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Why no punishment for players who refuse to play their assigned role?

Blob The Builder··4 votes·767 views

Played a game a few days ago as Quinn jungle, our mid decided he was going to jungle instead so he picked Olaf then proceeded to counter jungle me the whole game. Said he didnt realize he got mid yet still proceeded to go through the game taking my jungle and leaving mid alone. I know for a fact at least 2 people on my team reported but based on chat log fairly sure 4/5 people on my team reported him as well as some of the enemy team, yet no message of successful punishment. I completely 100% understand that people have bad games and rage and are rude to their teammates, I;ve been there, I've had those days and I completely understand not wanting to ban someone for having a bad day. But when this kind of stuff happens I feel like that should be instant punishment. It's not fair to me to waste a minimum of 20 min of my life not being able to play the game as my role yet also not being able to just afk without receiving a punishment of my own, while this guy gets to ruin the entire game for everyone and walk away scot-free.

13 Comments

KVbqbFsC8e2 votes

That is a punishable offense, but one that the automated system cannot detect. And someone would likely have to do that pretty often to receive any punishment.

Kei1432 votes

You only recieve a punishment notification (on verbal abuse & intentional feeding offenses) if the game you reported them in was the game that punished them.

Role stealing is indeed a manual audit punishment, thus you'll never recieve any notification in that regards.

Chønklord2 votes

Also you only need one report to get the system to flag them for review; no more, no less. One is the number of reports you need. Two is too many, 3 is just out of the question.

Maximum Morde2 votes

One reason is that positions are to help you decide where to deploy if you want to play meta. If you aren't playing meta then it's meaningless. However, there is a difference between breaking meta and trolling. Manual review will catch the difference and punish

DemonCrow2 votes

I just had a game. Sydra took support role and guess what? She didnt even build as support with no wards. End up bot is lost then late game went afk. Best she just get perma banned and uninstall the game.

Blob The Builder1 votes

See I can be ok with this its someone who got the role and is trying something to break the meta sometimes that stuff works sometimes it doesnt. Taking a role that you didnt get and abandoning the role you were assigned isnt meta breaking it devalues my game play because I am put behind the entire game and theres nothing I can do to change that. With a crappy support you can still have some what of control over what you do and how you play.

Justicial2 votes

Role-stealing is just annoying. I mean, it indicates more of a desire to eff off than to purely "mix up the meta."

I just had a griefer steal my intended AD botlane, then when I went support, he proceeded to go AP midlane and feed the opposing Ahri. So we had no bot and no mid. Granted, griefer in question is not bad at the champ. He can dive and gank. He can get kills. He can teamfight.

But the behavior is malicious. That's my issue. Really, he belongs in a museum :P Ezreal

Blob The Builder2 votes

Upvoting for museum reference

Blob The Builder1 votes

Thanks for the replies but what this shouts to me is Riot: Its ok to troll and make peoples games completely unfun....as long as you don't do it REALLY REALLY often.

Kei1431 votes

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Thanks for the replies but what this shouts to me is Riot: Its ok to troll and make peoples games completely unfun....as long as you don't do it REALLY REALLY often.

Let's reverse the question then.

What do you think is required to get Riot to manually review the game?

Justicial2 votes

What is required for a manual review of the game from Riot?

Good question. I don't know. I don't feel comfortable submitting a report on a griefer in Normal Draft, because in the grand scheme of things, it's not important.

But hey, the guy shouldn't treat Draft like Blind or even Co-Op vs. AI. I don't care how much mastery or experience he has with a champ. Because I'm not inconvenienced by his competence. Or his ability to change the meta. Or his boldness.

I'm inconvenienced by his lack of cooperation and disregard for teamwork. When he says to me, "gosh, it sucks that you suck" what he means is "You clearly don't have the skill to bend the rules like I can."

That's hardly how a person should use their power or their responsibility.

Blob The Builder1 votes

I mean if it got multiple reports all they have to do is look at roles that were assigned and match it up with the first 3 min of gameplay where I steal enemies red then go to my jungle and its gone to Olaf, then I try and just let it go but he starts taking camps that I am trying to take, have a look at the chat log also where he admits he is not supposed to be jungle but then continues to take the jungle while enemy zed plows down mid. if he got multiple reports and I know for a fact that he got at the very least 2 and didnt recieve an automatic punishment from the probably 4+ reports that should at the very least be enough to initiate a manual review. And I know since their punishment was not automatic I didnt receive a notification but still would be nice to get a message letting me know they took action instead of me feeling like this dudes just getting away with wasting peoples time.

Kei1431 votes

Unfortunately, Riot's "feedback" isn't the greatest and it does make people feel like people are getting away with shit like this.

Fortunately, Riot is aware of this problem. While they did mention that they are actively working on the new client & honors system, I am hoping they will come up with something like this when they start working on behavioral visibility.

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