Boards›Player Behavior

Riot's braindead ban system

oMehzinyy·1/6/2019, 7:54:09 PM·18 votes·8,795 views

I've had it up to here with this utterly braindead system. It is so stupid and one of the main reasons I consider quitting this game altogether. I've been playing this game since season 3, and it has never been more frustrating, monotonous, and boring than right now. I actually like this game, but because of this system, and their balance team, I really consider just quitting. I am diamond 4 on EUNE. I know, according to most people, pretty bad, but I feel I have some ground to talk. I've gotten a 2 week ban on my main and just recently got a 10 game chat restriction.

My problem with the system : Banning people for trashtalking Very unclear on what's bannable Not banning people that intentionally feed/afk Punishing people that try their hardest in ranked and get frustrated because people in their team either underperform or just don't try

Banning people for trashtalking I don't have a clue why this is a thing. I understand when people go overboard and just flame the sh't out of their team, but a lot of bans isn't that. When you get paired up with 4 delusional dumba'ses that aren't trying and keep blaming someone else for their misstakes, it should be acceptable to call them f'cking dumb'sses. Atleast, if I acted like they did, I would realize that they have a reason to flame me, and I would accept it. But no, the slightest flame can get you banned. If you write "kys" or "f'ggot" and get reported, that's a guarranteed 2 week ban. Most people that I've personally seen believe that these phrases have been overused to the point that they are barely even offensive a lot of people, including me. That brings me on to my next point. The people that play this game can take some hate, and If they can't they shouldn't play it because no matter how good the ban system is, they will face some people that will flame them without being punished. Also, there is a mute button for a reason. Why do you get banned for something that the player can just ignore by pressing one button.

Very unclear on what's bannable I'm gonna portray myself as a dumb*ss after saying this but, I haven't read the terms of service. Even though I haven't read them, I know for a fact that people get banned for minor things, meanwhile some people that say stuff that is worse walks away with no repercussions. For example, the reason I got my 2 week ban was because I called a guy a spastic. As far as I can remember, I didn't say much else. I have said a lot of worse stuff in games and gotten reported but never banned for it. Sometimes it feels like they just ban you for anything and sometimes it feels like you can't get banned no matter how hard you flame.

Not banning people that intentionally feed/afk I know some get banned, but it's not enough. A lot of players just straight up ruin the game for no reason and they barely get punished, meanwhile the people that trashtalk the idiots get banned. it's so stupid. You can mute a flamer but you can't do anything about a troller. The 2 week ban I got was because I flamed an literal inter. I don't think what I said was justified infact I deserved the ban, but I shouldn't be punished for being frustrated on someone that ruins a competitive game. It's like riot doesn't play the game. In my opinion, flaming shouldn't even be bannable if intentionally feeding isn't. Because right now players just run it down mid when they get angry and they know that nothing will happen. I've reported so many literal inters and none of them get banned.

Punishing people that try their hardest in ranked and get frustrated because people in their team either underperform or just don't try People get frustrated. One bad teammate can lose you the game, and a lot of games you will lose just because of your teammates. It's natural that people get mad when they want to win but their team is holding them back. It's competitive. So why do you get punished when you try your hardest and play well and talk sh*t to people on your team that aren't even trying or heavily underperforming. It's obvious that people get angry, I don't get why that is bannable.

Before you get it all wrong, I've played thousands of games and it's only been a few games where I've absolutely lost it and flamed the sh't out of my team. Surprisingly, none of those games I got punished for it. I don't flame a lot. I do talk sh't when someone is delusional and stupid. But generally I'm not a d*ckhead.

In conclusion. You probably think I'm salty because I've just recently been chat restricted. And that's partly true, but even when I wasn't banned I've still thought that the system is stupid. My friends agree with me, even players that haven't gotten banned. I'm just tired of being shafted for talking sh*t whilst players just troll and don't get punished.

