(Follow up 2) So Tantram leaves one irrelevant comment and that's it, case closed?

mah1foo··25 votes·7,044 views

Beg my pardon if the title comes out rude, but I'm honestly sick of this.

First the mandatory background explanation though:

  1. I was punished earlier for trying to defend a rather innocent victim who was being verbally harassed by his teammates and even one of my teammates too.
  2. Later Riot support confirmed that the punishment was correct and apparently I "spammed" too much.
  3. After the thread blew up, Riot Tantram left a comment that honestly doesn't answer anything relating the actual issue, and never answered any further comments again.

So, let's tackle into the Tantram's comment, and how it relates to the whole issue and the two other threads:

> I'd have given you a chat restriction if I was hand reviewing this case (which is what the system gave you). > > The top laner said 'open top' and gives up on the team, which is not ok. Then they say to report top for giving up. Even if they got their attitude together and continued to play, of course a statement like that is going to tilt the team. Then you go on a tirade of chat (64 lines in game) .. and 42 lines in post-game where you stick around to call them morons and wish bans upon them. > > Arguing with teammates is not the purpose of chat. I would have muted you after a few comments. It would have been impossible to coordinate with the team over your chatter.

There's quite a lot of discussion about it already on the previous thread, but here are some of the things I'd like to focus on. Please read them all to get a general idea, don't just reply on the first two or three.

  1. He still doesn't answer why he would've given me a chat restriction, as someone points out in the replies, the sentence should continue: "I'd have given you a chat restriction if I was hand reviewing this case, BECAUSE...". Maybe it's because of the after game lobby that he would've punished me, but more on that in point #6.
  2. He mentions the enemy top laner (Darius) saying "open top" and hints at it being good enough reason for his team to tilt. Yet he completely ignores the fact that his team was not helping Darius even when I was taking his second tier turret, does that not justify Darius tilting too then?
  3. The Darius never even actually opened top (other than backing off from turret or I'd dive him), he kept up in farm and did his best to not feed me more. I know this is a little far fetched, but as far as any of us are concerned, it might have been his tactic to fool me into thinking he's not trying, so he can surprise me.
  4. How is the top laner's words related to my punishment or the support team saying I was punished for talking too much?
  5. He talks about me "going on a tirade of chat", a total of 106 lines of text during the game and post-game lobby. I know that's a lot, but I'm a very fast typist on a keyboard, and even if I wasn't, since when is talking a lot against the summoner's code? It would be a different thing if I afked while typing, but 99% of my typing was done during rotations, farming, etc. Like I said I'm a fast typist, I don't need to sit afk in base to type.
  6. He says that I called the enemies morons in the post-game lobby. This is likely true. However, it is completely irrelevant and just a decoy to de-escalate the actual thread. Riot support team never mentioned this in their original reply, they further investigated my punishment and came into the conclusion that the punishment was correct for the reason of me spamming the in-game chat. Whether I was toxic after the game or not doesn't affect the fact that support team didn't take that into account, yet handed out the punishment. This is the issue I was originally trying to tackle. I do not care for my personal punishment, it was merely a 10 game chat restriction, but I do care for the Riot's apparent policy that defending a victim by "talking a lot" is considered a bannable offense.
  7. He says that he would've muted me after a few comments. And he is free to do so, as is anyone else. But that doesn't mean it should be punishable to talk a lot, as long as there's nothing breaking the summoner's code I should be allowed to talk. I wasn't spamming, I was arguing, and relatively politely may I add.
  8. He says it would've been "impossible" to coordinate with the team over my chatter. Someone calculated that I said about one message every 30 seconds, I find it hard to believe that clutters the chat so much that it's impossible to coordinate. Not to mention there are pings that further assist coordinating. And hadn't he already muted me anyways?

And now I want you to forget all 8 points I just made. They're all irrelevant. Those are the minor flaws I was able to come up with by analysing his comment. The major flaws are what you don't see from the comment. The real flaws is what he is ignoring. He never tackled either of the main points of my threads:

  1. It seems to be Riot's stand that you should not stand up for the victims of verbal abuse to show them that they're not alone, not even if you do it rather politely, but instead you should close your eyes and let them be bullied.
  2. You can get banned for talking a lot even if you never break the summoner's code.

