes

I neither want to play with, or against Vayne. I am a player that prefers tanky supportive champions. -Enemy Vayne shreds me disallowing me to play the game. -Ally Vayne is impossible to play with because she either decides to farm a sidelane when we are teamfighting or she 1v5's midlane and complains about lack of peel when noone was near enough to get there in time even if they ghosted.

Hence I ban Vayne. Even if you hover her.

ExaggeratedToast2/6/2018, 6:25:03 AM1 votes
  • first idea is a ban of 1-5 champions you could possible pick for your lane/role plus 5 more possible counter bans, with 139 champions on league that only can drop your champion pool down to 129 champions, assuming you wouldn't queue into a role you only own 1 champion for that gives you plenty of wiggle room to just pick a new champion

  • strategy bans and picks, it's only natural to ban champs that can easily counter you and banning high win rate op champions is part of that strategy so unless someone is going to first pick or risk it for biscuits on a second pick, it's not toxic to remove that champion from the equation, and as previously stated you still should have a few other picks.

  • the lesser obvious argument for banning hover champs is just to many priority picks, if your team is hovering multiple top tier champions atm, you gotta make a choice between being greedy to try and get them all risking giving them up to the enemy or to simply ban out one of more of those hovered picks (personal example: i have lost my pick to the enemy do to the fact i first picked Vayne for our team, forcing me to change my champion of choice (which was limited by who my teammate has on his roster), forcing an awkward pick from me)

The only bullet point i can think for locking a champ as unbannable is true "first pick", it's the first champion selected from either team and as long as it isn't banned it is guaranteed to be selected....... except if that person decides not to lock that champion anymore for some reason, which could then allow it to be selected by the enemy, which could be tilting to your own team because it was locked out of being bannable. which allows the ability to troll your team in a way. now if you extend that lockout ability to 4 other people, you can essentially unlock a new method of trolling..... getting the picture? a personal example could be 3 months ago i didn't know how to play zed, i finally decided to play him and i'm decent at him, but the biggest lesson i have from playing zed is i know how he plays now and i no longer ban zed, ever. i once viewed him as a must ban and now i view him as a wasted ban. i could theoretically hover him to prevent a ban i'm not scared of and then select a new champion after the matter, trolling my teammates and frustrating them if he gets picked on the other side. Yet another argument can be made against this is to just locking a hovered pick and forcing that pick, but this completely undermines and is counter intuitive to the ban/pick process that is meant to be a staple part of ranked which is picking and playing champions against your enemy comp. as picks play out, so this is not a solution either

TL:DR the system works fine, people should have plenty of other options if their hover does get banned and people should always be mindful of how unfavorable a champion is to play against so be untiltable if your teammates simply ban it out.

The best we can do is report those becoming toxic over the matter and hope the fields of justice can stay clean of such negative player interactions

3K Zero5/3/2019, 9:26:38 PM1 votes

I 100% AGREE WITH THIS. Seriously, it's becoming a constant issue now and i don't know why???? i intend to pick a reasonable champ for my lane, haven't said anything, and for some reason somebody on my team bans whatever i intend to play. There is literally no reason at all. Something needs to be done about it.

Telephone Booth5/4/2019, 3:48:16 AM1 votes

At least just have a little pop up requiring you to confirm your ban. Like "An ally has intended to pick this champion. Are you sure you want to ban?" And they have to click yes or cancel. It will at least stop the accidental bans... something ive done before to a teammate. Oops :/

Pika Fox5/4/2019, 2:18:23 PM1 votes

The reason is because you could ban the opponent from getting it. The reality is ive only ever seen this done to either target your team member for whatever reason (which is strictly against the rules, but easily hideable), or on accident (ive accidentally banned picks because theyre ones i normally ban and not notice a late intended pick).

Best Ekko NA5/4/2019, 4:09:17 AM1 votes

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/mu1TYIEu-how-to-improve-general-quality-of-legaue-of-legends

I already posted an easy solution to this --

Basically they need to let players pick their champion and ban selection in the screen where you invite teammates and create your party. Setting your Runes, Summoner Spells, Champion, and Ban before you queue up is much more logical and clean than the current method that they have now where each team takes turns picking and banning.

My idea is much faster (no waiting around on someone to pick a champion, no dodges, etc), allows for less mistakes (like a Jungle forgetting Smite or someone picking the wrong Summoner Spells or Runes in general), removes the ability for someone to troll you by banning your champion, and guarantees that each player will ALWAYS get their desired champion. No one will have to play against the champion they don't want to be matched against either.

Everyone is happy, everything is faster, the game gets 100 times better.

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