I will post a poll too just for fun to see if you agree or disagree with me. Edit, before you vote read the actual post don't just vote against me because you assume something, otherwise your vote is pointless

85 Comments

Umbral Regent1/6/2019, 8:40:48 PM31 votes

Banning people for trashtalking I don't have a clue why this is a thing. I understand when people go overboard and just flame the sh't out of their team, but a lot of bans isn't that. When you get paired up with 4 delusional dumba'ses that aren't trying and keep blaming someone else for their misstakes, it should be acceptable to call them f'cking dumb'sses. Atleast, if I acted like they did, I would realize that they have a reason to flame me, and I would accept it. But no, the slightest flame can get you banned.

So...Wait a minute. You're saying that it's understandable to issue bans for flaming...But then try to rationalize flaming.

On top of that, the title of this section is a misnomer. You say "trash talking", but really, you're talking about flaming. Trash talking (competitive BM'ing, putting it in lighter terms), is not calling your teammates "fucking dumbasses". Trash talking is making jabs at mistakes - failed flashes, towerdives, etc. - and an important thing to note:

Competitive BM'ing is directed at the ENEMY team, not YOURS.

So, no, it should not be, and thankfully IS NOT acceptable to call your teammates "fucking dumbasses". There's no valid reason to flame, period, and that fact does not make the system worse, despite what you may think.

If you write "kys" or "%%%%%%" and get reported, that's a guarranteed 2 week ban. Most people that play league know that these phrases have been overused to the point that they are barely even offensive a lot of people, including me.

I censored the quote for the reason of you attempting to bypass the hate speech filter.

That aside, your claim is suspect at best, and even if it is true, that doesn't change that Riot doesn't want hate speech or encouragements of self-harm in their game. It doesn't matter if everyone in the world thinks those insults are a joke - Riot does not want it in their game.

There's no justification for using hate speech, and ABSOLUTELY no justification for telling someone to KILL THEMSELVES OVER A VIDEOGAME.

I'm normally one to avoid using caps, even for emphasis, but this is a case where I really gotta make it abundantly clear.

That brings me on to my next point. The people that play this game can take some hate, and If they can't they shouldn't play it because no matter how good the ban system is, they will face some people that will flame them without being punished.

No. N-O, no. That's not even close to a point, and even if it were, it's not a valid point.

For one, those players who "don't get punished", that's not some universal certainty, and you're forgetting to add "yet". If they keep up their misbehavior, it doesn't matter how sly they are, they will get punished.

And beyond that, being able to take flame and hate is not and should not be a prerequisite to playing an online game. And there's no way in hell you'll be able to argue that.

Also, there is a mute button for a reason. Why do you get banned for something that the player can just ignore by pressing one button.

There is a mute button for a reason. And also a report button. I don't see why so many people rely on this borderline comically fallacious argument.

Why do people think that the mute button magically supercedes the rules of the game that tell you you're not allowed to flame? The mute feature is a short term, REACTIONARY defense tool. It's not a cure-all to flame, and it sure as hell isn't a valid excuse to allow flame, either. It can only be used within the context of a given match, and unless you're a psychic, you're virtually never going to be able to use it to prevent flame from reaching you.

Which means you can only use it AFTER you've already been flamed, so as to keep the rest of the damage from happening. It doesn't prevent the damage, it just stops shit from getting worse.

And again: It's not an excuse to break the rules. You're not allowed to flame, period, and no amount of defensive tools are going to change the rules.

Very unclear on what's bannable I'm gonna portray myself as a dumb*ss after saying this but, I haven't read the terms of service. Even though I haven't read them, I know for a fact that people get banned for minor things, meanwhile some people that say stuff that is worse walks away with no repercussions. For example, the reason I got my 2 week ban was because I called a guy a spastic. As far as I can remember, I didn't say much else. I have said a lot of worse stuff in games and gotten reported but never banned for it. Sometimes it feels like they just ban you for anything and sometimes it feels like you can't get banned no matter how hard you flame.

