Give Up Trying To Make Me Give Up

Zero Shingetsu··4 votes·589 views

"Winners never quit. Quitters never win."

I'm getting pretty fed up with people saying "just end it, im done" at any point in the game. Particularly after 15 minutes, but at any time, really. Let me preface this by saying I don't like League a whole lot. I play it as a timewaster. But even I'm willing to push through a rough performance for the chance at as satisfying come-from-behind victory. If you quit every time the chips are down, you'll never experience that. Every win will be handed to you, and no matter how many you get, you'll never experience satisfaction. True pride and gratification comes not from curbstomping people who are less skilled than you, but facing stronger opponents and finding a way to overcome.

Consider a UFC fighter who's been getting pummeled all fight. The fifth round starts, and everyone in the building knows he's behind on points, big time. Do you think you'd ever in a million years find a guy in that situation who would go "Just knock me out, bro. Just put me on the canvas. I'm done." That'd be absurd. Likewise, you don't see a goalie who gives up four goals in the first period throw his kit into the stands and go "THAT'S IT. Just shoot the goals and win already."

If you surrender, there's exactly one outcome. You lose. You don't even really lose, you hand them a win. You roll over and let them walk over you so you can rush into the next game, still frustrated, and play another game with your annoyance making you push too hard and make mistakes. You learn nothing. You just walk away.

If you don't, there are two outcomes: Either you have a rousing victory that feels extremely rewarding, or you suffer a loss that you've had time to observe and learn from. Between quitting and pressing on, does one not seem more logical than the other?

"But Shingetsu," I hear you say, "this is stupid. Once you get down 2-40, there's no mathematical way to win." I've seen it happen. I've been a part of it on both the winning and losing sides. The key is fairly simple: DON'T DO WHAT ISN'T WORKING. Adapt. If they have 20 kills and three levels on you, don't chase kills! This is the biggest mistake I see on a regular basis. You're defending, an opponent gets low, and three guys chase him all the way back into his own jungle trying to get that kill. Sometimes they get it, sometimes they don't, but they almost always end up ambushed and wiped.

You know how many creeps you could've cleared in the time you took chasing that one guy? Enough to make at least one and a half times the gold, and push lanes out to boot. Remember that League is a game of objectives, not kills. If you're behind, even if you ace them, it's statistically going to take so long that you'll have no meaningful time to push once you get them down. Focus on what you can do. They were pushing you, now they're retreating. Great! Push lanes. Get gold. Four of them are pushing bot. GO TOP. Don't walk right into their teeth, knowing they have every numerical advantage possible. Go do something else constructive. "Where the enemy is full, be empty. Where the enemy is empty, be full."

Eventually, you'll have an opportunity to strike back. The levels will balance out, your team will have some items, and they'll start making mistakes. That's when you teamfight. Not when you're doing by 20 kills and the enemy Yasuo has three and a half items done.

Don't give up on your game. Don't give up on your team. Give up on your strategy. If you're down by a lot, you're doing something wrong. Find out what it is and stop doing that thing. Doesn't matter if it worked in the past. It's not working now, so do something different. Grenades worked against tanks during World War 2, but when armoring technologies improved, they stopped relying on them. That's the way you need to think. Nasus outlasting you top? Buy Executioner. "But I don't build that! I'm Olaf, noob!" I don't care. The reason Nasus is beating you isn't because he has stacks, it's because his lifesteal is absurd. If you want things to change, do something different and put a stop to his lifesteal. Otherwise, you'll just keep throwing yourself into his jaws and losing more ground.

Think. Adjust. Stop thinking of rough starts as a waste of time and start seeing them as opportunities. Everyone - including you - will be better off for it.

16 Comments

TrollofAllTrolls4 votes

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Zero Shingetsu1 votes

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You clearly don't understand the game judging by your match history. Playing whoever and whatever you want, where ever you want. You get lucky here and there and win, but all of your games are mediocre. Clearly like you said, you only play the game to waste time, so I don't you are actually trying to improve. Another noob taking up space.

I'm just going to let your username make my counterpoint for me.

TrollofAllTrolls4 votes

You're in denial about your trolling. At least I admit it.