He may have shown I flamed someone. He may have let me know that he would've muted me. But he never tackled the real issue. Riot's policy on the issue is absolute madness. And if a further investigation of my comments concluded that talking a lot should be punished, then the system is straight out broken too. And now I'm even more baffled, their way of handling this thing seems to be "leave one comment that defames him as a flamer, and people will forget all the points he's made". This is absurd. There are literally hundreds of comments of people saying that they agree with me that you are supposed to stand up for the weak and the victims of cyber bullying, and now it's all discredited by saying "oh but he flamed someone once". That's not how this works. We want answers.

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RiotRiot Tantram31 votes

You are obviously unhappy with my assessment, as well as unhappy with the Player Support assessment. You've created multiple threads on the manner.

Your story doesn't really add up to what I watched in replay, and the chat logs I pulled.

What I saw was you cause the enemy player to tilt, who then started to intentionally feed you. They ran past you and into minions many times. This obviously caused frustration on the enemy team. In my viewing of the replay .. your chat was used more to frustrate the enemy team than it was to defend a player being bullied. It was akin to :

person : hey that guy punched me (they did) you : no he didn't you : nobody punched you you : if someone punched you you'd know it you : you don't know what a punch is you : you're a bunch of morons who didn't get punched you : i hope you go to jail for accusing someone of punching you x 100+

I gave you my interpretation of things. PSS gave you their interpretation of things. You are more than welcome to open another support ticket and get someone else to look at it if you feel so strongly about it.

It's a chat restriction. The purpose of a chat restriction is to limit your chat so others aren't exposed to so much of your chat, and for you to better understand using chat effectively. I feel the penalty assigned is fitting in this case.

I'm just one person, who saw your post, and watched the replay. Player support tickets are the correct process if you want to appeal your penalty.

MissMikasa5 votes

Seriously?! You think that chat is more meant to "frustrate the enemy team"?! What a way to fucking assume something that clearly wasn't happening there. He has proven over and over again that he was defending someone who was being bullied, NOT "frustrating the enemy team."

This clearly shows why your stupid system is broken. Because people who don't deserve to get punished end up getting it while the ones who do deserve it don't. And what's worse?** Is that you are supporting bullying.** That is just mind blowing and extremely frustrating to see. No wonder Riot is in going down such a shit hole, with things like this happening. And not getting better.

**Can't believe this shit. **

[sg-ahri-3]

Edit: I don't know why you all are downvoting me when I'm defending the OP from a stupid, ridiculous punishment. I should be upvoted for standing up for the stance against bullying. Can't believe this community some times. SMH.

ModPeriscope10 votes

So, we're just gonna brush aside the fact the OP lied to us? That his lane opponent wasn't feeding? And that his chat wasn't intended to defend anyone?

MissMikasa5 votes

The OP never lied, and from what I've seen, the enemy wasn't feeding. Maybe you need to read the guy's post again.

He was defending the guy, which makes this a bullshit punishment, even if he called someone a "moron" in post game chat.

ModPeriscope4 votes

So this part

Your story doesn't really add up to what I watched in replay, and the chat logs I pulled.

What I saw was you cause the enemy player to tilt, who then started to intentionally feed you. They ran past you and into minions many times. This obviously caused frustration on the enemy team. In my viewing of the replay .. your chat was used more to frustrate the enemy team than it was to defend a player being bullied.

Doesn’t matter?

MissMikasa6 votes

No. Cause I don't think Tantram is right there. The OP has said over and over he didn't do that.

Kei1436 votes

Cool, so you think Riot is lying and OP isn't.

We think the other way, where we believe Tantram and think OP is lying.

Tantram has a good reputation on this boards, so his words are more likely to be trusted compared to OP's. Nothing you can do about that fact.

So take those downvotes as people who believe in the other stance compared to yours.

MissMikasa3 votes

I never said that Tantram lied, just that he is wrong.

The OP isn't lying.

And I have never seen Tantram's so called "good reputation." Every time I see him comment, it makes me want to puke with his stance on things.

Nah those downvotes are just people being rude as fuck. Nothin else.

TrulyBland6 votes

I never said that Tantram lied, just that he is wrong.

The OP isn't lying.

And on what exactly do you base this opinion? Tantram's opinion seems to be based not only the chat logs and the post game chat logs, but also the entire replay. I can't wait to hear how you have that beat.