There are a variety of reasons you may not have gotten banned for other behaviors, probably one of the foremost being you may not have actually gotten reported.

And, you can claim that people get banned for "minor things", but it's consistent misbehavior that compounds on itself. If they can't be bothered to play by the rules, then Riot can't be bothered to have them playing at all. As for the rules, they're less vague than you think. I'm gonna paraphrase the ToU Section 5 here:

You are not allowed to:

I - Impersonate any person, business, or entity, especially not Riot employees II - Post identifying information about yourself or other players III - Harass, stalk, or threaten players IV - Remove, alter, or hide trademarks/other stuff from Riot content, or transmit content that similarly violates the rights of others (copyrights, trade secrets, publicity, etc.) V - Transmit offensive content, which can include offensive, vulgar, sexually explicit, racially, ethically, otherwise objectionable; etc. VI - Transmit viruses/malicious programs VII - Spam chat VIII - Defraud players, like scamming/social engineering, etc. IX - Use unauthorized 3rd-party software - bots, scripts, hacks, etc. X - Access (or attempt to access) non-public areas of the game XI - Making a Summoner name that breaks rules I or V - intentional mispellings included. XII - Leaving a game-in-progress before the Nexus explodes XIII - Playing on another person's account to boost their account status/rank (playing on another player's account in general) XIV - Encouraging others to violate any of the aforementioned rules

Now, tell me, is that still "unclear"?

Not banning people that intentionally feed/afk I know some get banned, but it's not enough.

You killed this argument within the first sentence. They do ban feeders, it's just difficult to catch some of them.

In my opinion, flaming shouldn't even be bannable if intentionally feeding isn't.

Well, guess what? Intentionally feeding is bannable. It earns a 14-day ban on the first offense.

Now what?

Punishing people that try their hardest in ranked and get frustrated because people in their team either underperform or just don't try People get frustrated. One bad teammate can lose you the game, and a lot of games you will lose just because of your teammates. It's natural that people get mad when they want to win but their team is holding them back. It's competitive. So why do you get punished when you try your hardest and play well and talk sh*t to people on your team that aren't even trying or heavily underperforming. It's obvious that people get angry, I don't get why that is bannable.

Again; You're using "trash talk" when you mean "flame". Trash-talking is directed to the enemy, and it's not point-blank insults.

They're allowed to be frustrated, but they're not allowed to let that frustration turn to flaming their teammates. Flaming your teammates isn't gonna magically make them perform better, and fun fact: A majority of the time, the only thing holding a player back from climbing is their own ability. Not other players.

And again, I can't say this enough: It's fine to be angry, it's NOT fine to flame.

World peace plz1/6/2019, 7:56:50 PM22 votes

I stopt reading afther the i got a 2 week ban. Cause you cant behave yourself the system has to change.NO. Its you who need to change and if you cant look for another game. Stop blame riot for it ffs.

rujitra1/6/2019, 8:39:29 PM12 votes

It isn't unclear at all. Each new summoner is presented with the Summoner's Code which makes pretty damn clear what behavior is unacceptable.

You also don't normally get punished for "one game" unless the behavior is extremely bad. One bad or frustrating game won't get you punished. There are millions of players and I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who hasn't ever said anything toxic at all. But there are many players who it is truly a "bad game" when it happens.

On the contrary, the reason people end up with two week or permanent bans is because their "bad games" are either way too frequent, or the behavior is too extreme to be considered a "oops".

Dr40UR1/7/2019, 12:08:50 AM9 votes

{quoted} If you write "kys" or "f'ggot" and get reported, that's a guarranteed 2 week ban. Most people that I've personally seen believe that these phrases have been overused to the point that they are barely even offensive a lot of people, including me.