Dark Insp1 votes

His username is pretty irrelevant to this discussion. He is right. Just quick glance at your match history, most games you are lucky to get to 2CS a min, even for bronze, avg is around 4-5cs per min. You NEVER take flash (dont you think if you are the only player without flash in 99% of the games that you might be doing something wrong?). And your builds are.. well something special... Mortar reminder AND Lords dominks on ORNN (do you even read Unique passives??), executioners on zoe? Wut?

And honestly, all that is fine for what you want; you are playing the game to waste time, have fun, blow off some steam... BUT dont expect you will improve and start winning more if you dont put some efford into learning the game and try to play better.

Funkynút1 votes

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You clearly don't understand the game judging by your match history. Playing whoever and whatever you want, where ever you want. You get lucky here and there and win, but all of your games are mediocre. Clearly like you said, you only play the game to waste time, so I don't you are actually trying to improve. Another noob taking up space.

you're silver tho

TrollofAllTrolls1 votes

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Funkynút1 votes

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Go focus on your new account that you're just going to get banned on.

go focus on improving on your main that you're just gonna get demoted on X'D instead of crying on boards why would i get banned tho X'D!?

Alkis92 votes

I only came here to comment on the Naruto reference in the title (even if its unintentional, not sure about that)

Funkynút1 votes

Imagine playing in a net-cafe then being held hostage because some desperate silver 1 wants to win promo when he's 2-2 and the team score is 1-20 [sg-shisa]

Zero Shingetsu2 votes

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Imagine playing in a net-cafe then being held hostage because some desperate silver 1 wants to win promo when he's 2-2 and the team score is 1-20 [sg-shisa]

Not sure how this is any different than playing a game where you're up 20-1 in a net cafe and the opposing team won't surrender. You knew going in the game might take a while, so clearly you were prepared to spend 30-40 minutes there.

Funkynút1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Zero Shingetsu,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=9lRFuJEc,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-11-30T09:43:42.533+0000)

Not sure how this is any different than playing a game where you're up 20-1 in a net cafe and the opposing team won't surrender. You knew going in the game might take a while, so clearly you were prepared to spend 30-40 minutes there.

i wouldn't report them for leaving when 9 people are held hostage cus some silver 1 shit in his promos keeps saying no to surrender votes at 15 min

Karunamon1 votes

The key is fairly simple: DON'T DO WHAT ISN'T WORKING. Adapt. If they have 20 kills and three levels on you, don't chase kills!

What isn't working is everything. A horrible team comp, being down a guy, and so on. If you're 1 and 20 with all your towers down, the chances of you making a comeback are absolutely miniscule.

Here's how surrender votes usually go:

One guy starts it. Two others vote yes One guy votes no One guy doesn't vote at all

The majority of the team no longer wants to play the game. Yet they're held hostage.

The game continues. The score goes up to 2 and 30. The inhibitors are down. Pressure releases on the base for a moment so they can go do Baron. We clear the minions out. One guy falls. Two guys fall. Another ff vote starts.

3 yesses, 1 no, 1 nothing.

The last ten minutes have been a fucking waste, and everybody knows it. I, and most of the team, would have rather spent that 10 minutes getting into a new game.

There's no reason for surrender votes to be anything other than a simple majority.

Paper11 votes

Unfortunately, what you judge as a completely lost game may not be for some other teammate. The thing is, in the scenario you described, I think people would agree to surrender if the score was 2 and 30. However in reality, it is much more common to get a situation that isnt as clear cut, say when the score is 8-15 and the team with 15 have got a few turrets. Then it's down to how each teammate views the game, and their reasoning for surrending or not surrendering is likely to be different from the others.

From my experience, teammates are too quick to hit the surrender button when things dont go exactly their way within the first 15 minutes of the game. Can you really blame the "no" voters then?

Also, on the 3-2 majority. As soon as you take into account duo queue, you find that 3-2 majority isn't good enough. You have situations where the duo agrees to vote yes, then they only need one of the other three people to agree. It isn't a strong enough majority.

Negativity1 votes

I'm not one to judge on off meta picks since I got to diamond playing Sona mid, but there is some denial in this post, not all bad tho I kinda don't like seeing players spam FF or open etc I've won a lot of awful games in high Elo and low Some games are however lost, and FF can be reasoned but in low Elo really never know what he other team will do and if you're skilled you can exploit it sometimes, but not always But if ur whole team gives up it is kinda rough and might aswell move on

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