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I am toxic to toxic players

IAmWoralo··5 votes·1,259 views

I don't flame out of the blue and on good days, I don't flame to other flamers either, I just mute them, report them and forget about it. However on bad days, I tend to not mute them and respond with my own salvo of toxic slur.

Why? Because of the feeling of injustice it gives me. I feel attacked by them, and on bad days I respond back. So why don't I just report them and hope for the best. Well that's where the problem starts. It's not just the injustice I feel towards me from the toxic player, but also the injustice I feel from Riot, not responding hard enough towards these players. It seems rare that you get the message that a toxic player has been penalized. If I knew for a certainty that a person that called me a 'monkey', 'cancer', etc would get banned, I would have a lot more peace with it, knowing he would get banned, however the chances of someone that's calling your mother a slut, getting banned are slim, because well he just might be having a bad day.. Well I am having bad days too and for that reason I can flame back without consequences, so it seems.

Toxic behaviour should be punished sooner, but maybe less hard, so people know when they overstepped their boundries. Instead Riot only punished when things are so toxic that it's completely psychotic and that's just too little too late. Give people single day bans for the slightest of things and I'm pretty sure they'll think twice next time they flame, instead of handing out a permaban when someone is the equivalent of Hitler online after a shitload of toxicity.

28 Comments

AraMoOse4 votes

I stopped reading after : I am toxic. The rest is really not important. Stop being toxic and stop finding excuses to justify your toxicity.

IAmWoralo2 votes

Ehm, you have to be pretty ignorant if you don't see how your response is toxic ass hell too...

Arammus4 votes

+111111111111 this so hard ofc fighting toxic with toxic is no solution and its bad. but the thread creator knows this.

Mindspeaker2 votes

{quoted} However on bad days, I tend to not mute them and respond with my own salvo of toxic slur.

There is no justification for combating negativity with more negativity in a video game.

^^^^^What part of this is such difficult concept to comprehend????^^^^^^^^

[{quoted}](name=Magical Player,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=8A669awA,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-12-07T00:03:49.595+0000)

Example? And would you be punished as well in your system?

^^ Good question^^

IMO the punishment system should be** harsher for both instigators and the people who react to them** I think they should take out the chat bans part of the punishment system and go straight to a game ban like a 1 week ban to start.

IAmWoralo2 votes

Talking about no justification is non sense in my opinion, it has nothing to do with justification but with futility. It's pretty futile to flame back to someone who is flaming too, the only outcome is that either they are hurt and/or you get banned. That's the thing with emotions. However talking about justification is non sense. It's like saying violence doesn't solve anything and can never be justified, while the government is out killing people for whatever reason seems JUSTIFIABLE to them.

Mindspeaker1 votes

It's pretty futile to flame back to someone who is flaming too, the only outcome is that either they are hurt and/or you get banned.

i wish more players would realize this.

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Talking about no justification is non sense in my opinion, it has nothing to do with justification but with futility. It's pretty futile to flame back to someone who is flaming too, the only outcome is that either they are hurt and/or you get banned. That's the thing with emotions. However talking about justification is non sense. It's like saying violence doesn't solve anything and can never be justified, while the government is out killing people for whatever reason seems JUSTIFIABLE to them.

see but players need to realize that it matters not what a player thinks is or is not justified when you are a GUEST in Riots house. This is not the real world so you cant use real world examples.

This is a privately owned space where offline rules don't necessarily apply and it is mandatory to follow riots policy

Therefore if RIOT deems there is no justification to meeting toxicity with toxicity that because a indisputable fact and law at the same time no matter what the players opinion is on the subject

Players don't have the " right" to be here you have a privileged. A privilege that can and will be taken away if Riot deems it justified due to that player not following their behavior standards

In other words there is no justification ( according to Riots behavioral policy) and players have no right to

  • be verbally abusive/ verbally offesive
  • react or "defend yourself" against others being verbally abusive
  • chastise those legitimately breaking the rules
  • Chastise those who you don't agree with
  • complain about anything
  • Rant about any personal grievance in the game
  • giving any type of negative commentary regarding whats happening in the game

