Permanent Bans should be removed. Accounts should be eligible to be played again after 1 year.
People change over time. I think it's wrong to not acknowledge that.
These accounts could be played again and receive scaling punishments. 1 year, 5 years, etc.
This is because a perm ban doesn't remove the player from the community. I just don't agree with the implications of permanent bans.
RageQ28 votesYet it's not Riots fault if their breaking some of the borderline rules, yes there are some rules that don't generally pass the line, but Riot still perm bans it, which of course could be changed (i.e. warnings and scaling suspension like you stated), but some of the rules are already told from Riot in their Terms of Use and Tribunal (Which unfortunately is going under some maintenance at the moment), but some of the parts in Terms of Use state reasoning to permanent bans:
"2.1.3. The Tribunal®. The Tribunal® system allows our community of users to police the compliance of other users with the “Summoner’s Code,” which outlines the principles of ideal game play behavior, as well as with our other policies. Community members, including you, may submit descriptions of activity and actions of certain users within the Game, and collectively determine if that particular user was in compliance with our policies. If The Tribunal determines, in its sole discretion, that you have violated one of our policies, we may suspend or terminate your account on behalf of the community."
"2.2 ... You understand and agree that using the Riot Services comes with the risk that your account may be terminated or suspended and that, whenever you use the Riot Services, you’ll bear this risk in mind and always conduct yourself appropriately."
It is solely their decision on whether or not the ban should be proceeded with. If it's a yes and you're violated a rule then Riot has all rights to ban you, it's their game in fact. It can also be on the behalf of the community, i.e. Flamers, Trolls, Rude/Unsportsmanlike Behaviours. I see countless people blaming Riot even though half of it was viewed and token action upon our own community, the only thing Riot did was judge the report.
They also have "Code of Conduct" (Section 5) which explains all in-game behaviours that have risk of suspension. Generally people never read stuff like this, which will cost them these bans, this is in no way Riots fault.
xReadyPlayerOnex1 votesYet it's not Riots fault if their breaking some of the borderline rules, yes there are some rules that don't generally pass the line, but Riot still perm bans it, which of course could be changed (i.e. warnings and scaling suspension like you stated), but some of the rules are already told from Riot in their Terms of Use and Tribunal (Which unfortunately is going under some maintenance at the moment), but some of the parts in Terms of Use state reasoning to permanent bans:
"2.1.3. The Tribunal®. The Tribunal® system allows our community of users to police the compliance of other users with the “Summoner’s Code,” which outlines the principles of ideal game play behavior, as well as with our other policies. Community members, including you, may submit descriptions of activity and actions of certain users within the Game, and collectively determine if that particular user was in compliance with our policies. If The Tribunal determines, in its sole discretion, that you have violated one of our policies, we may suspend or terminate your account on behalf of the community."
"2.2 ... You understand and agree that using the Riot Services comes with the risk that your account may be terminated or suspended and that, whenever you use the Riot Services, you’ll bear this risk in mind and always conduct yourself appropriately."
It is solely their decision on whether or not the ban should be proceeded with. If it's a yes and you're violated a rule then Riot has all rights to ban you, it's their game in fact. It can also be on the behalf of the community, i.e. Flamers, Trolls, Rude/Unsportsmanlike Behaviours. I see countless people blaming Riot even though half of it was viewed and token action upon our own community, the only thing Riot did was judge the report.
They also have "Code of Conduct" (Section 5) which explains all in-game behaviours that have risk of suspension. Generally people never read stuff like this, which will cost them these bans, this is in no way Riots fault.
Blaming the customer for ignorance is something many corporations do in order to avoid litigation and increase profit margins at the customers expense. That it's spelled out in some document we're forced to agree to with absolutely no recourse is wrong when dealing with a player base that's most under the age of 30. It takes time for people to figure things out. I'm not the same person I was a year ago. Neither are you.
AeroWaffle3 votesThe punishments before the perma-ban step are that chance to figure out that their behavior is unacceptable.