MissMikasa3 votes

He's assuming what the OP was doing was to frustrate the other team without any proof, and the OP has said over and over again his reason for what he did, he never did it to tilt the other team. He was defending someone that was getting bullied and got punished for it.

Maybe you should go look up the OPs other posts as well.

**This is fucking wrong, and Riot should be ashamed of themselves for doing this. **

Leylania6 votes

Mate are you trolling at this point? The Rioter watched the replay of the game where the Darius ran it down top while the OP spammed in all-chat how the Darius is a good guy that is doing nothing wrong. What else is that supposed to achieve if not frustration for the enemy team? And I absolutly don't give a shit about what the OP is telling us, if I'm a judge and a rapist is telling me he is innocent I'm not just going to set him free because of what he says. There is a thing called lies, never heard of it?

MissMikasa2 votes

I'm not trolling. The OP said that the guy tried to stop dying as much as he could. He stood up for him. There is absolute no way that something like that frustrates anyone. It's just mind bonkers to think Tantram just does this all the time- assumes something that isn't true and fucking sticks with the punishment, and this one clearly shows they are allowing bullying to take place.

The OP isn't lying here.

Leylania6 votes

So how do you know the OP isn't lying? Just because he says it or what? Because a Rioter is definitly a more credible source in a situation like this. And please give me links to other posts where Tantram did assume wrong things and didn't lift the punishment, would love to see those.

EvilDustMan7 votes

{quoted}

I am not a troll. I stand up for what is right, and you all should too.

OP would never lie.

Except the dozens of times everyone lies on this board because they think it'll help for some reason.

I didn't boost! I wasn't being toxic! Whatever conspiracy you want to believe, go right ahead.

ZaNJeTsU7 votes

well, thank you for clarifying this, when I read his first post, I thought he really was defending someone was being abused, but now I understand that his enemy was feeding him intentionally and he was defending him, keep up the good work [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

BloodbornS2 votes

Im not entirely sure if the OP was really trying to tilt the other team or not, but for me it doesnt matter that much. I feel like the punishment system has to be redone in certain areas like actually getting a response to weather a player you reported was punished or not. We as the playerbase arent sure about how well the system is performing in detecting players that affect the game negativly because we see so many of them and have no feedback about if something happend to them or not.

Reports should be more visible to players, so we can see the reports against us and the status of reports we submitted.

This thread made me really unsure about the system because from what I found in games its not always the right solution to just mute your team because you still are a team for that game. I find myself more oftern in situations where I have to calm down my team then I'd like and now I dont know if I can be banned just for typing and trying to calm down my team while other people get aways with trolling and wishing death upon others.

Please take this thread seriously because from asking I know that Im not the only one feeling this way.

Barkhoof4 votes

I have been a huge proponent of the system up to now but if what the OP originally posted is accurate, you've tweaked it too heavily to punish. This is not toxic or harassment, this is at worst a semantic argument about whether or not the OP's opponent was int'ing. Let's say your right and he was int'ing: does that make any difference as to whether the OP should be punished? Because, even if he's lying about EVERYTHING concerning the specifics of a situation, he did it without cursing, without name-calling (at least in-game, you never posted post-game stuff), and in a general manner that I doubt would be seen as threatening. Where does that argument stop? So we're going to punish because of incorrect arguments now?

If it was, as your last post said, because of excessive chat, you guys need to get really specific about what constitutes "excessive chat" because you don't ever spell it out. That can't be "I know it when I see it" - we know key hot-button terms not to use, grey areas are no way to run this particular type of system. This does not deserve a punishment and I know it specifically is influencing whether I purchase any RP - not because I'm worried about being punished but that I don't support this particular level of excessiveness.

Altonius Amakiir2 votes

How you are able to calmly deal with things like this each day, I will never understand myself. Keep up the good work, you're an inspiration.

colonel cranc18 votes

cant tell if you are genuinely worried about defending someone and try to justify your case or if you just fish for attention at this point

Ph03n1xb1rd7 votes

Does it really matter?

He pointed out a problem with the system, what Rito is trying to hide, etc... If he does this bc he is worried about somebody, or is just a narcissistic guy craving for attention, it does NOT matter. Rito's system remains the same shit, and this is the point of the post.

PS.: You just gave him attention ;)

mah1foo7 votes

I want the system and/or policies changed. That's it.

Mr Rontastic5 votes

{quoted}

I want the system and/or policies changed. That's it.