As someone who is extremely desensitized to words, that doesn't excuse using them in any kind of public setting. Just because YOU'RE desensitized to those words, doesn't mean the stranger behind the screen isn't. What happens when you tell someone who has suicidal tendencies to kill themselves after they just got off work and wanted to relax playing a game? What if someone who was in the closet about their sexuality and afraid to come out due to abusive, gay-hating parents logs on to League and you call them a word they're terrified of?

Now, let's give a quick example, shall we? Say you get in line at a store. The clerk and the customer are arguing. The customer suddenly yells "You fucking %%%%%%! Kill yourself! I can't believe you're such a dumbass!" The clerk is crying, and someone asks you what you thought about that. Are you going to respond "Oh, who cares. People should be desensitized to those words. It doesn't matter at all. It should be OKAY to talk to people like that. That clerk obviously did something wrong."

Do you think that's acceptable social behavior, and how people should act? If you say no, then why would you act that way towards other people on the game? I get that it's easier when there isn't a face in front of you, or someone that could react violently to your words in front of you. But seriously, try thinking of that the next time you want to flame someone and call them offensive words. Think of the fact that you're not talking to a champion, you're not talking to a screen, you're not talking to a computer. You're talking to a human being.

Wook Kong1/7/2019, 1:14:14 AM7 votes

Well suicide and sexuality are very sensitive topics. People are not desensitized to slurs. You are making a statement with no evidence.

There is literally no reason to make fun of an internet stranger trying to enjoy a VIDEO GAME. Yes lack of skill in ranked can be frustrating, but it's nothing to get mad about. Take the loss, and keep it moving. Lol seems like you are a toxic player that needs to chill out.

Xidphel1/6/2019, 8:06:18 PM6 votes

Most people that play league know that I've personally seen believe that these phrases have been overused to the point that they are barely even offensive a lot of people, including me.

FTFY

Sarutobi1/6/2019, 8:40:29 PM5 votes

I mean you really contradict yourself in a lot of what you say. Even in the replies here, you keep flip flopping what you say.

  1. Trash Talking is against the rules for just about every type of service that has some form of chat. This has been common since the dawn of the internet. Not only that you have no clue who/what the other person on the other side is dealing with. Maybe they did think you could take down that enemy, or get an objective (in terms of this game) But you felt the need to belittle a person over one little mistake? That makes no sense, nor does it help you improve your chances of winning. So why bother? Why cant you do other means of lashing out at people? Yell at the computer, punch a pillow, why do you NEED (keyword) to trash talk?

2.The main reason why it is vague when it comes to punishment is because people will (not might) try to abuse the system. Riot is already known for taking their time with punishing people, so why would we want them to waste even more time when people abuse the system by claiming they didn't really mean to say something, or whatever they might have done to break the rules. Since they keep it vague (again as does basically every other platform) they can keep it at bay.

  1. Again with the contradiction. So they either don't ban people, or they do. But Yes, people do get punished for trolling/feeding games. Can it be better? Of course. But sadly since this is a HUGE problem (not only with this game, but basically every other type of competitive game in existence) its really hard to combat. Mainly because people will always try to abuse the system. People will always try to be the victim just to get the upper hand. Your suggestion doesn't even make sense. You claim that you didn't deserve the ban, but that the punishment was unfair. And it was all because someone inted in your game. So you are basically saying you should have every right to flame because one person inted in your game? What's stopping from someone lying about you ruining the game for them, thus making you look like the bad guy? There are so many variables that something like this just doesn't work. Hence the phrase "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind". Its not helping solve the problem when one person breaks the rules means you have the right to break the rules as well. Hence why we have rules. some type of justice needs to be followed when someone breaks the rules.

  2. While yes people get frustrated, there has to be some type of self control you need to have (especially if you are an adult). Everyone gets mad, but its up to you how you deal with it. People take breaks, yell at their computer. Everyone has their own means to vent it out that doesn't break the rules Riot has set. So why can these people act mature about this, but people like you cant? Why cant you follow the rules despite getting frustrated? If others can do it, you should have no problem following suit.

