A Serious Inquiry on Proper Communication

iDrink Moar Beer··1 votes·567 views

I recently just finished up a 10-game chat restriction which was handed to me due to a game where I used some particularly negative language. Now, at first I thought it was a little absurd since it was the first time I've been punished in awhile for what I said in chat, mostly because unless it's about the game, I've learned more or less to not even use chat.

Looking at what I said, there were a few "fuck yous" and "you sucks" thrown about (the chat audit doesn't show whom I was responding to), but I was getting the "fuck yous" back as well so I stooped to their level and played patty-cake, which in result led to a report or multiple reports I mean.

I'm not excusing my behavior, without a doubt that is negative language that is not beneficial in a team-based game, but what I am more concerned about is the individuals that incite negative behavior due to malicious and legitimate toxic behavior. When I think toxic, I think negative energy or thoughts that provoke or incite behavior equal to or worse than what the originator of the negativity had in mind.

For instance, I just played a game where someone felt the need to tell our team and the other team (in /all chat) that we should report a teammate due to something very elementary. In addition, said player also had to remind our team that he was muting and screenshotting what our teammate was saying or doing as well. To me, I think that sort of behavior is in some ways worst than what is actually being said. Now you really are dividing a team when you have to go about and call out a teammate to the other team in /all chat like they really care to begin with...

Let's be real, some people may report, but a team is not going to lose sleep if they realize that their opponents are ripping each other apart in the /all chat. In a way, it can be seen as an advantage, just being brutally honest...

5 Comments

Lothàrs Edge3 votes

Yeah it's a definitely far from perfect in that aspect.

I know it's not comparable to an IRL situation entirely... but "retaliation" is actually more than welcomed in the real world.

If you start yelling at someone for absurd reasons, its very likely and understandable for the other person to yell back at the very least.

If you start punching someone, its more than understandable to punch back and use as much force as necessary.

If you walk into someone's property, they're allowed to shoot you in certain areas of the world.

BushidoBlade2 votes

I totally agree with you on this @EfficientLazy, however, if you take a look on this board in specific, a lot of players actually believe that it is wrong (?) to retaliate.

It is a mentality that I find quite bothersome because I, myself, have been the target of many micro aggressions in the past through the game and due to my temperament, almost always flame them back or troll them back (ONLY AS A FORM OF RETALIATION).

The amount of incidents that are actually instigated by me is close to zero and I take great pride in that, because of the community that we're in.

It is quite worrisome to me that, in this 'perfect world' that we are supposed to play games in, that we cannot respond to negativity in our own way. I live in the real world where retaliation is acceptable. It is the world that I was born into. It is hard for me to grasp this idealism, this utopia that the vocal minority who posts on this board, thinks that this game should be.

The people who are like me and who are like you too, @EfficientLazy, are probably not on this message board to defend themselves. I have found my posts to be unanimously downvoted whenever I discuss Riot's failing disciplinary system. I have only recently found myself to come back to this board because of a chat ban that I had incurred. If it was not for that ban, I doubt that I would even be here typing this.

I have accepted my punishment since the moment that it was delivered to me. I didn't come to this board in my own defense in the slightest. What is actually keeping me on this board is fighting against this rampant idealism that some are trying to sell.

I have played League since 2010 and have enjoyed the many ups and downs that it has given to me.

I don't want to live in a perfect world. I don't need a safe place.

and I think those that do need to find a different game. not for my sake, for their own sake.

It has been a challenge for me to grow and evolve with this community and I am much better than when I had started, but I don't think that it will ever be this fairy tale world where everyone gets along nice and agrees with each other 100%. It's just not realistic.

Disagreeing and arguing and having our own opinions (even when they are wrong) is what makes us all individuals, and I think some of these vocal minority people are going to find out is that not everyone will be able to fit or want to fit into your idealistic 'box.' So stop trying to shove them in.

The other point that is normally argued is Riot's rules and regulations of the game we all love to play.