Unlikely that'll happen. League of Legends belongs to Riot so they pretty much have every right to do everything they want to it. They won't change their system and/or policies just because you want them to.

mah1foo4 votes

There's nothing to lose.

Quiet Dude6 votes

Dude just take your penalty like a grown man and move on. You were toxic. You were punished. Learn from it and move on. This is embarrassing.

Kei1438 votes

How do you want the policy to change? Allow you to defend them through 106 lines of text and not play the game? Or something else?

EL HAMSTERO4 votes

I mean what even is the policy? maybe that would be a place to start. is typing 106 lines of text not allowed? this is the first I'm hearing about it. what is the maximum chat limit?

Kei1433 votes

105 lines

[leblanc-funny]

Ph03n1xb1rd9 votes

Writing 106 lines WHILE you play the game (look at his stats) does not break any rules, the last time i checked i did not see : " You are not allowed to write more than 105lines in game"

Kei1434 votes

Tbh, I'm still confused why he was punished.

I can understand the post game chat of calling people morons. I can see that he can be minorly annoying by consistently rubbing it into the face of the enemy that the Darius is not inting.

But maybe it's that minor annoyance that is what made it punishable.

130x3 votes

{quoted}

How do you want the policy to change? Allow you to defend them through 106 lines of text and not play the game? Or something else?

The guy had a 10kda in this ranked game, he was playing very well.

Ready 2 B Blamed3 votes

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The guy had a 10kda in this ranked game, he was playing very well.

<<EDITED BY MODERATION>> A KDA score does NOT mean he played well. There's a reason he's silver! It's because of the fact that he's so ignorant of the fact that he's spent half that game typing that he's not gonna climb. I've had good KDA games where I won but saw that I had some apparent mistakes. Some very good KDA games where I lost because those mistakes caught up to me. This guy spent half the game not even thinking about it because he was thinking about something entirely unrelated. Maybe you don't understand the implications of that and how large they'll effect his gameplay but ask any credible analyst, coach. Fuck dude, go to twitch.tv/imls and ask him yourself the problematic implication of typing for half the game. He's a very credible coach who's coached pro teams and got pro players into the scene. He converses with challenger korean players; he's a North American who lives in Korea. I assure you, if you told him the amount of time this silver player spent typing.. Depending on his mood he'll either just straight up tell you: "That's a bad player." or make a hyperbolic reaction that turns into a funny joke.

mah1foo3 votes

A lot of assumptions you're pulling out of your ass.

The guys' fucking silver. A KDA score does NOT mean he played well. There's a reason he's silver! It's because of the fact that he's so ignorant of the fact that he's spent half that game typing that he's not gonna climb.

I'm platinum 3 on my EUNE account, I made a new one on EUW because most of my friends play there. I hit level 30 last week so haven't climbed out of silver yet. I'm pretty sure I can afford to type a little when I'm 7/0 in silver.

This guy spent half the game not even thinking about it because he was thinking about something entirely unrelated. Maybe you don't understand the implications of that and how large they'll effect his gameplay but ask any credible analyst, coach.

You don't know how I spent the game. I'm a fast typist and I mostly typed when farming or rotating. Besides, there really wasn't much thinking other than closing out the game.

Ready 2 B Blamed4 votes

I'm platinum 3 on my EUNE account.

<<EDITED BY MODERATION>>

You don't know how I spent the game. I'm a fast typist and I mostly typed when farming or rotating. Besides, there really wasn't much thinking other than closing out the game.

1m 4 F4sT TyP1sT... Lmao such a hilarious and typical excuse. I know EXACTLY how you played the game, trust me. It doesn't take much context to know. The fact that you held out from saying that you were smurfing and still posted your KDA as if that means you played well says even MORE about you. The more I see on you the more I becomes less and less inclined to believe you had any good intent. And I know there wasn't much of a game to think about. Because in any game with remotely any possible risk of losing; you would have lost if you spent half that game typing. I mean, unless someone's on your team 1v9 carrying.

ModUlanopo2 votes

This has been edited to remove the rank-shaming.

Ready 2 B Blamed1 votes

{quoted}

This has been edited to remove the rank-shaming.