You can't really claim, "I didn't know <x> behavior was unacceptable", when the system has already punished you a couple of times already for the behavior.
xReadyPlayerOnex1 votesThe punishments before the perma-ban step are that chance to figure out that their behavior is unacceptable.
You can't really claim, "I didn't know <x> behavior was unacceptable", when the system has already punished you a couple of times already for the behavior.
No, you can't. But I know I couldn't control what I said when I was 12 and If I wanted to pick the game back up at 18 and play on an account I put thousands of hours into... wouldn't it be nice to come back to that? To be told you've gotten a second chance?
AeroWaffle3 votesIt's the account that had the infractions, so it's the account that is issued a punishment.
The fact that you may or may not have changed is irrelevant, you still behaved in a way that caused the perma-ban in the first place. Your current behavior doesn't change your past behavior.
xReadyPlayerOnex1 votesIt's the account that had the infractions, so it's the account that is issued a punishment.
The fact that you may or may not have changed is irrelevant, you still behaved in a way that caused the perma-ban in the first place. Your current behavior doesn't change your past behavior.
I think you'll find this world isn't one of absolutes and permanence. Justice Systems all over the world have found it's more detrimental than good to focus on punishment rather than reform. And RIOT's system is no different. The reform isn't focused upon half as much as the punishment.
RageQ21 votesBlaming the customer for ignorance is something many corporations do in order to avoid litigation and increase profit margins at the customers expense. That it's spelled out in some document we're forced to agree to with absolutely no recourse is wrong when dealing with a player base that's most under the age of 30. It takes time for people to figure things out. I'm not the same person I was a year ago. Neither are you.
I get your point, but I'm just trying to counter act by saying its our own player base that makes the calls, not Riot. Yes people change and I mean sure Riot could always put a warning on it like on the boards, which I stated in my comment already, but that's all I'm really trying to get at. Their Terms or "Rules" should be taken into hand by their users and if not then it's more of their problem rather then Riots. That is of course if it's through human error on Riots behalf. Just my opinion on the matter and I wont judge others, but take them into mind.
Wonderlands6 votesProblem with that is:
xReadyPlayerOnex1 votesProblem with that is:
- Start a new smurf account to be toxic on for a year disregarding bans
- Back on old account probably not learning the lesson.
Both of these are assumptions and one of them already happens. Besides, you can then ban them again and next time for 5 years...
IsoVhell4 votesNah perma ban is good for toxic or cheats.
xReadyPlayerOnex1 votesNah perma ban is good for toxic or cheats.
Cheaters fine. There's a problem there that can't be corrected any other way. Although banning people cause they got a razer mouse isn't cool either.
For toxic I don't agree. Much changes over time.
HexaDecimel4 votesYou should really find something better to do than downvote people who disagree with you
xReadyPlayerOnex2 votesYou should really find something better to do than downvote people who disagree with you
Downvoted!
IsoVhell1 votesToxic as well the need to learn.
EvilDustMan3 votesNah.
DrCyanide3 votesI see where you're coming from. I'm not certain I agree, but I could see a case for such a change where the cause of the punishment was a slow escalation through the tiered punishment system. There's a chance the player who regularly steps out of line and lashes out at their teammates would chill in a year.
However, I still think there should be a permaban category. Death threats, "kys", racial slurs, etc are the kind of language that is severe enough it should be meet with equally severe punishments. The message for those things should be loud and clear, you don't do this, ever.
Astôlfo2 votes"Permanent Bans should be removed. Accounts should be eligible to be played again after 1 year." No.
"People change over time. I think it's wrong to not acknowledge that." No one cares if they've changed over time. It doesn't matter.
"These accounts could be played again and receive scaling punishments. 1 year, 5 years, etc." Or no, they can just stay perma'd.
"This is because a perm ban doesn't remove the player from the community. I just don't agree with the implications of permanent bans." It does, unless they make another account. And if they do, unless they've reformed, they'll get banned again. And again. And again. Until they give up. Whether or not you agree is irrelevant. You're not the one deciding.