Doing any of the above can lead to various punishments including permaban's regardless if that player felt they had justification" for acting or responding in away that breaks their behavioral policy

IAmWoralo1 votes

The problem is that 'vigilantes' emerge in a system where the so called system or law doesn't provide enough security to its population. If Riot would do more to penalize players sooner for smaller offenses and maybe give them smaller penalties, the feeling that I stand powerless when someone flames me, would be a lot less. Right now I have the feeling that the only way I can 'hurt' another player that is toxic to me is to hurt them back, because my experience is that most toxic players are not punished for their misbehaviour. That's why I lash out to toxic players.

IAmWoralo1 votes

I know there is no justification for hurting people back, but seeing people go unpunished for the horrid things they say just makes my skin crawl up. When someone says 'go delete go delete' 'nub nub nub, loser' etc and don't get punished that bothers me, especially because these are things people don't just invent on the fly, but are things they say regularly. These manerisms are different from someone having a bad day and saying things like 'You are so bad!' or 'Your champ is retardedly OP'. Yes this is negative and toxic, but those are things that I can imagine someone says when you are destroying them in lane and they have a bad day, but people continuously using words like 'nub' or 'retard' or 'delete pls', why aren't those people identified?

Mindspeaker1 votes

{quoted}

I know there is no justification for hurting people back, but seeing people go unpunished for the horrid things they say just makes my skin crawl up. When someone says 'go delete go delete' 'nub nub nub, loser' etc and don't get punished that bothers me, especially because these are things people don't just invent on the fly, but are things they say regularly. These manerisms are different from someone having a bad day and saying things like 'You are so bad!' or 'Your champ is retardedly OP'. Yes this is negative and toxic, but those are things that I can imagine someone says when you are destroying them in lane and they have a bad day, but people continuously using words like 'nub' or 'retard' or 'delete pls', why aren't those people identified?

mute is your friend.

Let Riot worry about "payback" there may be things happening that you don't even know about.

Mindspeaker1 votes

{quoted}

The problem is that 'vigilantes' emerge in a system where the so called system or law doesn't provide enough security to its population. If Riot would do more to penalize players sooner for smaller offenses and maybe give them smaller penalties, the feeling that I stand powerless when someone flames me, would be a lot less. Right now I have the feeling that the only way I can 'hurt' another player that is toxic to me is to hurt them back, because my experience is that most toxic players are not punished for their misbehaviour. That's why I lash out to toxic players.

but they do ...if you have such strong feelings on this you should be s tarting every game with mute all.

Just speaking for myself ...in the time i been here i probe been called everything a person can be called and then some stuff more stuff that people just made up

Really i feel nothing when that happens ...i just mute and report sometime you get a message that something thing happened most of the time you don't ...that does not mean nothing happens,

the point is ...if you feel the way you are describing then you are letting them beat you.

they want you to feel powerless , hurt , angry all that stuff,and lashing out at other players makes you no better than the person that attacked you,

The best way to beat verbally abusive people or any intentionally disruptive player is to pretend they don't exist.

ignore , mute , report , forget

IcyPepper2 votes

The reason why you can't combat toxicity with more toxicity is because you have teammates who have to deal with your shit on top of theirs.

EvilDustMan2 votes

Your flaming back does nothing. What happens in a shouting match? The other person doesn't just say 'oh sorry', it just gets worse and worse.

IAmWoralo2 votes

Well, glad you got the point there Sherlock..

EvilDustMan4 votes

{quoted}

Well, glad you got the point there Sherlock..

I got the point, you refuse to see the other side.

Magical Player1 votes

Example? And would you be punished as well in your system?

Pandemic Punch3 votes

I believe his argument is that he wouldn't have to be toxic at all if the system actually dealt with toxic players in the first place.

The key word he uses here is "injustice". Meaning, the toxic players that he encounters won't have consequences and he is tired of just laying down and taking it.

Magical Player2 votes

The system can’t predict when people will be toxic it isn’t a future seeing machine

Lying down and taking it I’ll wait to see his self defense chat logs

Pandemic Punch1 votes

Read it again. I think you missed something.