I mean if you think it's rank-shaming then there's plenty of analysts you really need to work on silencing. I wasn't rank-shaming. I was using their rank to analyze their level of knowledge and brought up things that they may not know about in an effort to bring this knowledge to their attention so that they can get better at it. And used it as a point as to why they didn't actually play as well as they could have.

ModUlanopo1 votes

You should leave someone's rank out of any argument you make. If you note, removing that portion of your post did not change your comment. It only removed the unnecessary portion.

Ready 2 B Blamed2 votes

"You should leave someone's rank out of any argument you make". Ah yeah, like I shouldn't bring up any mistake players make because they'll easily be offended, right? It's baffling to me that something like how good someone is at a game has become so political I don't care that he's silver. The difference between silver and diamond is all information-based(NA). It's not something to be proud of or to rub in someone's face. Even if it was more than that;it's a video game. Anyone that "Rank-shames" is a meathead to begin with. And no, you deleted the point entirely.

Ready 2 B Blamed16 votes
  1. He still doesn&#039;t answer why he would&#039;ve given me a chat restriction.

He doesn't say why because you know why. You've given the information and he analyzed and stated that 'based off this information, I would give you a chat restriction'. Re-stating what you already know would be insulting your intelligence; which, seems like he shouldn't have respected quite that much.

  1. He mentions the enemy top laner (Darius) saying &quot;open top&quot; and hints at it being good enough reason for his team to tilt. Yet he completely ignores the fact that his team was not helping Darius even when I was taking his second tier turret, does that not justify Darius tilting too then?

They're likely dealing with each player case-by-case as you should assume by now. Here, it isn't about the enemy team it's about how you acted poorly in this situation and how you broke TOS. Stop trying to make it about the other people who they've acknowledged acted poorly as well and let the criticism against YOU sink in because ultimately that's what is more important for you as an individual. And yes, players tilt when a player on the team acts negatively. This is something that's always been prevalent in the game.

  1. The Darius never even actually opened top (other than backing off from turret or I&#039;d dive him), he kept up in farm and did his best to not feed me more. I know this is a little far fetched, but as far as any of us are concerned, it might have been his tactic to fool me into thinking he&#039;s not trying, so he can surprise me.

'Far fetched' is, first of all, an understatement. Second of all, 'far fetched' does not mean "Hey! This is somewhat, maybe a possible outcome. Therefore, we should assume and act like that's the case rather than the scenario that is, like, 99% more likely". No! Assume the far, FAR more likely case! It's like saying that the person who's aiming a gun at your head is aiming to shoot the wall because, hey, it's a very small minute possibility, so... I don't need to dodge, right?

  1. How is the top laner&#039;s words related to my punishment or the support team saying I was punished for talking too much?

It's not. He never stated as such. Your punishment is a result of your own actions and reactions to what you encountered.

  1. He talks about me &quot;going on a tirade of chat&quot;, a total of 106 lines of text during the game and post-game lobby. I know that&#039;s a lot, but I&#039;m a very fast typist on a keyboard, and even if I wasn&#039;t, since when is talking a lot against the summoner&#039;s code? It would be a different thing if I afked while typing, but 99% of my typing was done during rotations, farming, etc. Like I said I&#039;m a fast typist, I don&#039;t need to sit afk in base to type.

This is the most common excuse for someone that wants to believe he can type while playing the game but, in the end of the day, it's a stupid excuse for a reason. You don't understand the game on a deeper level for this reason. Or at least, this is one prevalent reason why you're so bad at it. Everyone who plays League types fast. This isn't a special skill. Fuck! It'd be special if you couldn't type fast. What you need to sink into your brain is that: typing about something unrelated to the game keeps you from thinking about the game. It puts you in disadvantages that high elo players specifically avoid by only typing very key information that they're able to communicate with a minimal amount of words.

  1. He says that I called the enemies morons in the post-game lobby. This is likely true. However, it is completely irrelevant and just a decoy to de-escalate the actual thread. Riot support team never mentioned this in their original reply, they further investigated my punishment and came into the conclusion that the punishment was correct for the reason of me spamming the in-game chat. Whether I was toxic after the game or not doesn&#039;t affect the fact that support team didn&#039;t take that into account, yet handed out the punishment. This is the issue I was originally trying to tackle. I do not care for my personal punishment.

