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Suspension system is rather silly

Vyycan·8/25/2017, 4:47:32 PM·2 votes·663 views

Honestly, this 14+ day suspension thing is far beyond what normally should be given to for someone being toxic. I've found that 5-10 day's works more than 14, as it generally just means you give up playing after a time, or make a smurf account and ruin the community some more.

Now before I get into why this should be changed, I already know 90% of you are going to go "You're toxic well deserved" when i'm 100% sure none of you actually play or in general actually formulate an opinion of your own, that being said, save it for another board.

Ad-hominem aside let's begin. First off this system needs to be changed, leave buster was a fine enough thing, great, but this new "Chat suspension" ruins the concept of playing a game. Now with being suspended in chat you're forced to wait for chances to speak, this can detriment your team hard. Yes, it slows down toxic people, but it also ruins a chance to actually coordinate properly. Then again, Riot's never been one to think before it acts. Onto the 14+ day suspension thing, that's absurd. I know most of you are used it, and haven't had a chance to play a game with a logical report/punishment system, but where I come from this isn't logical, at all. This generally makes it so that, once more, you give up and leave, regardless of how toxic you might have been or otherwise, it defeats the purpose of a punishment. 14 days is far too much, and after such a perma ban? Now that's just as silly.

In my honest opinion it should go like this

1 day Suspension 5 Days 10 Days 15 Days 30 Days Perma Ban.

This system would work far better than just chat banning people and forcing the team to work on a 4v5 with ping spams. It also eliminates some of the silly jumps that the ban system itself likes to push forward into. That being said, I find this system works better than what we have, but these are just opinions

I now await this toxic community to try and defeat this with grade 6 spelling and logic.

32 Comments

Colgate Gator8/25/2017, 4:56:05 PM11 votes

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I now await this toxic community to try and defeat this with grade 6 spelling and logic.

You have convinced me you are a mature person who can be discuss things objectively. Riot please unban him.

ModPrandine8/25/2017, 6:12:47 PM5 votes

Yes chat restrictions hinder chat communications but it does that to encourage people to use the chat for actual relevant game stuff and not use it to rage and flame at others constantly. Doing that is what warranted a chat restriction in the first place.

For the 14day ban it's meant to serve as the final warning to get you to either shape up or ship out after the chat restrictions didnt work. For gameplay related offenses this is the first punishment received and serves the same purpose as mentioned earlier.

While one could argue that there should be an additional time ban before or after 14 days keep in mind that Riot has data that says the further along someone is in the penalty ladder the less likely they are to reform. Take from that what you will.

EvilDustMan8/25/2017, 6:31:39 PM2 votes

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I now await this toxic community to try and defeat this with grade 6 spelling and logic.

Complains about ad-hominem. I laughed.

archerno18/25/2017, 5:00:29 PM2 votes

How did you "find out" that? Do you own a video game in which u used that system to reform your players?

Vyycan8/25/2017, 6:49:43 PM1 votes

The comments in this just go to show the community is both inept and sadly lost. Oh well.

Imperial Pandaa8/25/2017, 11:13:13 PM1 votes

So the gist I gather is you want to remove chat restrictions, and add two extra steps to the punishment progression. It seems somewhat reasonable but what would it really change? Here are points I argue for both cases.

Chat restrictions: As already mentioned, the idea is to make people think more carefully on how to use the chat bar. Basically a "Is this necessary to say?" idea. It is meant to try and reteach the proper way to use the chat. The current system does need maybe a slight change, but I'll discuss that more after the next bit.

Multi Ban: There are more steps in this system but one could also say it is less forgiving. The reason why is my first penalty is a 1 day/24 hour ban. Which means I can't so anything with the game unless I make/buy a new account. Course no guarantee they will. Then after that game I now get a longer and longer ban, each one of course being an opportunity to make or play a smurf. Then we hit 15 day and then a 30. Why do these two exist though? You are saying a 14 day is bad so why have 2 tiers with longer times? This is not meant to be a condescending question, but out of need of understanding why they are there.

Bad day: The current system, and yours I imagine, do not ban for a single bad day/game unless; 1. severity, or 2. Already have been punished and closer monitoring. I may be incorrect, basing my stuff off what have read, but even after a 10 game chat restrict; you still get multiple strikes before a 25 game chat restrict hits, once again may vary with severity. Same with 14 day to perma. I would maybe like to see more leeway between the final 2 steps.

Reform: Both offer chances at reform, one just forces you to take more breaks, unless you make a new account. Current one allows you to step down the punishment ladder after about 3 months of playing good games (not a magic number, may vary depending on how many games played at a time.). Unless I missed something would yours basically work the same way?

TrulyBland9/9/2017, 8:20:10 AM1 votes

In my honest opinion it should go like this 1 day Suspension 5 Days 10 Days 15 Days 30 Days Perma Ban.

It used to be 3-day, 7-day, 14-day. They removed the lower tiers because they had virtually no effect. The ones below 7 days are fairly obvious in this regard... if somebody only plays on the weekends, a 3-day or 5-day ban is as good as a 2-day ban. Either way: Bans over times lower than 14 days have been tested and they didn't work. It's the same thing as with permanent mutes... it sounds like a good idea on paper (which is why Riot tried it out in the first place), but it simply fails in practice.

Bans longer than 14 day bans have, strictly speaking, not been tried out, but with their findings on people trying to reform after being permabanned, I feel like that would probably be equally ineffective.

I disagree on removing chat bans. I was sceptical about them at first, but they ultimately don't limit chat too much, given that pings are a suitable replacement in most situations, and they sort of "directly" punish you while in-game for wasting the few messages you do get for flaming others.