A twitch streamer threw a row of hate speech at me in the post-game lobby after i won him a game

Frontline Fury·Apr 3, 2018·3 votes·905 views

I reported him for hate speech and yet he is still going strong on-stream. This guy said literally FIVE words IN A ROW that usually results in an instant 14 day ban or permaban, and he did so ON STREAM, LIVE. Why is he exempt from the report system?

He's been doing this many matches in a row. When i took it up with him he banned me from his twitch chat. He is straight up throwing death threats, diseases, races, nationalities and conditions/disabilities as insults in the post-game lobbies EVERY SINGLE GAME and he does not even recieve a chat restriction.

27 Comments

Odysseus263Apr 3, 20185 votes

did you specify post-game harassment or did you just say "he called me this". Specifications matter to the automated system. You can use screenshots from their stream as solid evidence of the fact of the name calling but if you have no proof currently then you can wait on the system to do it's job. Btw the IFS (instant feedback system) is not an "instant ban" system. it is a learning one where if they have repeatedly bad behavioural attitudes they keep getting hit by reports until they get their just deserts. i respect you for not giving out usernames/twitch details. Most people do :)

ChermorgApr 3, 20181 votes

Further I think that the pre/post check is still a different "module" than the in game check so it may take more time or not be instantly noticable that something was done.

Frontline FuryApr 3, 20181 votes

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did you specify post-game harassment or did you just say "he called me this". Specifications matter to the automated system. You can use screenshots from their stream as solid evidence of the fact of the name calling but if you have no proof currently then you can wait on the system to do it's job. Btw the IFS (instant feedback system) is not an "instant ban" system. it is a learning one where if they have repeatedly bad behavioural attitudes they keep getting hit by reports until they get their just deserts. i respect you for not giving out usernames/twitch details. Most people do :)

I couldn't actually screenshot the stream as the person in question does not allow you to rewind it - you can only view live. They do specify in their description that they have autism, but that is no excuse for the kind of language they used in the post-game lobby.

This situation was triggered by me responding to him saying "Aatrox stop trolling" with "Accuse me of trolling one more time and i will." (This was a bluff, but i know it is still toxic.)

This was the only thing i said in chat the entire game. I do not know why he attacked me in the first place, because we were winning and i was splitpushing effectively with teleport at the ready.

But apparently this person took being lectured extremely personally, and resorted to death threats, racism, wishing mortal disease on me and various other colourful language.

Kei143Apr 3, 20181 votes

oh that account will get banned pretty soon if he typed all that stuff out in post game screen.

If he just "said" it on stream, then it is the responsibility of the streaming platform to take action on him.

But even if his account gets banned, since he's a streamer, chances are he'll have other accounts to play on.

EvilDustManApr 3, 20182 votes

Report him to twitch. Consider how much bad press they are getting from streamers being assholes, they might start cracking down

Frontline FuryApr 4, 20181 votes

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Report him to twitch. Consider how much bad press they are getting from streamers being assholes, they might start cracking down

I did. He just started his stream back up, roughly 20 hours later.

Player3Th0masApr 3, 20181 votes

Considering he is a twitch streamer, the naming and shaming rule doesn't apply anymore, since he chose to broadcast his name and actions on twitch.

That's why you can call out streamers and pro players. You can freely share his twitch.

ChermorgApr 3, 20181 votes

This is not true. It depends heavily on the steamer and the situation. Not everyone opens themselves into the public eye just buy streaming.

If this was a smaller or friendly steamer, it would not be appropriate to share their name. The rule is only universally not applied to "professional" streamers - i.e. those who make their living off streaming - not just your average Joe who happens to stream for an audience of 10 people for fun.

deathgod5Apr 3, 20181 votes

Did he say it in the in-game chat tho?

Riot can only punish mistakes that are made in-game. You can also report him to twitch.

DerMangoJoghurtApr 3, 20184 votes

That's actually a common misconception. Pre-game and post-game lobby chats are also evaluated. Source

deathgod5Apr 3, 20182 votes

I mean did he say it as a person in the stream, or did he really type it down.

DerMangoJoghurtApr 3, 20182 votes

Oh, my bad. Completely misunderstood what you meant to say. ^^

ModPeriscopeApr 3, 20181 votes

If he said it in post-game, make sure you mark "hate speech" in your post-game report with a note at the bottom about the post game.

