Permabanned after retaliating for being flamed and trolled by my premade

Luisitaaa·Jul 13, 2019·1 votes·2,257 views

Hello everyone.

I'm starting this thread to vent out about what happened to me around a week ago, cuz I know it wont change riot's decision about my permaban.

Alright so... I was doing normals with this person in my friendslist; he wanted duo with me as I'm main support so he played adc. The first game we played that day, he asked me "do you have rakan?" to which I replied with yes and I played Rakan for his sake just cuz he wanted to play xayah. Normally, I dont play supports like rakan who deal no damage as im in elo hell and cant climb out of it (support life... too team reliant....) even though my plat and diamond friends told me I dont play like a b3 and I could reach high silver/low gold by the end of the season... therefoooore my go to options are: lux, morgana, karma, zyra (obviously full ap unless I see the adc is actually good). Anyway. We won that first game, I had 0 kills and like 2-3 deaths and several assists. The team was doing okay, we got carried by a really fed Ahri and Evelynn. My adc only had 2 kills. Next game, i selected lux in champ select. He told me not to play lux to which i responded with no. (I mean who are u to tell me what not to play especially when im genuinely trying to win therefore picking dark harvest lux as support?) Forgot to mention that some rando just came into the lobby (didn't know him, assumed it was my pre's friend) before this game. The whole game this rando was feeding his ass out, then his laner game to gank us in bot so i scolded him by saying "nice feed mid and 0 ss". Aaand from there it went downhill, as he started being super toxic and accusing me for his poor performance and saying im the one inting (i was 6/4/6 he was 3/9/4). Basically im trying my best to win and that's why i picked this champ as i have carry potential with it, but i cant do anything even if my lane is doing ok but the other 2 are lost. So of course i got pissed off for being flamed and being called an inter and called him "trash" and told him "you suck"... (yea yea i retaliated [slayer-jinx-unamused] ). Apparently he reported me.

Third and last game before i got permabanned... i kicked out that rando because he tilted me so much. Started a new game, my initial premade was begging me again to not play lux to which i responded with "no no no" and locked in lux. He was constantly complaining about something and i just told him if he complains again i disconnect. (Support mains, y'all know the struggle when youre being sh.t on by the carry even though its their mistake but they dont wanna admit it*[cass-cry]*) The other 3 in my team were premades i assume since they all spoke the same language to each other (Spanish) and seemed very solidary against me. The midlaner starts to flame me for not pinging ss (which i did but hey why look in the chat or pay attention to your map... the easiest solution for everything : blame the support). I told him i pinged ss and to check the chat. He died again. And again. He ended up with some kills too even though he died a lot. On the other hand, our zac was 5/13 and flamed me as well for not saving him after he just Q'ed into all 5 enemies and died. My pre as well was complaining how i "ks" him all the time with lux (even though when i had 0 kills with rakan he didn't manage to kill more than twice) so he told me something like "if u play to ks the adc then you shouldn't be playing at all". To which i got mad after all the flaming coming from everyone and said to my premade "you're a mad fuck because i get to kill. you want me to play a shit ass support so that i cant kill cuz you want to kill but you cant carry, bro you suck fuck off". (yeah very toxic of me i know but i had enough). i tried to keep calm the whole time but i lost it even when my pre was trolling and flaming me. I mean honestly now, who wouldn't get pissed off by having the whole team flaming them while theyre doing decently (i ended up 5/5/7)? So throughout this hell of a last game i got tilted and said other bad words such as "shut the fuck up" and "trash". I got reported by those 3. I got permabanned as i previously received a 14day suspension (well deserved bcs i flamed a noob who had 0 clue of how their champion worked and we both ended up dying, unlike this time... not very well deserved). Before the permaban message popped up, i got a private message from that premade who said "dont get mad at me, i was just messing with you".

???? what the...?

what would yall do in this situation? I mean i get it i shouldn't have said all those things but my harshest insult wasn't even directed at a person, it was directed at a champion(rakan). And just cuz i didn't save them with the price of my life i got flamed and reported. And even if i saved them with the price of my life, id be called an inter, which i already got called anyway. I get flamed and trolled and then reported for standing up for myself. Im not an inherently toxic person. Its not like i purposely go and ruin people's games. I always try my best. I dont flame out of nowhere especially after i got that 14 day suspension. I mean i understood what i did was bad. Those people are still out there playing, i checked their profiles on op.gg... and their lame trolling cost me my account :/

I submitted a ticket to support without much success, i was told it's a legitimate ban so it cant be lifted since i said bad words in the chat. Im sad about losing the progress and the skins... had 3 skins on morgana, 3 on sona (2 were legacy) and another legacy skin on lux... i made another account but its not the same. i enjoyed playing cuz of those skins. Now its meh... i only play aram and sometimes normals with my roommate. Im not using the chat at all, i learned my lesson but now its too late i guess. I only realized how valuable that account was to me after i have it no more. Im not going to invest that much time and money in this new account and ill most probably quit as i have to go to back to uni in September unless i have my old account back (highly unlikely). It takes too long to start from scratch and besides, i wanna be sure im not losing my effort again even though im instantly muting anyone who talks too much just to be sure i end up tilt proof by the end of the game.