A lot of people here bring up the 'Terms of Service' and the 'Summoners Code' when dealing with disciplinary issues. I realize that I don't have any rights when it comes to ownership of my account, and if Riot or Tencent deemed it necessary, they could ban my account for my 'indiscretions,' (in other words, I am not entitled to play League of Legends, and neither is anyone else,) but I tend to believe that violations of a verbal nature are taken much too seriously on this board. Chat banning is the appropriate measure for those violators. What does concern me are Elo Boosters, AFKs, People who legitimately try to throw or rig games, Cheaters, et cetera. But the majority of the complaints on this board are about people who flame or who are being flamed.

Why are the people here focused on such a minor issue? The game even comes with a mute function so that you don't have to see what other people are typing. It comes at a cost, though. If you don't want to be a part of bad discussions, then you choose not to be a part of good discussions, either. Maybe just laugh it off when someone calls you something racist or sexist or whatever, because they don't know you, and they know nothing about you. How can it be offensive unless you are one that is looking for reasons to be offended?

Anyway, I realize that I am not a very Politically Correct person and that my opinion may not appeal to everyone, but if there is one thing I am, it is that I am real. I am not afraid to fight back, I am not afraid of toxicity, and I am not naive enough to believe that handing out chat bans in a game that people play some of the time will amount to any kind of change in their actual behavior.

tl;dr, @EfficientLazy, thank you for your post, you really helped me understand why that I instinctually retaliate to negative behavior, and to others, stop looking for reasons to be offended and just enjoy the game. The community will never be perfect, no matter how many people are disciplined. Love League of Legends for what it is, a great game! Because the ideal game with an ideal gaming community doesn't exist yet (and probably will never).

Lothàrs Edge1 votes

I totally agree with you on this @EfficientLazy, however, if you take a look on this board in specific, a lot of players actually believe that it is wrong (?) to retaliate.

  • I find that as well. Most of them are actually prone to retaliating themselves, they just aren't as blunt with their words. Fortunately or not, systems cannot detect sarcasm very well.

It is a mentality that I find quite bothersome because I, myself, have been the target of many micro aggressions in the past through the game and due to my temperament, almost always flame them back or troll them back (ONLY AS A FORM OF RETALIATION).

  • Yes, I usually say the same things they say to me, back to them. I've resorted to, "no you" or, "you too" as I'm fairly certain I can't be penalized for that.

The amount of incidents that are actually instigated by me is close to zero and I take great pride in that, because of the community that we're in.

  • Unfortunately, a lot of people decide that this positive attribute doesn't matter because of those one or few incidents we retaliated. I attribute it to the society that most of us live in (NA). Capitalist punishment reminds me of the punishment system that Riot has adopted. Hextech rewards vs behavior/reformation reminds me of religion in terms of heaven for good behavior and hell for bad behavior. Some would argue that lack of "free" rewards isn't hell. That isn't what I'm referring to. It's having to tolerate with all the other truly toxic people while being labeled as the same toxic person under the automated system.

It is quite worrisome to me that, in this 'perfect world' that we are supposed to play games in, that we cannot respond to negativity in our own way. I live in the real world where retaliation is acceptable. It is the world that I was born into. It is hard for me to grasp this idealism, this utopia that the vocal minority who posts on this board, thinks that this game should be.

  • Being spoiled, privileged and sheltered may lead many to be overly sensitive without being aware of it. I use to think that I had a relatively upbringing but then I realized that I only had an easy life in comparison to my ancestors and those before me (slavery, etc).

The people who are like me and who are like you too, @EfficientLazy, are probably not on this message board to defend themselves. I have found my posts to be unanimously downvoted whenever I discuss Riot's failing disciplinary system. I have only recently found myself to come back to this board because of a chat ban that I had incurred. If it was not for that ban, I doubt that I would even be here typing this.

  • Most of the time, mine will be too. I don't care much for appeasing the crowd simply to appease the crowd. I have my opinions and such is such.

I have accepted my punishment since the moment that it was delivered to me. I didn't come to this board in my own defense in the slightest. What is actually keeping me on this board is fighting against this rampant idealism that some are trying to sell.

  • Same. I agree that those of us who retaliate extremely so and escalate the situation greatly deserve to be punished, just not in the same fashion as those who are truly toxic.