Don't say "likely" as if there's a possibility that you didn't say it. You FUCKING said it! Riot has the evidence! Holy shit, you're seriously trying to save your own ass SO hard! It's unbelievable! Just own your fucking mistakes! Don't sit there and toss it on the side with phrases like "AH yeah that.. LIKELY happened but that's w/e". No! You knowingly broke TOS and withheld information from the post-game lobby because you wanted to accentuate your moral compass rather than your behavior that was the result of your punishment which, in my opinion, was VERY soft by Riot. You're a fucking snake and you're trying to sink yourself further down a rabbit hole by saying "Oh I don't care for my personal punishment" YOU FUCKING DO! You've been trying to defend yourself and had the audacity to claim that you do NOT deserve punishment over and over! Suddenly, it's even MORE about you shoving your moral compass. I don't even think Riot remotely stated that what you did was even a bannable offense but shit I'd give you a banhammer harder than Bjergsen dumpstered Svenskeren in this weeks' LCS game!

  1. He says that he would&#039;ve muted me after a few comments. And he is free to do so, as is anyone else. But that doesn&#039;t mean it should be punishable to talk a lot, as long as there&#039;s nothing breaking the summoner&#039;s code I should be allowed to talk. I wasn&#039;t spamming, I was arguing, and relatively politely may I add.

Imagine walking into a library and coming across someone who you disagree with. And you just start talking aloud about the things you disagree with; completely ignorant of any respect for anyone inside. And you're both just stating the same points over and over and over in a fruitless argument that neither of you are gonna win no matter how many times you state the same thing! It IS spamming. You're clogging up a chat that so many people look at. You make yourself unavailable to communicate with because your lack of attention to the game and insistence in arguing forces players to mute you because you are making the situation uncomfortable for everyone in the game. Not only that, but you insist on wasting time talking about something that you'll never be able to fix and ignore things you could be focusing on in the game. And you can come up with any silly excuse like "Oh! I was 10/2" or "i'm a fast typist" that shows why you have no understanding of the game and why you'll never be good.

  1. He says it would&#039;ve been &quot;impossible&quot; to coordinate with the team over my chatter. Someone calculated that I said about one message every 30 seconds, I find it hard to believe that clutters the chat so much that it&#039;s impossible to coordinate. Not to mention there are pings that further assist coordinating. And hadn&#039;t he already muted me anyways?

Every 30 seconds!??! 30 seconds! How do you not see how that clutters the chat?!?!? That's insane! That's a new level of lacking self-awareness. If we divided the total game time by 2 that would mean you typed for approximately 13 minutes! That's 13 minutes of you focusing on something completely unrelated to the game! 13 minutes of people forced to put up with your propaganda! I'm... Baffled. I'm honestly so... scared of how ignorant you are of yourself. It's something that's going to be a prevalent battle in your life and it worries me that you cannot overcome that. At least, judging by this it's.. shocking you've gone this far without it being told to you directly. You spent almost HALF the game typing! Look at those words and process them. Analyze yourself!

And now I want you to forget all 8 points I just made. They&#039;re all irrelevant. Those are the minor flaws I was able to come up with by analysing his comment. The major flaws are what you don&#039;t see from the comment. The real flaws is what he is ignoring. He never tackled either of the main points of my threads:

  1. It seems to be Riot&#039;s stand that you should not stand up for the victims of verbal abuse to show them that they&#039;re not alone, not even if you do it rather politely, but instead you should close your eyes and let them be bullied.

No, you forced propaganda on players that did not want any of it. Riot repeatedly stated that enforcing the mute button is a function that helps alleviate that pressure. Even if the Darius chose to willingly ignore that function; it is on him and him alone.

  1. You can get banned for talking a lot even if you never break the summoner&#039;s code.

You can get punished for spamming.

He may have shown I flamed someone. But he never tackled the real issue. Riot&#039;s policy on the issue is absolute madness. And if a further investigation of my comments concluded that talking a lot should be punished, then the system is straight out broken too. And now I&#039;m even more baffled, their way of handling this thing seems to be &quot;leave one comment that defames him as a flamer, and people will forget all the points he&#039;s made&quot;. This is absurd. That&#039;s not how this works. We want answers.

Do you want them to tell you that they're punishing bullies? Because that much should be assumed. They acknowledged that they were bullies so what more do you want? You all are getting punished for the right reasons. And don't say that you are 'defamed' as a flamer. Don't say you flamed 'once'. YOU ARE A FLAMER! You're the kind of person who takes money from someone who robbed a bank and says: "Oh I didn't steal it-someone gave it to me. I did rob a bank before but you shouldn't condemn me for using stolen cash because this isn't the money I stole."