ArammusApr 3, 20181 votes

okay i just wanna answer your question with another question. ignoring pre and postgame chat, EVERYTHING YOU DO OR SAY IN CLIENT does not matter at all to riot. i mean for years we had open groups WHICH YOU JOINED AUTOMATICALLY WHEN CREATING A NEW ACCOUNT where the entire chat was full of insults and "free rp" links.

so if riot doesnt give a single fuck at all about the in client stuff. why would they care about what someone says? sure it was after the game and still in the chatlobby. but yea.

EvilDustManApr 3, 20181 votes

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okay i just wanna answer your question with another question. ignoring pre and postgame chat, EVERYTHING YOU DO OR SAY IN CLIENT does not matter at all to riot. i mean for years we had open groups WHICH YOU JOINED AUTOMATICALLY WHEN CREATING A NEW ACCOUNT where the entire chat was full of insults and "free rp" links.

so if riot doesnt give a single fuck at all about the in client stuff. why would they care about what someone says? sure it was after the game and still in the chatlobby. but yea.

Uh, no, this post is a lie

NocturnalSheildApr 3, 20181 votes

diseases, races, nationalities

What even?

The fuck is a disease insult? Or a race/nationality one?

Do you mean race specific like the N word? And as for nationality i just... do you mean like redskin (bah this would be a race thing) or limey (the only nationality specific one i can think of)?

If so im giving that dude points for literally covering the whole spectrum of insults.

(Still have no clue what a disease insult is)

SEKAIApr 3, 20182 votes

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diseases, races, nationalities

What even?

The fuck is a disease insult? Or a race/nationality one?

Do you mean race specific like the N word? And as for nationality i just... do you mean like redskin (bah this would be a race thing) or limey (the only nationality specific one i can think of)?

If so im giving that dude points for literally covering the whole spectrum of insults.

(Still have no clue what a disease insult is)

#This post contains insults, however is not intended to do harm nor directed at any specific individual.

"Disease" is probably the wrong tag, I am no medical expert but the correct umbrella term should probably be "conditions", or something along that line (which OP also separated out a tag for, so not sure why they used "disease" as its own tag)? Outside of cancer and AIDS, I don't think there are other actively used insults revolving around diseases, it's not like people use things like "Ha! You are a lower respiratory tract infection!" as a form of offensive language. Though people do use personal conditions as a way to put down others, like using disability and other biological or mental conditions that may or may not even be a form of bodily disorder; "gimp/lame" (used to be used against the immobile people, not sure if still used), "autistic", "gay", "aspergers", "downs/retard" etc.

Race insult is straightforward, it's making insults on the basis of someone's ancestry and ethnicity. You got "chlnk", "ape", "nlgger", "redneck/bogan", "curry" etc.

Nationality insult can be interchangeable with race insult, but can also be independent. "Chlnk" is a case of the former where it's used by both racists to refer to all Asians but can also be just used by haters of China to refer to Chinese people, on the other hand "chlnaman" or "chlng ch0ng" are more targeted insult that is typically specifically directed at Chinese and is thus a nationality insult.

NocturnalSheildApr 3, 20181 votes

Then disease is literally just conditions/disabilities and the OP was either exaggerating or trying to start a witch hunt.

Bah. People these days. Im glad theres not alot of millenials in my work force yet. Cuz ive heard horror stories about what they have been doing in the army.

Frontline FuryApr 4, 20181 votes

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Then disease is literally just conditions/disabilities and the OP was either exaggerating or trying to start a witch hunt.

Bah. People these days. Im glad theres not alot of millenials in my work force yet. Cuz ive heard horror stories about what they have been doing in the army.

Why do you jump to conclusions without hearing me out first? Are you trying to start a witch hunt? :P

When i say diseases, i mean things like ebola, HIV, AIDS etc. In this case he wrote things like "ebolanig" "herpeskid" and similar. It didn't look particularly well thought out - more like something he wrote in a burst of anger over the course of a few seconds.

It should be noted that the streamer is french - the french people seem to be a lot more liberal about insults and trash talk than most other european nationalities.

HalcyonDwellerApr 3, 20181 votes

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#This post contains insults, however is not intended to do harm nor directed at any specific individual.

"Disease" is probably the wrong tag, I am no medical expert but the correct umbrella term should probably be "conditions", or something along that line (which OP also separated out a tag for, so not sure why they used "disease" as its own tag)? Outside of cancer and AIDS, I don't think there are other actively used insults revolving around diseases, it's not like people use things like "Ha! You are a lower respiratory tract infection!" as a form of offensive language. Though people do use personal conditions as a way to put down others, like using disability and other biological or mental conditions that may or may not even be a form of bodily disorder; "gimp/lame" (used to be used against the immobile people, not sure if still used), "autistic", "gay", "aspergers", "downs/retard" etc.

