I just realized something...

Mal the Red·Jan 13, 2018·2 votes·536 views

I'm going to be toxic because the environment is unavoidable in this game.

I was just Auto-Filled Support with an ADC and Jungler that fed my lane opponents. I tried to pull up a surrender vote and it failed 1 to 4.

This is nowhere near a rarity. This is a very common occurrence in my matches. In this particular match I held my tongue as long as I could, but I exploded after a while as 3 more surrender votes failed 1 to 4 and we were just losing more and more towers, more and more lives, more and more objectives. And my team just dismissed my grievances as simply "being salty."

It was clear to me that these matches are not winnable after a certain point, but I feel like I'm the only one who ever sees it how it is.

I suppose what I want to ask is how to PROPERLY deal with this scenario. Because the way I acted only caused my team, and the enemy team, to express desire to report me.

It didn't solve anything.

11 Comments

Kei143Jan 13, 20182 votes

throws happen all the time. Especially in low ELO, people don't know how to close out games. If you failed 4 surrender votes and still playing, it means that there is a way to win, you just don't see it as your skill level may not be up there.

EL HAMSTEROJan 13, 20182 votes

there are ways to make surrender votes more successful.

dont just spam surrenders on cooldown. wait for the right moment. right after a badly lost team fight is the absolute best time. if two or more teammates are arguing it can also be a good time to try a vote.
dont try to convince people to surrender. it doesnt work. the only thing you are likely to accomplish is to get your teammates to dig their heels in. now they can never surrender because it would be admitting they were wrong and you were right. you also will end up getting reported.
try playing a different region. NA players dont like to ff. no idea why but in our region only about 15% of games end in surrender. europe is slightly higher and in korea nearly 30% end in surrender. if you really want to play with less optimists then play in korea.

you arent the only one who loves a surrender vote. good luck!

Built to TyltJan 13, 20181 votes

Stop playing the game. Seriously. It's shit and terrible one-sided with no amount of skill required to win. Button-mashers = wins.

Find something else worth your time, mate, because this company and this product are not.

MachstDuBierHaseJan 13, 20181 votes

This game is up for all ages, therewithin lies the problem.

IF you make this game 14+ and ask for a ID to register ALL your accounts, this game is much easier manageable and you could decrease toxicity. But hey.. lets argue about lootboxes first isntead of management

ModiJan 13, 20182 votes

It is not up for all ages.

http://www.esrb.org/ratings/Synopsis.aspx?Certificate=32211&Title=League+of+Legends

In addition, the ToU explicitly states (in the very first section)

###1.1. Am I eligible to use the Riot Services? (You must be at least 13 years old and an adult must accept this Agreement.) Only people ages 13 or older may create an account or use the Riot Services. If you’re at least 13 years old, but not yet legally considered an “adult” in the country you live in, you must ask one of your parents (or other legal guardians) to read this Agreement and accept it on your behalf. You may not create or use an account or use any of the Riot Services on behalf of a legal entity or for a commercial purpose.

Asking for ID is untenable, given that not very many aged 15-16 have valid identification. Also, how would Riot prevent identity fraud? They cannot guarantee that the person registering is the same person playing on the account. With that, they DO ask for a date of birth. At least in the United States, they must be compliant with COPPA. This is largely a "cover your ass" situation. Even though it is nearly impossible to validate the age of the player, they must ask for a date of birth. Guess what? You can Lie on those forms.

All that aside, you are (indirectly) making an unqualified claim, that people below the age of 14 are the most toxic. I would argue that Tyler1, is a perfect example that toxicity is not focused on a singe age group.

MachstDuBierHaseJan 13, 20181 votes

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It is not up for all ages.

Since there is no repucation or verification check, this is a legal grey area. Underage Kids have been known to play and they have beein ignored, and why would they be banned or the account hold without confirmation?

Thus said, beeing above 14 does not grant you maturity.

In addition, the ToU explicitly states (in the very first section) Only people ages 13 or older may create an account or use the Riot Services. If you’re at least 13 years old, but not yet legally considered an “adult” in the country you live in, you must ask one of your parents (or other legal guardians) to read this Agreement and accept it on your behalf. You may not create or use an account or use any of the Riot Services on behalf of a legal entity or for a commercial purpose.

See above

Asking for ID is untenable, given that not very many aged 15-16 have valid identification. Also, how would Riot prevent identity fraud? They cannot guarantee that the person registering is the same person playing on the account. With that, they DO ask for a date of birth. At least in the United States, they must be compliant with COPPA. This is largely a "cover your ass" situation. Even though it is nearly impossible to validate the age of the player, they must ask for a date of birth. Guess what? You can Lie on those forms.

Lets say you need a valid ID - based upon the Area you live in - that will be confirmed by Riot Games with a 2 way auth (PostIdent). The account can be used for 30(or 60) days, afterwards the code sent to you via mail must be used to keep the account alive.

No ID can be used twice to create an account (Each Account can hold up to 10 Smurfs; upgradeable by CashShop); People share personal data everywhere, they would possibly resist and and react out - but in the long run they would accept it and since death threats, flaming and insults are a legal issue you got a valid ID with an adress to prosecute.

but please keep in mind that people are playing all around the world and think they are entitled to everything, no - they are not

All that aside, you are (indirectly) making an unqualified claim, that people below the age of 14 are the most toxic. I would argue that Tyler1, is a perfect example that toxicity is not focused on a singe age group.

Tyler1 is one player out of 4.000.000+ and while he often insults people harshly--- even I tend to agree every now and then that he shouldnt be matched with certain ppl or that some of those ppl he plays with or against shouldnt play at all. but who am I to make that claim?

Jo0oJan 13, 20181 votes

If losing a game causes you to be toxic, that's your own damn problem. The burden is on you to understand how to lose with grace. After all, that's gonna be 50% of the matches you play. We've all had bad teammates, we've all BEEN the bad teammate. Doesn't mean you get to flame people.

nerak23Jan 13, 20181 votes

You spam surrender and wonder why the team is not happy with you.

AJStarhikerJan 13, 20181 votes

Americans love underdogs

We love seeing upsets against top teams in sports or the little guys winning against a big, bad corporation. We love stories and movies about people succeding despite severe disadvantages. And refusing to surrender is either a conscious or subconscious desire to be that success story, even if it's just for that game.

Europe, Korea, and other regions have their own value sets that influence their willingness to surrender.