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Let Mè Eat Your·8/20/2019, 2:20:25 AM·1 votes·1,941 views

Game 1 Pre-Game Let Mè Eat Your: jg In-Game Let Mè Eat Your: report xin for feeding Let Mè Eat Your: Honestly double JG is op Let Mè Eat Your: rperot Let Mè Eat Your: idk.. Let Mè Eat Your: funny thing is that i saw all roles taken and only role left is jg. so i went jg without saying anything cuz it was obvious Let Mè Eat Your: then the game started Let Mè Eat Your: now my entire team is salty for no reasons Let Mè Eat Your: they telling me that im top but im jg. ??????????? what a nice community :D Let Mè Eat Your: i even have smite on when no one had it on. so whos real troll? me or the guy who stole my role? Let Mè Eat Your: xin is flaming me Let Mè Eat Your: please, i have smite whole time. Let Mè Eat Your: also all roles are taken but jg Let Mè Eat Your: so sion, please educate me Let Mè Eat Your: no you. Let Mè Eat Your: why are you asking me to, varus Let Mè Eat Your: ask that jg Let Mè Eat Your: cant force me when i want to jg. Let Mè Eat Your: that being said, my team is flaming me and im reporting them. Let Mè Eat Your: thank you. Let Mè Eat Your: honestly i hope you all acknolwedge how toxic this xin is. report him and i dont care if you report me. at least im playing and Let Mè Eat Your: and im enjoying a game at least. itas blind play after all. casual game. :L Let Mè Eat Your: bruh just stop harassing me Let Mè Eat Your: Please?? Let Mè Eat Your: i literally said nothing Let Mè Eat Your: entire game Let Mè Eat Your: enemy team, pls report my team. they been harassing me. its stressing me out. Let Mè Eat Your: inted? what is inted??? Let Mè Eat Your: no. stop lying. Let Mè Eat Your: please just stop. Let Mè Eat Your: you are proving my point Let Mè Eat Your: ur all flaming me. im asking you nicely to stop it. Please. stop. Let Mè Eat Your: Please?? Let Mè Eat Your: Our Xin is literally afk and ur flaming me instead of him. wth. Let Mè Eat Your: enemy team, please report my team. you witnessed them harassing me when i asked them to stop. Post-Game Let Mè Eat Your: dont report sivir Let Mè Eat Your: sivir didnt flame me Let Mè Eat Your: actually Let Mè Eat Your: i do remember your name sometimes before Let Mè Eat Your: we probably played in 3v3 Let Mè Eat Your: ok. Let Mè Eat Your: ill see a doctor Let Mè Eat Your: and ask him for cyanide Let Mè Eat Your: lol Let Mè Eat Your: you all are funny Let Mè Eat Your: giving so much evidence Let Mè Eat Your: :D Let Mè Eat Your: i have said nothing wrong Let Mè Eat Your: such as? Let Mè Eat Your: thats about it? lol Let Mè Eat Your: what is inting Let Mè Eat Your: srsly Let Mè Eat Your: you are not gonna help me Let Mè Eat Your: to understand?

37 Comments

rujitra8/20/2019, 2:22:03 AM4 votes

Constant harassment and abuse of another player. Doesn't matter if "they started it" or if they "were worse" - harassing, berating, arguing with, or absuing other players in chat is not acceptable.

Let Mè Eat Your8/20/2019, 2:28:34 AM1 votes

Be reasonable. You are missing the context. report xin for feeding was a joke if you see it in game play.

Let Mè Eat Your8/20/2019, 2:30:24 AM1 votes

Also, really??? Merely asking for reports are considered as harassing and verbal abuse? How low standards do this community have??? Literally, you all are encouraging to limit my freedom of speech.

Let Mè Eat Your8/20/2019, 2:43:43 AM1 votes

This literally explains why majority of games have quiet people. Everyone are afraid of saying a wrong thing. This is sad. I actually respect and understand what Riot is trying to do but they have low standards.

Let Mè Eat Your8/20/2019, 2:46:45 AM1 votes

I'm not trying to be a jerk. I"m literally trying to help by asking for reports on them. Never have I actually know that it's considered as harassment and verbal abuse. I didn't spread negativity that game. I believe I did the opposite.