I have played League since 2010 and have enjoyed the many ups and downs that it has given to me.

I don't want to live in a perfect world. I don't need a safe place.

and I think those that do need to find a different game. not for my sake, for their own sake.

It has been a challenge for me to grow and evolve with this community and I am much better than when I had started, but I don't think that it will ever be this fairy tale world where everyone gets along nice and agrees with each other 100%. It's just not realistic.

Disagreeing and arguing and having our own opinions (even when they are wrong) is what makes us all individuals, and I think some of these vocal minority people are going to find out is that not everyone will be able to fit or want to fit into your idealistic 'box.' So stop trying to shove them in.

The other point that is normally argued is Riot's rules and regulations of the game we all love to play.

A lot of people here bring up the 'Terms of Service' and the 'Summoners Code' when dealing with disciplinary issues. I realize that I don't have any rights when it comes to ownership of my account, and if Riot or Tencent deemed it necessary, they could ban my account for my 'indiscretions,' (in other words, I am not entitled to play League of Legends, and neither is anyone else,) but I tend to believe that violations of a verbal nature are taken much too seriously on this board. Chat banning is the appropriate measure for those violators. What does concern me are Elo Boosters, AFKs, People who legitimately try to throw or rig games, Cheaters, et cetera. But the majority of the complaints on this board are about people who flame or who are being flamed.

  • This is a valid point. As valid as Nexon being able to lock your account for having a username such as "spiderman26". We live in the generation of SJWs- where being offended is the norm.

Why are the people here focused on such a minor issue? The game even comes with a mute function so that you don't have to see what other people are typing. It comes at a cost, though. If you don't want to be a part of bad discussions, then you choose not to be a part of good discussions, either. Maybe just laugh it off when someone calls you something racist or sexist or whatever, because they don't know you, and they know nothing about you. How can it be offensive unless you are one that is looking for reasons to be offended?

  • This is also what bothers me. If someone is pissing me off (and I don't feel like having a pissing match) then I'll mute them and move on. But if I feel like I've had enough, then I will respond to that person (well, use to). For some reason, other people will join in and tell both of us to "stfu and mute each other" despite ignoring the fact that I hadn't said anything up until that point whilst the other person was being disrespectful. Not that I care about their insults, I care about them not being able to tolerate their own behavior. I'm not very much for racist or sexist remarks as they don't have anything to do with the game (whereas being called a garbage-can could arguably be fairly relevant).

Anyway, I realize that I am not a very Politically Correct person and that my opinion may not appeal to everyone, but if there is one thing I am, it is that I am real. I am not afraid to fight back, I am not afraid of toxicity, and I am not naive enough to believe that handing out chat bans in a game that people play some of the time will amount to any kind of change in their actual behavior.

  • Neither am I. Never will be. They won't change, and neither will any one of us who slips up. There may be a few needles in the haystack somewhere that manage to "change" on the surface, but our personas on the internet, never-mind a competitive game, does not translate to real life behavior most of the time. I think people forget that there is such a thing as "sports-rage" and even fans who aren't playing the game go at each other like chickens with their heads lopped off. Where there is emotion, there will be anger and everything else. Where there is anonymity there will be those who speak/type without consequence.

tl;dr, @EfficientLazy, thank you for your post, you really helped me understand why that I instinctually retaliate to negative behavior, and to others, stop looking for reasons to be offended and just enjoy the game. The community will never be perfect, no matter how many people are disciplined. Love League of Legends for what it is, a great game! Because the ideal game with an ideal gaming community doesn't exist yet (and probably will never).

  • No problem. Try to limit yourself, as I have myself. It's fun and healthy in moderate doses, like most things in this world (in my opinion at least). It's not healthy to tolerate someone mouthing off at you the entire game while you help them win. It's dissatisfying to say the least. Be smart, be cautious, be sneaky, be sarcastic. (;
Erdrik2 votes

Umm... What ... exactly is your inquiry?

I see some statements, but no question...

SrbLud1 votes

Report both. Both are escalating and show toxic behaviour. No excuse. He started first is not a valid excuse in LoL.

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