System and Punishment

DarkTinker·Aug 21, 2019·1 votes·1,708 views

I am here to point out of few shortcomings of the current report system. (feel free to agree and disagree here!)

By far, riot support has been saying "don't get tilted, just mute them or report them afterwards." *If I were to translate this, then it would have been "it is alright to tilt other players, and it is not alright to get tilted." Why? Here is the explanation.

Muting toxic players meant that you wouldn't know what they did afterwards, meaning you got less evidence or had no idea what to report them afterwards.
Reporting them afterwards without muting them. If there are super toxic, and offensive enough to verbally abuse your parents, you will get tilted. That means you will be mad and lose your ration. So they are going to end up reporting you, then YOU reporting them.
Okay lets say you mute them, and you are not going to report them. These players have developed skills, such as spamming pings, internationally coming to your lane to take your cs, and any other IN-GAME actions that could possibly tilt you. Riot reporting system is not going to detect it. Or perhaps, the system never consider this in the first place.

In the end, those who are actually toxic will never be punished. And they will get even worse, since riot is punishing whoever these toxic people flame to, blame to, or verbally abuse to. They will be even egocentric to do so.

There has never been a clear definition of intentionally feeding. *Well this is obvious.

For example, negative players could come to your lane and take your resources (I am not talking about jg, but specifically on laners), instead of defending one's lane.

Here is my personal experience. I am always a good player. I have never gotten any punishment from season 4 until recently.

Two weeks ago, I had a rank game match ups, and I am auto filled as support. My adc ezreal kept making stupid play (such as E to the enemy team). I tried to save him several times and failed because support wasn't my main role. I didn't know how to deal with these situations. Then, his pre-made buddies and him (the adc) got tilted and started to flame on me. They started spamming pings on me. So, obviously, I muted both of them.

Haha, you thought the story had ended? No!

5 min later, my opponents typed in all-chat, saying that it wasn't my fault. My opponents claimed that they were making stupid play. And next, they told them not to offend my parents.

That instant, I unmuted them, and told them to shut the fk up. They kept using even more and more abusive languages, and I lost it.

Then I got reported. I got a 10 times chat-restriction, and my honor level is reset from a 4 to 1. This also means I couldn't play clash for this upcoming weekend.

Did I report them? Yes, I did. But the system didn't take into account.

How do I know? Duh, they would tell you "Thanks for your feedback" if they took into account.

Also, you will get match up with even more toxic/easily tilted teammates afterwards (This is how the system works after all). I kept losing match-ups either my teammates got tilted easily for no reasons, or I got afks (the worst is: three afks in a game, and 2 v 5 at 7 min). Throughout these times, I didn't type at all.

This account is pretty much useless now. There is just no way I can climb like this.

Riot community man. How can I continue playing this game after all these?

6 Comments

rujitraAug 21, 20195 votes

Your translation is not correct. Tilt is by definition not something that someone "does" to you - it is an internal reaction. If you do not have the control over your emotions to not get tilted, that is not anyone else's fault. If you are getting tilted, the blame lies solely with you - not with anyone else.
There is a clear definition - intentionally. feeding. Intentionally means that the player is intentionally taking action that they know will cause the result, for no reason other than to cause the result. Feeding is that result - dying to the enemy team.
You do not own resources in any lane. Period. It is a team game - stop acting as if you are somehow owner of part of it.
You got tilted because you were not able to brush off what they were saying - so you muted them. That was a good choice, and no, they shouldn't have been flaming you. You then unmuted them - very bad choice. If someone is flaming you, they're not going to suddenly stop. And when you unmuted them and still were unable to control your emotions, you flamed them, and you were punished for violating the rules.
Accounts almost never get punished for one game of toxic behavior. Your account has a history of this behavior which is why you were punished. The reform card does not always show you all games you were validly reported in.
You do not get a report feedback every time a player is punished based on your report - and as I said, they are rarely punished for just one game of toxic behavior.

DarkTinkerAug 21, 20191 votes

Thank you for your clarification! However, there are a few parts that I do not understand.

"You do not own resources in any lane. Period. It is a team game - stop acting as if you are somehow owner of part of it."

*I understand that it is a team game and you shouldn't act as if you are somehow an owner of it. But if a player just left his lane just to follow you and deny you from getting any gold, and here you are trying your best to win the game. Isn't that count as intentionally feeding? The player is causing the team to lose the game. He knows that he couldn't die to the enemy team directly, so he did something else to cause you to lose the game. He is not feeding the enemy team directly, but is killing your team slowly.

Also, what about the spamming of pings? Do we just have to deal with that ourselves and not get tilted from it? I know you could mute it, but at the same time, you need the ping to understand what the team is doing.

rujitraAug 21, 20192 votes

No. It MAY be griefing. Griefing is not determined based on one action. The entirety of the game is looked at and the players' behavior is evaluated holistically. Are they attempting to make up for a support that isn't doing much? Did they lose lane and maybe the jungler has gone to their lane? What else may be going on.

Furthermore, "left his lane" is a normal part of the game at a certain point - the end of lane phase. If he thought lane phase was over, even if you didn't, that difference in opinion does not make his behavior griefing.

Can you say he was doing what he was doing to screw your team, intentionally and only? No. You can't. You don't have a crystal ball and can't read minds. Riot does not punish someone when there is any reasonable doubt that they were not griefing you.

And Riot has stated that pings are not considered a punishable offense. I disagree with this personally (imo if spamming chat can be considered a bannable offense why can't spamming pings), but that's their stance.

GatekeeperTDSAug 21, 20191 votes

In the end, those who are actually toxic will never be punished.

Holy shit, have you read any threads on this board?

Look dude, Riot isn't policing anyone's thoughts or emotions. What they have is a code of conduct. Get as tilted as you want, but don't lash out at other people. "Don't be a goddamn jerk" is such a simple concept that it's not even funny.

DarkTinkerAug 21, 20191 votes

I have read the threads on this board. I don't think you understand. I am writing on how the system could be improved. Not to "lash out at other people." "In the end, those who are actually toxic will never be punished." That is simply a cause and effect logic. I didn't state any name or anything.

Alright, perhaps I am still tilted when I am writing my personal experience.

But I have made it clear: I am here to point out of few shortcomings of the current report system. (feel free to agree and disagree here!)

I am writing this post mainly to: Help myself understand how the system works. Hold reasonable discussion on the system, why it works the way it does, and how it could be improved.

Things This Board CAN'T Do: Overturn a punishment. Get someone punished (no naming & shaming other players, please). Change the punishment system. Ensure you a response from a Rioter. Override a Player Support decision. Help you if you are not willing to consider that your behavior may have been toxic and that changing it might be appropriate. Hold discussions where the individuals involved are not willing to accept that Riot is allowed to dictate behavioral rules on their private servers.

Also, think before you write. I am being as respectful here as much as possible, and you are here using some offensive languages (god damn, jerk, and etc). Well, maybe it is just your habit after all.

rujitraAug 21, 20192 votes

He was not directing those words at you. He was stating a rule.

The rule "don't be a jerk" is fairly simple and is not offensive in any way.