Over 80% of players never get a single chat restriction. Probably because they actually never said anything. 98% of my games have quiet people, no pings. Nothing. It's not that hard but is it making my games enjoyable? No. I can't play games without worrying about whether I said will be negative or not based on Riot's low standards. I can mute all but how would that be helpful? It would be incredibly bored matches if I do. You claim that asking for reports are considered as harassment and verbal abuse. I'm telling you that I did not know that. I actually think that's ridiculous because that's not my intention anyways? Smh.

KFCeytron8/20/2019, 2:46:51 AM1 votes

So, it has come to this: someone displayed misbehavior in a LoL match in flagrant disregard for the game's rules, ToS, EULA, and Summoner's Code. That's unfortunate, and I'm sorry you had to deal with it. If this misbehavior happened in chat (including emotes or ping) and they don't respond positively to a single, courteous, constructive request to focus on the game, your best option is to mute that player. Submit a report after the match. This is equivalent to dealing with a noisy person in a library by asking them to keep it down and then notifying library staff and moving to another area.

Do not respond with misbehavior of your own! If you do that, your teammates may mute and report you, and those reports would be valid. This is equivalent to dealing with a noisy person in a library by getting into a shouting match with them. Just because someone else started it doesn't justify you in continuing it. I'm sure you're familiar with the "s/he started it" trope, where two children get into an argument or fight and then try to claim innocence of any wrongdoing by claiming that they didn't instigate it. As any parent, teacher, or other supervisor of children will tell you, that excuse doesn't fly. When Dad is trying to drive you to Disneyland and your annoying brother starts making faces at you as he's previously been told not to, you should calmly ask him to stop, and then, if that doesn't work, calmly notify your parents of the problem. Making faces at him or shouting at him has never been a good way to get him to stop, and it makes you just as guilty of that as he.

Riot doesn't care who started it. Someone else's misbehavior does not justify your own.

From Riot's support knowledgebase:

  • Simply speaking, retaliation is not an acceptable or justifiable behavior. An argument between two players can easily create a negative experience for the rest of the players in the game with you. Regardless of the other player’s actions, this does not justify your own behavior. You alone are responsible for your actions within the game.If you encounter a toxic player like this, the best option is to simply report their behavior and move on.
  • Reports are a vital piece to the puzzle. If you are not sure of what sort of behavior is reportable take a look at the Reporting a Player FAQ

If you misbehave but a teammate or opponent does or says something even worse, you should definitely report them after the match, just as someone reported you for your own misbehavior. Yes, that's certainly possible. Reports are not a limited resource. Any time someone believes that another player violated LoL's behavioral standards, they can report that player. Punishments are similarly not limited: if more than one player in a game merits a punishment, they can both get a punishment. This can happen even if the players in question were antagonizing each other. The IFS doesn't need to weigh the severity of all reported players' actions and then "award" the "winner" with a punishment; it's not a contest.

Think of it like dealing with a noisy person in a library: ask them to keep it down, and then notify library staff and move to another area if that doesn't work. If you get into a shouting match with them, you're just as likely to be removed, even if you weren't shouting quite as loudly as they were. The goal is a quiet library.

In a perfect and just world, everyone who deserved a punishment would get one. In reality, it is possible for some punishable behavior to go unpunished. First, punishments in LoL can only occur after a valid report. Second, punishments take into account the consistency and severity of the punished player's misbehavior: if two players in a match break the same rule in the same way, one who consistently misbehaves in this way might get a punishment while the other who almost never does so gets away without a punishment (this time). At the end of the day, though, all this does is explain how differences in player behavior over many games can produce different results for equivalent behavior within a single game. It doesn't excuse poor behavior. One person having a rare bad day doesn't give a consistently toxic player the right to join in. The only behavior that matters in your punishment is your own... and a good thing, too: how would you feel if you behaved yourself but got punished anyway just because all your teammates were spectacularly friendly, communicative, and positive?