All in all, while you claim it not to be, Yes this is mainly because you got punished. This is what happens when people get punished for breaking any kind of rules (not only with this game, but in life as well) you see people who get arrested, only start to bawl out crying, and asking for forgiveness because they got caught. This is the same concept. You are really only saying this because you got caught. Why? Because if you actually believe what you say you would be trying to make the change. You would be helping make this a better place.

The sad thing is, Riot cannot do this alone. With how bad this has gotten we need everyone to help. But because of how divided we are, its probably never going to happen. People like you feel like they need to take justice into their own hands, and that doesn't work with this kind of society. But we have ways. We can brainstorm, or think up ways to help Riot make a better system. That cannot happen, because people like you feel like they should be able to break the rules, because someone started it first. its such a childish mentality and doesn't help solve the problem.

jv2Io3hMu91/7/2019, 12:46:01 AM3 votes

{quoted}

I've had it up to here with this utterly braindead system. It is so stupid and one of the main reasons I consider quitting this game altogether. I've been playing this game since season 3, and it has never been more frustrating, monotonous, and boring than right now. I actually like this game, but because of this system, and their balance team, I really consider just quitting. I am diamond 4 on EUNE. I know, according to most people, pretty bad, but I feel I have some ground to talk. I've gotten a 2 week ban on my main and just recently got a 10 game chat restriction.

My problem with the system : Banning people for trashtalking Very unclear on what's bannable Not banning people that intentionally feed/afk Punishing people that try their hardest in ranked and get frustrated because people in their team either underperform or just don't try

Banning people for trashtalking I don't have a clue why this is a thing. I understand when people go overboard and just flame the sh't out of their team, but a lot of bans isn't that. When you get paired up with 4 delusional dumba'ses that aren't trying and keep blaming someone else for their misstakes, it should be acceptable to call them f'cking dumb'sses. Atleast, if I acted like they did, I would realize that they have a reason to flame me, and I would accept it. But no, the slightest flame can get you banned. If you write "kys" or "f'ggot" and get reported, that's a guarranteed 2 week ban. Most people that I've personally seen believe that these phrases have been overused to the point that they are barely even offensive a lot of people, including me. That brings me on to my next point. The people that play this game can take some hate, and If they can't they shouldn't play it because no matter how good the ban system is, they will face some people that will flame them without being punished. Also, there is a mute button for a reason. Why do you get banned for something that the player can just ignore by pressing one button.

Very unclear on what's bannable I'm gonna portray myself as a dumb*ss after saying this but, I haven't read the terms of service. Even though I haven't read them, I know for a fact that people get banned for minor things, meanwhile some people that say stuff that is worse walks away with no repercussions. For example, the reason I got my 2 week ban was because I called a guy a spastic. As far as I can remember, I didn't say much else. I have said a lot of worse stuff in games and gotten reported but never banned for it. Sometimes it feels like they just ban you for anything and sometimes it feels like you can't get banned no matter how hard you flame.

Not banning people that intentionally feed/afk I know some get banned, but it's not enough. A lot of players just straight up ruin the game for no reason and they barely get punished, meanwhile the people that trashtalk the idiots get banned. it's so stupid. You can mute a flamer but you can't do anything about a troller. The 2 week ban I got was because I flamed an literal inter. I don't think what I said was justified infact I deserved the ban, but I shouldn't be punished for being frustrated on someone that ruins a competitive game. It's like riot doesn't play the game. In my opinion, flaming shouldn't even be bannable if intentionally feeding isn't. Because right now players just run it down mid when they get angry and they know that nothing will happen. I've reported so many literal inters and none of them get banned.

Punishing people that try their hardest in ranked and get frustrated because people in their team either underperform or just don't try People get frustrated. One bad teammate can lose you the game, and a lot of games you will lose just because of your teammates. It's natural that people get mad when they want to win but their team is holding them back. It's competitive. So why do you get punished when you try your hardest and play well and talk sh*t to people on your team that aren't even trying or heavily underperforming. It's obvious that people get angry, I don't get why that is bannable.