Ph03n1xb1rd7 votes

I don't want to react to the whole things, since it's long, but this part: "You can get punished for spamming." - Yes, you can get banned for spamming. He did NOT spam. So why in the hell would you even write this here? It's like you wrote you can get banned for saying "kys", but we know that he didnt.

Or maybe you do NOT know the difference between spamming and writing a lot. Let me show you: THIS IS SPAMMING! THIS IS SPAMMING! THIS IS SPAMMING! THIS IS SPAMMING! THIS IS SPAMMING! THIS IS SPAMMING! THIS IS SPAMMING! THIS IS SPAMMING! THIS IS SPAMMING!

Yet your post is waaaay longer than mine, is yours spamming too? O.o I dont see the logic there...

Ready 2 B Blamed4 votes

Wow, putting thought and logic into my post causes you, someone who admits that he can't read it all and then spouts bullshit as a result of not even knowing what he's arguing against. Imagine if you part of a political campaign or something. You would Donald Trump, actually. That's an achievement.

Alright spamming, right. Spamming is not a result of stating the identical sentence over and over again. It's the result of indiscriminately sending the 'same' message over and over. As I've roughly calculated not too long ago he spent almost 13 minutes stating that Darius is NOT inting in an argument against someone who, I also imagine rephrasing their sentence over and over for a similar timeframe. That's spamming. No, my post is not spamming because I argued point-for-point. I didn't re-state or re-phrase one singular point over and over again.

Ph03n1xb1rd3 votes

I did not say that i did not read your post, i only said, i want to argue with that point, thats all. But think whatever makes you feel better, idc ;)

IDK if we read the same chatlogs or not, but all those messages are not the 'same', yes, some things are written more times, probably because the other guy did not understand it. But yeah, with your definition it is just a matter of taste what you want to call spamming and what not. Obviously he was spamming, if you redefine the word spamming in a way where it may become that. But i really feel like, he just explained why is Darius not inting with different reasons (explained what the enemy jungler did wrong, why darius cant farm on lane, he didnt open the lane etc...) He just went point to point expaining why is he NOT inting.

But okay, if you feel like you want to talk about more points, here it is: "If we divided the total game time by 2 that would mean you typed for approximately 13 minutes! That's 13 minutes of you focusing on something completely unrelated to the game! 13 minutes of people forced to put up with your propaganda!" - but i can not really argue with it, why would you divide the game by 2? Why would he type for 13 minutes? HOW DID YOU GET THIS RESULT?! WTF?

Ready 2 B Blamed2 votes

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I did not say that i did not read your post, i only said, i want to argue with that point, thats all. But think whatever makes you feel better, idc ;)

Sure you did. That's why you instantly realized that I just re-phrased a point I made in that post to argue against your spamming counter-argument. But let's move on.

IDK if we read the same chatlogs or not, but all those messages are not the 'same', yes, some things are written more times, probably because the other guy did not understand it. But yeah, with your definition it is just a matter of taste what you want to call spamming and what not. Obviously he was spamming, if you redefine the word spamming in a way where it may become that. But i really feel like, he just explained why is Darius not inting with different reasons (explained what the enemy jungler did wrong, why darius cant farm on lane, he didnt open the lane etc...) He just went point to point expaining why is he NOT inting.

Ultimately, he was trying to convince someone that he wasn't inting. And kept arguing... That he wasn't inting over and over to someone who kept arguing that he was... :Thinking: "mAyBe 1f i KeeP SayIng 1t hE WiLL AgReE"

But okay, if you feel like you want to talk about more points, here it is: "f we divided the total game time by 2 that would mean you typed for approximately 13 minutes! That's 13 minutes of you focusing on something completely unrelated to the game! 13 minutes of people forced to put up with your propaganda!" - but i can not really argue with it, why would you divide the game by 2? Why would he type for 13 minutes? HOW DID YOU GET THIS RESULT?! WTF?!

30 seconds... is half of a minute. The total game time was 25:51- round that to 26. Divide 26 by 2... Approximately 13 minutes... Stay in school, friend.