I didn't suggest that the system must predict the future. I suggested that if players who are constantly getting away with toxicity are vast, then there will always be someone baited to respond to it after being called %%%got, %%%%, slut, dumb fuck, or kys for 9 years.

Those insults would be rare if the system was working.

All of that said, I wasn't making a point. I was trying to elaborate OP's point which I think you also misunderstood.

Magical Player1 votes

Agreed to Mindspeaker statement. let me further it a bit If you can't be emotionally in control aka, you spout hate speech because you were baited. Then the game isn't the problem

People are in control let me elaborate a bit

I was baited into killing him officer he wouldn't stop poking me, doesn't sound right But that is the emotional response you'd jump to. Because its easy to be right when you're the one who didn't start it?

Tell me that all makes zero sense(because it should) Both should be punished, the rule is "don't be a dick" not "it's okay to be a dick if someone else is a dick"

Mindspeaker2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Pandemic Punch,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=8A669awA,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-12-07T00:16:04.113+0000)

I believe his argument is that he wouldn't have to be toxic at all if the system actually dealt with toxic players in the first place.

The key word he uses here is "injustice". Meaning, the toxic players that he encounters won't have consequences and he is tired of just laying down and taking it.

seems t o be a wide range of people being punished .... and punished correctly

WookieeCookie (NA) submitted 8 months ago in Player Behavior Player Support Lead - Player Behavior

We stand by these audits; upon review 99% of players audited were correctly disciplined. Intentional Feeders, Bots, cheaters, and rage quitters are all common offenses found through our audits

If you "laying down and taking it" and feel there is too much "Injsutice" then remove yourself from them..... stay out of random ques and just play with premades

There is never going to be a perfect system....well until riot invents a mind probe and scans the minds of the players before they match........

""" ohhh got them this one cant wait to get in game and feed then verbally abuse the team and finally rage quit administering punishment "

Pandemic Punch1 votes

seems t o be a wide range of people being punished .... and punished correctly

What? You just tried to sell a used diaper to someone wanting to purchase an apple. That statement alone is both correct AND incorrect out of context while it makes no sense at all if you include the context.

What is the point you are trying to make with this?

Mindspeaker2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Pandemic Punch,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=8A669awA,comment-id=0000000000010000,timestamp=2017-12-10T11:23:10.836+0000)

What? You just tried to sell a used diaper to someone wanting to purchase an apple. That statement alone is both correct AND incorrect out of context while it makes no sense at all if you include the context.

What is the point you are trying to make with this?

ohhh.... was that to complicated for you.... here let me break it down for you even more ..... maybe will be easier on your comprehension capability

here is the first part

Meaning, the toxic players that he encounters won't have consequences and he is tired of just laying down and taking it.

WookieeCookie (NA) submitted 8 months ago in Player Behavior Player Support Lead - Player Behavior

Intentional Feeders, Bots, cheaters, and rage quitters are all common offenses found through our audits

and my last point was there will always be people who intentionally disrupt games there is never going to be an end to that and as stated above Riot is working to punish all of them

.... if you cant handle that without reacting to it ...stop playing in solo que and only play in premades.

Binding Eclipse1 votes

Agreed on the point of lighter, but more regular punishments doing more to improve people's attitudes, but as it's been stated, no breed of toxicity is justifiable.

Jo0o1 votes

"Don't feed trolls" is Internet 101. When you fail to follow that rule, you hurt the community. When you fail to the extent of being toxic yourself, you hurt yourself. In fact, the only person you DON'T hurt are the trolls, who you're actively rewarding for their poor behavior.

I'd suggest a sharp change in priorities and attitude.

Xidphel1 votes

So, you're toxic.

Woodakoodashooda1 votes

In accordance to your own logic, you deserve to be banned.

IAmWoralo1 votes

In accordance to your own logic.. Wait what logic? What arguments, what anything? Do you even contribute to anything?

IAmWoralo1 votes

You fail to comprehend even the most basic of human emotions do you?

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