Before you get it all wrong, I've played thousands of games and it's only been a few games where I've absolutely lost it and flamed the sh't out of my team. Surprisingly, none of those games I got punished for it. I don't flame a lot. I do talk sh't when someone is delusional and stupid. But generally I'm not a d*ckhead.

In conclusion. You probably think I'm salty because I've just recently been chat restricted. And that's partly true, but even when I wasn't banned I've still thought that the system is stupid. My friends agree with me, even players that haven't gotten banned. I'm just tired of being shafted for talking sh*t whilst players just troll and don't get punished.

I will post a poll too just for fun to see if you agree or disagree with me. Edit, before you vote read the actual post don't just vote against me because you assume something, otherwise your vote is pointless

I actually agree completely. I hate afk's.

Trundler1/7/2019, 1:52:18 AM3 votes

Honestly, I wish Riot was quicker to take action on the kind of language you reference in the OP. Getting mad at teammates happens, but it's no reason to spread and perpetuate bigotry.

Okaminochi131/7/2019, 9:32:23 AM3 votes

I'm not perfect by any means, and I've gotten annoyed with players who performed worse than I did or didn't seem to know things that are elementary to me, but then I remembered that those are people, like me, and I was once that bad, not too long ago, and back then I hoped someone better would understand what it feels like to be new and ignorant in a VERY complicated, constantly changing environment with many moving parts. It's easy to forget that we all start somewhere when we're no longer on that bottom rung. Yes, it's annoying sometimes. Yes, we've probably all had those "bads" on our teams. But wouldn't the more productive thing be to help them however we can? If the "goods" teach the "bads" whenever possible instead of just throwing random insults, wouldn't that provide infinite potential for improvement within the community? It may be wishful thinking, but dreamers have the ability to shape the world around them.

I guess my point is, if you hate flame, don't add fuel to it. Be the change you want to see. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs] Damn, I sound like a motivational seminar.

Glaricion1/7/2019, 6:17:59 PM2 votes

Trashtalk is permitted, though only safe when using lighter language or nuking people (emotes).

What you are talking about is flaming and tilting, which falls under report options such as 'helping the enemy team' or 'negative attitude'.

Kei1431/7/2019, 12:17:43 AM2 votes

Let's have you understand the behavioral system a bit more. Think of it like a health bar (or tension meter) in music games. When you hit the note at an off beat, your tension meter increases. When you completely miss a note, the meter increases by alot. When you hit the note at perfect timings, it reduces the meter.

Riot's behavior system works the same way, as in we all have a toxicity meter attached to our accounts. When players are mildly toxic, it goes up a tad. When people use hate speech, it pretty much fills up the meter.

This is why you sometimes feel it is impossible to get chat restricted, or it would just take one minor case to get punished.

In regards to how you think someone gets punished with minor toxicity, and another player with way more toxic speech doesn't get punished. It is possible for playerA to get punished and playerB not to, even though playerB was waaayyyyy more toxic . Let's say playerA started the game with the toxicity meter at 95% and playerB's at 35%. Ingame, playerB said some pretty nasty shit and playerA responds with some shit as well. After the game, playerA gains 10% toxicity and playerB gains 50%. Now playerA is at 105% toxicity and gets punished, whereas playerB is at 85%, and not punished in that specific game, even though playerB was found to be 5x more toxic than playerA in that game.

The main problem with the behavioral system is not that it is stupid, it is because it lacks transparency and Clarity and people don't really understand how it works. So a lot of people assume how it works and end up thinking it is stupid, but once you understand the system you realize that it actually is pretty fair.

