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How we as a community can help to improve the current punishment system

0DESTROYERZ0·11/9/2018, 3:21:00 AM·4 votes·2,024 views

As I have been told by rioters, in the current state of League the chat is reserved only for comments about plans to win the game and positive feedback for teammates, nothing more nothing less. When you do receive a punishment, as of now, the best response riot can give you is that you were negative, and therefore justly deserving of the punishment. The problem with this, however, is that negative is a very broad term that a lot of language can fit under.

This is where my proposal comes in.

In the comments section I challenge you, a player of league of legends, to try and create a set of rules that must be abided by regarding the use of the chat system in league of legends. If you see another person's set of rules that you agree with, you should drop them an upvote. If what riot says is true in that the punishment system revolves around what we the players believe is truly punishable, this post should good ground structure for them to build off of.

If you do believe however that there is nothing wrong with the current system, feel free to drop "no change" into the comments. Unless you truly believe that this post is nothing but a waste, please refrain from downvoting this post as it will decrease the visibility of the post and the suggestions made in the comments. Thank you all in advance who participate in this "data collection".

Edit: I forgot to mention that you can either talk about bans or chat restrictiong, but please state which one you are talking about if only one.

29 Comments

Imperial Pandaa11/9/2018, 3:46:53 AM6 votes

I want to look at the punishments and this is just a general spitball.

Add warnings back. Before a 10 game chat restrict, you get a warning and it comes with a reform card which remains until honor unlock. Punishment attached is 1-2 checkpoints (plips) knocked from honor progress and honor lock.

A Second 2 Week for ZT cases only. Dropping ZT is never a necessity in a game, and I understand why it gets escalated to a 14 day ban. I do understand the issue with immediately going ro the edge (as a 14 day does) and then a small slip for a perm. So my thought is if a punishment after a 14 day (for ZT) would be a CR then a 2nd 14 day ban instead. Coding might be difficult so just making a second 14 day for all might be simpler. At a 14 day a ZT = perm.

I would rather take the warning than the 2nd 14 day tbh if only one could be considered.

ı Sona ı11/9/2018, 3:36:04 AM4 votes

I believe the reason they use vague wording is to be able to have such ability to broadly cover a wide array of scenarios thought of or unthought of.

Just say nice things, even if you don't feel like saying nice things. Yes, it is hard sometimes. But when you replace negative things with positive things you'll find a change in yourself that will help you bring a change in others.

ı Sona ı11/9/2018, 3:27:57 AM2 votes

From the code of conduct.

v. Transmitting or communicating any content which, in the sole and exclusive discretion of Riot Games, is deemed offensive, including language that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, sexually explicit, or racially, ethically, or otherwise objectionable;

While there is an ingame tip that says "competitive bs'ing is fine" I think its best to take that with a giant grain of salt. Breathe deeply and transmit good messages to yourself so you can transmit good messages to others around you.

DODGEORLOSE11/9/2018, 3:34:06 AM2 votes

Thou shalt not harm another with their words.

Thou shalt also abide by the summoner's code, both in and out of game.

To cause harm to another is to cause harm to oneself; be it not physically, not mentally, nor emotionally, but spiritually.

I don't know why I typed all that.

Silent Gravity11/9/2018, 3:38:53 AM2 votes

Chat is a tool to be used only for increasing your team's chances of victory. Being friendly and encouraging only qualifies because it slightly increases team cohesion.

Anything that is focusing on reducing your team's chances of victory, like encouraging ff, calling for reports, insults, complaints, or arguments should be punishable. Let's build a little leeway into the system, because we're all still human and make mistakes occasionally.

Anything that isn't reported won't be punished, as only the things that actually bothered anyone is worth taking action against.

Reports won't directly cause punishment. Reports will only cause the system to scan and score the chat/gameplay. We can call the score given the "ML score" for Machine Learning, as the system will respond to trends in reporting (while being curated by humans), so that it can identify what the playerbase considers unacceptable reducing the chance of victory. Once the ML score reaches a threshold, apply the next penalty.

There will be a zero tolerance policy on some things. There is no conceivable reason for anyone to be using those words while using chat properly. The people who use those words should be ostracized until they can conform to normal behavior.

So, no change.

Bansheenoir11/9/2018, 3:25:35 AM2 votes

Eh. I've been conditioned by daddy riot to bend over and take it. So not sure what to say.

Dr Dog11/9/2018, 5:24:49 PM1 votes

chat is fine as it is, you can get away with a lot of shit but i do think they need to enforce their 0 tolerance words much much much better, quoting someone shouldnt get you banned and legitimate breaking of the rule should result in a instant 14 day like they say it does but in reality it just doesnt

Ecophile11/9/2018, 4:14:16 AM1 votes

I genuinely think that flagging at words is retarded. A specific word can be used in so different ways that are not necesserily toxic. I have seen people being offended by someone saying 'ez' in /all chat...

The system should focus more on frequency of reports, comments in reports and then maybe have a scan of chat logs if there is uncertainty about toxicity matter. If someone is constantly being reported by multiple people, there might be a reason. If there is not, a case can be done by the player to defend himself. If there is (inting, AFKing, harrassement, threats, taking actions that consistently aim at losing the game like backing off fights and then running it down, etc.), the player should go through a 14-day ban. Then the second punishment could be the permaban.

I really think there is way too much focus on chat behavior and not enough on gameplay, spam pinging and refusal to play to win. I know chat is more easily trackable by bots, but you should be able to say something for banter. We all play games to have fun and chat is a way to get some. If you dont want to participate in it, you can mute or say it to the player, that it hurts you. If the player keeps going, then yes its toxic. If you say it once and get flagged for it... C'mon!

When I report someone, I always put comments on why I think this is unacceptable, but I feel like it doesn't really matter much, because all I see on the boards is people coming with chat logs as a proof of punishment. No inters, no consistent leavers, no defeatist that plays to troll teams without using chat. If those people get a lot of reports on different games, by different people, for legitimate reasons (AKA commented), I think they should be punished, regardless of weither they used bad words in chat or not.

0DESTROYERZ011/9/2018, 12:00:38 PM1 votes

Oh my god, so many downvotes...

Kei14311/9/2018, 12:08:48 PM1 votes

Verbal detect is fine right now.

True inting and troll detect can certainly be improved , but that's dam hard to do.

Clarity, transparency and education of the system needs major improvement, and Riot Tantram has told us that he is working on something more compelling than Monthly Report Cards.

Now that honors is tied to punishment and rewards, I would certainly welcome a warning before getting punished.

DTN has suggested before to give people whom get 14-day banned by verbal means a chat restriction along with the ban.

Also, some leeway for those that got ZTed and then give them suffice warning that their mild toxicity is still not appreciated, instead of permabanning directly right after.

mlm olo mlm11/9/2018, 4:10:10 PM1 votes
  1. Do whatever you want.
Faneseeker11/9/2018, 5:20:39 PM1 votes

You can Salt, and salt some more when they come here to cry. Then when the time is right, you give that wound a gravious stab. Maybe they'll learn and reform, maybe they will quit. Either way a better community. 😂 😂 😂

Or you can walk around vomitting sunshine like some of us.