KFCeytron8/20/2019, 2:48:23 AM1 votes

The only chat messages included in your chat log are your own for a single, extremely good reason: they are the only ones taken into account for your punishment, because they're the only ones in your control. The things other players said and did in your match might produce in you an impulse to do certain things that may include breaking LoL's rules, but your behavior is your own, and you are responsible for it. If you really think about it, this is a good thing. If a toxic player's goading could exempt you from punishment for your flaming them, calling for reports, etc., then it would logically go the other way as well, resulting in punishments for players who didn't necessarily break any rules but weren't quite as friendly and positive as their teammates. Can you imagine a world where "didn't participate in the dance party and ignored all of our jokes" was a valid report that could get someone suspended for two weeks? We don't want that situation anymore than we want "called our support a braindead waste of space" to be considered an invalid report just because, say, the support was telling their team to harm themselves while they merrily ran it down mid.

Your opinion of the rules is of zero relevance. When a cop stops you for going 40 in a 25 zone, you can claim "I think the limit should be 45 here" all you want. You're still getting a ticket. If a librarian asks you to keep your voice down while you use the facilities, shouting that libraries should be loud will simply get you escorted out. If you go to a friend's house who insists that you remove your shoes while you're in their home, "that's a stupid rule and I do what I want" will lose you a friend. If you are using someone else's services, facilities, equipment, etc., you abide by their rules or you deal with the consequences. If you think the rules should change, that is a completely different conversation (and I wouldn't give a plugged nickel for your chances at convincing Riot to change their rules to allow behavior like yours).

From Riot's support knowledgebase:

We work with the overall community and within our own company guidelines to identify what disruptive behavior is and what the consequences for those behaviors should be. We understand that it can be difficult to know where the line is, which is why we provide chat logs and we have a few tiers in the ban process in order to allow for you to learn and grow.

You are certainly allowed to defend yourself from toxic chat, which is accomplished by muting. This is a 100% effective method. Flaming back is a 0% effective method that also constitutes unacceptable behavior and thus opens you up to reports and punishments. Read about this in more detail here.

You have a right to free speech, guaranteed by the government. However, so does everyone else. This right only protects you from the governnment, which is restricted from passing laws that infringe on your right to free speech, assembly, and so on. It doesn't force other private entities, such as Riot Games, to provide you with a platform and compel everyone to listen to you. We all have the right not only to speak freely, but also to not listen if we so choose. When Riot restricts your chat privileges (not a right - a privilege), they are choosing not to listen to what you have to say, and choosing not to transmit it to other players. If a theater employee asks you to quiet down during a movie, or a friend tells you not to swear at their house, or a newspaper rejects your submission, they are not infringing on your right to free speech. They are exercising their own.

Just because this behavior is permitted and/or prevalent in other games doesn't mean it's okay in LoL, in the same way that you can legally drive at highway speeds on a highway but not in a residential area. Rules in other games have no bearing on your punishment in LoL.

From Riot's support knowledgebase:

Do not threaten or repeatedly tell a player you will report them. Doing so can encourage players who are already negative to continue their behavior. Whether they know they are being reported or not has no bearing to whether the system will act on them. But most importantly, repeatedly threatening or arguing with a negative player can end up derailing the game for everyone else and then open yourself up to reports and possible disciplinary action as well. Avoid negative thoughts and useless chatting with poor performing teammates! Focus on victory by muting the offending player and then reporting them at the end of the game.

Do not ask other players in the match to report the offending player. It only takes one report for our systems to review a game. Additional reports will not do anything for the offending player; however as mentioned above, it could open yourself up to a report of your own; especially if you are derailing the match by constantly demanding reports of other players.

Let Mè Eat Your8/20/2019, 2:55:35 AM1 votes

I understand but the thing is that the ban system implied that it takes heavy reports to get punishments. That's why I asked for reports... I honestly swear to god I was chilling that game. This ban literally happened few minutes ago right after the said game few minutes ago before the ban. It tilted me because it should be all about intentions. My intention is not to harass and abuse them. That should be what matters.

Let Mè Eat Your8/20/2019, 3:11:34 AM1 votes

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/PzY1ArN3-we-dont-ban-people-for-asking-for-reports

Let Mè Eat Your8/20/2019, 3:54:27 AM1 votes

How do you know that it's in an attempt to flame/blame??? That's my point...