I got eliminated form the community but those who are actually toxic are still active... very nice, what can i say?

thanks for reading my novel, whoever managed to get this far. And i'd like to hear some thoughts. But enough with citing the rules and telling me i shouldn't have responded. Im not a brainless monkey or some buddhist monk to not say a word after they spew venom at me. Those who say "you should've ignored blah blah blah" would you stay zen all the time no matter whats going on? i doubt it. Im 20, not a silly kid who just spams pings and insults in chat for no reason then ragequits. Im not tyler1 or whatever. Im not asking for help to reform. I got caught in those particular games in this particular situation when they were all flaming me, i dont say bad stuff for no reason. I never wished cancer upon anyone or told them to go kill themselves, nor have i ever made any sexist/racist etc remark, yet here i am... same punishment as those who actually dare to say such things. :( anyone going through the same stuff? i lost my hope tbh. I know the account is lost. Sorry if this is too long :(

Cheers.

14 Comments

KFCeytronJul 13, 20198 votes

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so i scolded him by saying "nice feed mid and 0 ss".

You started that fight.

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my initial premade was begging me again to not play lux to which i responded with "no no no" and locked in lux. He was constantly complaining about something and i just told him if he complains again i disconnect.

You refuse to communicate with your team, and you're bossy, backed up with threats/blackmail.

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unlike this time... not very well deserved).

It was well deserved this time, too. You start fights, you harass people for their performance, you argue... you can't even get along with your premade friends.

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I mean i understood what i did was bad.

It doesn't seem like it. You've been rationalizing and claiming the ban "wasn't deserved."

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I got eliminated form the community but those who are actually toxic are still active... very nice, what can i say?

You were one of the toxic ones.

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Im not a brainless monkey or some buddhist monk to not say a word after they spew venom at me.

Now you're insulting people who can mind their manners and control themselves.

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Im 20, not a silly kid who just spams pings and insults in chat for no reason

-_-

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I got caught in those particular games in this particular situation when they were all flaming me, i dont say bad stuff for no reason.

There's never a good reason to say "bad stuff" in chat.

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I never wished cancer upon anyone or told them to go kill themselves, nor have i ever made any sexist/racist etc remark, yet here i am... same punishment as those who actually dare to say such things. :(

If you had said those things you would've been permabanned more quickly. With "only" moderate toxicity, you got a couple extra warnings, but the goal is to get you to stop misbehaving, and you didn't. Toxicity isn't a contest, and there are enough bans to go around to anyone who needs one.

ModPeriscopeJul 13, 20193 votes

I know you didn't want rule citing, but here goes:

I got eliminated form the community but those who are actually toxic are still active... very nice, what can i say? . . I never wished cancer upon anyone or told them to go kill themselves, nor have i ever made any sexist/racist etc remark, yet here i am... same punishment as those who actually dare to say such things.

You're punished based off the severity and frequency of your actions. Severe things like kys and racist/sexist behavior gets escalated punishments when it's caught. So if you've been consistently negative and continued that behavior after a 2-week ban, your next punishment is a permanent ban, as it was stated in the 2-week suspension card.

LuisitaaaJul 14, 20191 votes

another proof y'all ain't listening to whatever others are saying

CharDeeMcDennizJul 14, 20192 votes

...what?

he gave you the answer to your question, what other response are you looking for?

unless you were just looking for a yes-man echo chamber, in which case you're S.O.L.

ModPeriscopeJul 14, 20194 votes

What can I do? You were wrong on those points.

HuskyRedzJul 13, 20192 votes

Nah the community thinks were all emotionless robots that won't react to being flamed or trolled. Yet we have a robot dishing out bans like its candy.

LuisitaaaJul 13, 20191 votes

I see many people complaining about these punishments and how theyre assigned without too much insight but no one seems to care. Even discussed it with the rioter that replied to my ticket and they said its not perfect... but i mean sure... you only see what you got banned for. you dont see what the others said. cool stuff bro.