Koƒu1/7/2019, 1:36:28 AM2 votes

Lemme make it as clear as possible, based on my opinion and the fact that I've never gotten chat restrictions or bans. Be supportive of your team, be tolerant of their bad plays, be grateful for their good plays, and don't be a massive butt head, or make easily misconstrued jokes unless you're playing with friends who know it's a joke! :D

ooshawn1/7/2019, 2:08:27 AM2 votes

To ban over words, when we all know they can permanently mutr someone. Getting banned would really suck dick. In a world of fortnites ,pubgs and countless other games, how many players has riot thrown out the window for banning over WORDS. Probably to be honest, since it's a automatic system. Probably tens of thousands of people.

SGT Reckless1/7/2019, 5:25:54 AM2 votes

If you can't avoid saying something toxic in chat then stop using it. Unbind the chat key so you can't talk at all. Then you won't have to worry about saying anything that will net you a ban or suspension. If someone is legitimately inting, then flaming them won't make things better anyway. Yeah, it sucks, I've played in games with people doing that. All you can do is report after the game is over and not dig yourself a grave too.

YukaFTW1/7/2019, 7:10:22 AM2 votes

I totaly agree with you.

SonicÐeHedgedawg1/7/2019, 12:26:07 PM2 votes

{quoted}

If you write “kys” or “f%%%%%” and get reported, that’s a guarranteed 2 week ban. Most people that I’ve personally seen believe that these phrases have been overused to the point that they are barely even offensive a lot of people, including me.

How brave of you and your friends not to be personally offended at minority slurs not directed at you. I wonder if you'd feel the same was about the word “f%%%%%” if you were gay, “n%%%%%” if you were black or “c%%%” if you were a woman... Because all of these words are offensive. The world at large believes these are offensive and inappropriate words. It's not like the word “fuck” which is vulgar in public but isn't a slur directed at a discriminated-against group, it's absolutely something you should never say in public because you have no idea of it's going to hurt other people hearing it. The fact that you and your friends don't care when you call each other it doesn't mean the word is suddenly ok. Even if it only offended 1/20 people, you come in contact with so many people throughout league (and life in general) that that's still WAY too many for it to be ok for you to be saying things like that.

As for fragility, I think you're making an unfair judgment there. Relating specifically to the word “f%%%%%”, a gay person doesn't just hear the word, they hear malice, they hear every time they were spat at in public for trying to hold their significant other's hand, they hear their family crying and maybe disowning them for coming out, they hear kids throwing the word around on the playground making it obvious is not a good thing while they were starting to feel like the word applied to them and they hear pundits and politicians on television arguing that they aren't really as good as straight people and don't deserve the same rights. To you it's a word, to other people it's a weapon, but they are fragile for having not been lucky enough to live a life where they hadn't grown up being hurt by that word their whole life? The fragile person here is the person throwing a tantrum because they don't want to be told that they need to grow up and stop using words that exist only to hurt others.

Eoroch1/7/2019, 1:46:08 PM2 votes

When you say that "kys" lr whatever isn't even offensive anymore, you're looking from your point of view. However, if, say, someone was just having a really crappy day, or they were actually considering suicide, then you've just said something extremely upsetting. The thing is, you DON'T know who you're playing against. You could be playing with or against a child for all you know. So keeping it clean is important.

How do you know that people aren't getting punished? They may have received some discipline you are unaware of, and ot may not be a ban. It may be a chat restriction. You don't know, unless you're friends with a bunc of people that tend to flame or int or whatever else.

Flaming someone for underperforming is also just rude. Again, you don't know their situation. Bad games occur for everyone, and if it's that big of a deal, get a full lobby before playing.

And finally: not everyone considers it worth their time to report, or closes out of the post game screen before they can. And, as you pointed out, some people just don't get upset by certain kinds of talk.

I'm sorry you feel this way, but it's really that age old don't stoop to their level. If someone does or says something you consider worrying of talking back on, make a mental (or physical) note to repprt them for X, and mute them. That way you have your evidence, but now you don't need to keep putting up with it. I've also found that it tends to keep your head a bit more cool.