Race insult is straightforward, it's making insults on the basis of someone's ancestry and ethnicity. You got "chlnk", "ape", "nlgger", "redneck/bogan", "curry" etc.

Nationality insult can be interchangeable with race insult, but can also be independent. "Chlnk" is a case of the former where it's used by both racists to refer to all Asians but can also be just used by haters of China to refer to Chinese people, on the other hand "chlnaman" or "chlng ch0ng" are more targeted insult that is typically specifically directed at Chinese and is thus a nationality insult.

Not trying to pick a fight or anything, just correcting something important. The term "gay" does not belong in your list of medical conditions / disorders.

SEKAIApr 3, 20181 votes

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Not trying to pick a fight or anything, just correcting something important. The term "gay" does not belong in your list of medical conditions / disorders.

You'd be right, I only put it there because that's what the people who use the term as an insult have in mind when they do it. But yeah I can see what I did there is not good to look at. MB.

HalcyonDwellerApr 3, 20181 votes

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You'd be right, I only put it there because that's what the people who use the term as an insult have in mind when they do it. But yeah I can see what I did there is not good to look at. MB.

Np, I understand. Thanks for understanding me too.

fatherdariusApr 4, 20181 votes

But being 'gay' is a condition - it's part of the "human condition". :D

[slayer-jinx-wink]

Frontline FuryApr 3, 20181 votes

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diseases, races, nationalities

What even?

The fuck is a disease insult? Or a race/nationality one?

Do you mean race specific like the N word? And as for nationality i just... do you mean like redskin (bah this would be a race thing) or limey (the only nationality specific one i can think of)?

If so im giving that dude points for literally covering the whole spectrum of insults.

(Still have no clue what a disease insult is)

Disease insult - E-bola, herpes, HIV etc.

Condition: Autism, downs syndrome etc

Nationality: Accusing a teammate with a german name of being a nazi simply because he's german.

SEKAIApr 3, 20181 votes

OP, when you said that the streamer talked real smack during the post game lobby, are you referring to them using the chatboxes to do it, or are they speaking into their microphone on a stream that contained such insults?

If the latter, it isn't within Riot's jurisdiction, and you instead should refer to Twitch on it; though I am not too sure how they're gonna trace it unless you have a recorded footage.

Otherwise, if you're just referring to them typing in the chatbox, the IFS should also read the post-game lobby once you've reported them. I am not too sure why they haven't banned if they really crossed the line so much as you'd said. Maybe do a support ticket and ask the support team to follow it up, or something, but idk.

Frontline FuryApr 3, 20181 votes

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OP, when you said that the streamer talked real smack during the post game lobby, are you referring to them using the chatboxes to do it, or are they speaking into their microphone on a stream that contained such insults?

If the latter, it isn't within Riot's jurisdiction, and you instead should refer to Twitch on it; though I am not too sure how they're gonna trace it unless you have a recorded footage.

Otherwise, if you're just referring to them typing in the chatbox, the IFS should also read the post-game lobby once you've reported them. I am not too sure why they haven't banned if they really crossed the line so much as you'd said. Maybe do a support ticket and ask the support team to follow it up, or something, but idk.

I meant in chat during the post-game lobby. I copied it and pasted it into the report form (under the category hate speech) and have yet to see any results. He is still active on stream, not a single punishment as of yet.

I would post a link to the stream but his stream does not allow you to look back at previous recordings or earlier clips from the day. You can only watch live, which means i have no proof at all as i didn't have the foresight to screenshot the post-game lobby.

SEKAIApr 3, 20181 votes

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I meant in chat during the post-game lobby. I copied it and pasted it into the report form (under the category hate speech) and have yet to see any results. He is still active on stream, not a single punishment as of yet.

I would post a link to the stream but his stream does not allow you to look back at previous recordings or earlier clips from the day. You can only watch live, which means i have no proof at all as i didn't have the foresight to screenshot the post-game lobby.

You can simply send in a support ticket, do a general outline of the situation and give the names of the player in the ticket and the closest approximate time of the match (so that they can find the match and who to check), and ask them to trace it.

They won't tell you any results for confidentiality reasons, but they should follow it up.