HuskyRedzJul 13, 20192 votes

Its because Trolls don't care and the white knights think they are always mightier then thou. Riot support lacks the same thing as solo que, the "Support." Anyone who brings up that the "Punishment" bot is still learning or things get by. Look at CS:GO, its a community driven punishment program. If the old tribunal was a problem, we have a brownie point system implemented...but its only used for PBE access. why not bring back the tribunal and put a level cap like PBE access? OH WAIT, we won't because a sexist company won't have numbers padded by the amount of trolls making new accounts...so less numbers to show to Chinese investors = less money.

KalokasIsMyDaddyJul 13, 20191 votes

To be honest, permabans shouldn't exist for chat related offences. You can just have permanent mutes and stuff. The moment a flamer gets permabanned on his main but still continues playing League, he'll just keep creating accounts and flaming from there. Even though some say that if flamers cant type, they'll just feed and shit, and that's why Riot should be able to detect trolls in some way. Sure, it's hard, but you can't just stop there and say "Well, we can't do anything about it, so who cares". It just doesn't make sense.

Riot trapped themselves in an endless loop of "get banned, make new account, flame, get banned".

LuisitaaaJul 13, 20191 votes

ive seen this suggestion made 10000000 times. they dont give a single fuck as they pretend they do. they want u to start from scratch and spend money all over again. it would be more effective. i wouldn't give a damn if i had a permanent mute but was still able to play. i mean im still benefiting from the content i acquired and that's what i want. they treat all cases the same way and players like special needs kids who need to be punished for every little thing.

BlueThingamajigJul 13, 20194 votes

Here's the thing about permanent chat restriction: It's a great idea.

So good, that Riot actually used it in the past. They had what amounted to infinitely scaling chat restrictions (i.e. perma chat restrict) for moderately toxic players, and they would occasionally do a manual ban wave for the worst of the worst.

Even though some say that if flamers cant type, they'll just feed and shit

It's not just say, it's empirical evidence.

Players with their muted chat couldn't flame their teams the way they wanted to. So they started intentionally feeding and trolling their teammates. Because Riot considers trolling and feeding to be worse behaviors than chat offenses, they changed the system to basically what it currently is.

It was a great idea, but actually turns out to cause other problems. On the balance of harm, Riot decided flaming was the lesser of two evils. It's not that they don't care; it's the opposite. They care a lot about the players who aren't flaming others and aren't trolling and intentionally feeding.

When someone gets a permanent ban, Riot doesn't want them back. Why would any player be induced to buy more things after they get banned? It's really not difficult to not flame someone.

KalokasIsMyDaddyJul 13, 20192 votes

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Here's the thing about permanent chat restriction: It's a great idea.

So good, that Riot actually used it in the past. They had what amounted to infinitely scaling chat restrictions (i.e. perma chat restrict) for moderately toxic players, and they would occasionally do a manual ban wave for the worst of the worst.

It's not just say, it's empirical evidence.

Players with their muted chat couldn't flame their teams the way they wanted to. So they started intentionally feeding and trolling their teammates. Because Riot considers trolling and feeding to be worse behaviors than chat offenses, they changed the system to basically what it currently is.

It was a great idea, but actually turns out to cause other problems. On the balance of harm, Riot decided flaming was the lesser of two evils. It's not that they don't care; it's the opposite. They care a lot about the players who aren't flaming others and aren't trolling and intentionally feeding.

When someone gets a permanent ban, Riot doesn't want them back. Why would any player be induced to buy more things after they get banned? It's really not difficult to not flame someone.

Yes, and I agree that it caused problems, as I was playing when that system was around, but doesn't this system also cause the problem of creating a new account and flaming even more since they don't care anymore?

They care a lot about the players who aren't flaming others and aren't trolling and intentionally feeding.

Have they shown that they care though? Do you know the rewards that will be given to players who finish Honor Level 5 this season. The rewards are 2 skins on Warwick and Twitch, one on each, and both skins were released in 2010, so does that show that they respect players who don't flame in their games? If they truly cared, they would make it obvious, and they wouldn't throw some ancient skins in the faces of everyone who worked hard and kept themselves cool in the most difficult situations

ModThe DjinnJul 13, 20192 votes

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Yes, and I agree that it caused problems, as I was playing when that system was around, but doesn't this system also cause the problem of creating a new account and flaming even more since they don't care anymore?

Nope. Based on what Riot has said about the current system, most banned players DO stop playing League. Some don't, and some are especially persistent, but this current system leads to the largest net toxicity reduction of the models tested.