Ph03n1xb1rd3 votes

"30 seconds... is half of a minute. The total game time was 25:51- round that to 26. Divide 26 by 2... Approximately 13 minutes... Stay in school, friend." I really can NOT understand what is your logic here. But i will try to show it to you with an example:

Lets say, he literally spammed the hell out of that game, and he wrote 520 lines, it would make him write a line every 3 seconds. Thats 1/20 minute. So according to your "logic" he typed now 26/20= 1.3 minutes ONLY?!

But let me help you with basic logic, since you surely did not stay in school ;) He typed like 450 words (overestimation), I as a not very fast typer can type like 60-70 words (in LoL context, so usually short words) per minute. Lets assume he lied about being a fast typer, and he is as average as me, that is 7 minutes AT MAX.

Ready 2 B Blamed1 votes

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"30 seconds... is half of a minute. The total game time was 25:51- round that to 26. Divide 26 by 2... Approximately 13 minutes... Stay in school, friend." I really can NOT understand what is your logic here.

hyuuuuh... I guess you didn't read that much, either. The OP acknowledged that someone calculated that he was typing every 30 seconds... And don't.... Try to acknowledge the whole 'fast typing' thing. That typical excuse and completely unproven excuse has no bearing, at this point. It's just a headache whenever anyone that types a lot uses it as an excuse at this point because it's just become such a joke.

Ph03n1xb1rd2 votes

Typing every 30 seconds. Okay. So lets make some more examples to you, since you still do not understand.

I can press a button every 30 seconds, which takes 1 second for me. In this case i would spend 2 seconds every minute pressing that button.

I can go to toilet every day, this does not mean, that i am sitting on the toilet the whole day or whole week or half day, or 2 hours (IDK which timeframe would come from your logic, since that doesnt exist).

Ready 2 B Blamed1 votes

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Typing every 30 seconds. Okay. So lets make some more examples to you, since you still do not understand.

I can press a button every 30 seconds, which takes 1 second for me. In this case i would spend 2 seconds every minute pressing that button.

I can go to toilet every day, this does not mean, that i am sitting on the toilet the whole day or whole week or half day, or 2 hours (IDK which timeframe would come from your logic, since that doesnt exist).

You completely miss the point. The idea is that it is a maximum approximation of the amount of time he could've spent typing. And the large number of that approximation leads to the fact that... Even he spent a minute; which is pretty much guaranteed at the least is.. I mean, pros themselves would be shocked to hear. It's like going to the toilet every day means you... Shit every day? That's... I mean, I don't think that's in any way normal...? I shit like twice a week man. But back on point, if you typed for even a minute every game you played... That's a huge detriment to your gameplay. It's insanity.

Ph03n1xb1rd3 votes

What the hell are you talking about!? I can TYPE ONE SINGLE MESSAGE FOR the whole game. So what you said is NOT a maximum approximation, what you said is NOTHING. The maximum approximation would be 26 minutes, since you can NOT type longer than the game. You should really take BASIC logic and mathematic courses, and i dont mean it as an offense, it's a fact.

Even he spent a minute? He is NOT a pro, you are NOT a pro, neither am I. If you want to comapre average players to LCS, everybody is a troll inter noob afker not communicating useless player. He won the game, he carried the game, so he did not have ANY backslash of typing.

Ps.: That example was not my personal example, just said something. But for your personal health you may check this, since 2 times a week is probably around the healthy/not healthy border.

EDIT: and i still want to know how you got the 13 minutes, bc your first "explanation" is faar bad EDIT2: And do NOT try to save yourself, you did NOT use it as a maximum approximation ;) (And it is not)

mah1foo2 votes

I'm a programmer and thus spend a lot of time on keyboard, I can do 100-120 WPM. Not to forget that short messages can be literally sent between lasthits, so some of the messages had no impact on anything.

Ph03n1xb1rd3 votes

Man, do NOT use "wpm" it will confuse him. This guy literally thinks that every 30 second means that you typed 30 second in every minute. Do not use these complex abbreviations please!

EDIT: Just to make him happy, i was talkin' about "Jester Monocle"

Ready 2 B Blamed2 votes

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Man, do NOT use "wpm" it will confuse him. This guy literally thinks that every 30 second means that you typed 30 second in every minute. Do not use these complex abbreviations please!

Fascinating how you attempt to cowardly speak indirectly about me without arguing a single point with any merit whatsoever. A true philosopher.

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