“Context context context”

Ekitaih·5/16/2018, 11:34:11 AM·10 votes·4,295 views

I would like everyone who is appealing for a ban to know that CONTEXT DOES NOT MATTER. Someone flaming you does not give you the right to flame back. If you do, don’t complain of a ban. If a team mate uses hate speach and you tell enemy team “report x because he said y” don’t complain of a ban if you repeat the word you’re trying to get them banned for. If you request reports, don’t complain if you get banned. Requesting reports is useless. 1 report is all that’s needed to flag an account. Additional reports will do nothing. Don’t risk your account on something so useless. Context doesn’t matter. The report system is in place to take care of people who are toxic. That’s including those who are “defending themselves.” Meeting toxicity with toxicity is punishable. Don’t complain if you get banned. Don’t let these people get to you. Mute them and report them. They are trying to get a rise out of you. Don’t let them. Sorry for the rant, guys... Just too much toxicity going around.

27 Comments

EvilxUndertonez5/17/2018, 1:22:17 AM9 votes

You are wrong, context is everything.

Raìstlin5/16/2018, 11:54:05 AM5 votes

So i know you're talking about me so ill get this out of the way.

I was not suspended for toxicity, i was suspended for hate speech that the IFS incorrectly punished me for.

The punishment was for me apparently spouting hate speech which i did not do, i was quoting the person who was harassing me and using the word i quoted.

Im aware that extra reports do nothing now, but at the time of the event i was not aware of that being the case.

And context does matter, with that mindset a lot of failed justice and framing could easily take place.

Also, heres a quote from an individual from my thread, this could help, "I think Chermorg is actually wrong here; even though IFS cannot detect the context, there are cases there biological parts of the system have reduced the sentence (For example when IFS has banned a person because he has been baited to say the insta-punish-words). Your case has some similarities to that and might help you. "

Context does matter, and always should, especially in such a strong punishment system, your close minded view of how this judicial process is worrying.

Have a nice day

EL HAMSTERO5/17/2018, 6:03:18 AM3 votes

context should matter

Turtles Are Okay5/16/2018, 5:36:27 PM2 votes

Someone comes up on the street and hits you.

Question:

Do you (a) react as it's normally and expected and put the guy down and call the police or (b) simply let him destroy you, then call the police?

I'm sure it's a hard question with a very complicated answer.

"But this is not real life and you don't get hurt". Last time I checked psychological pain is almost as bad as physical pain. Abuse only happens because it's allowed.

Leaving that aside, context is very hard to detect by computers as of now, even in real life, context is something shaky and given the nature of the game, everyone has context.

Someone that said "go k**" to someone will say "yea but they were feeding" as an excuse. Of course this is absolutely retarded and they'd need a perma-ban for using that excuse on its own, but humans are built this way: they never believe they're wrong, no matter what, ever. Ever. This is why most errors happen in real life.

If they admit they were wrong, it's almost entirely due to an authority being ready to destroy them. Most convicts / killers, if no authority was around would just smile and tell you to f*** o**. It's not that they are truly sorry or so -

It's fear.

Fear that, unfortunately, as much as I love Riot, they don't convey. So, of course people will first think that they're not wrong and use any kind of excuses to get away.

The only real way out for Riot to fight off toxicity is to understand the context in which it happens:

No fear of an authority. If only we had a notification in game that'd pop and say "yo, if you keep going, we're banning you", the world would be a better place. But now business comes into play and you're thinking "Ah, maybe we shouldn't take a hit of our customers, even if they're toxic".

So then why do you have the perma-ban? These people are disrupting your money, as well as other customers. You're sending a message to a person that's being toxic to stop being toxic - pretty reasonable.

You can test this by simply just playing, at least on EUNE (where, I'm not kidding as I tracked games, you have at least 1-2 people wishing cancer upon others and 8-9 people being super toxic. EACH. GAME.). You'll almost certainly hear "hahahhaha Riot does nothing" in every game, because everyone's asking for reports on the losing team.

Back to the "in game notification that says you're gonna get nuked":

If only this was implemented, about almost all cases of toxicity would be wiped off. It's not as easy a task, but it's a step in the right direction, I'd know because my company has this "0 tolerance" towards toxicity. Whenever a customer would be bitchy / complain and try to hurt us with absolutely no justification, we'd instantly refund / ban that person from buying and instantly shutting them down.

So far, I'm doing pretty well for myself because of that.

Scuttle5/16/2018, 1:10:57 PM2 votes

i was deefendin meeself

MohawkBird5/17/2018, 4:17:14 AM2 votes

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Kareshi5/17/2018, 3:00:29 AM2 votes

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs] exactly

Yet most of this perma banned apes dont understand that.

Antelath5/20/2018, 3:05:20 AM1 votes

This Community cannot Change, This toxicity was here for like 5 Years already.

But Holy Mother of All Doors am i proud to be part of this Cancer Fest.

Literious5/16/2018, 12:15:52 PM1 votes

Adapt? The entire match is basically ruined the moment someone starts flaming, being toxic, afk's, trolls, feeds, disconnects - you can't leave the match, you have to be stuck in a game for 20+ minutes doing something you suddenly don't feel like doing because of 1 player. Riot should just instant perma ban anyone who does anything remotely toxic.

IS THAT AN APE5/16/2018, 3:33:17 PM1 votes

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I would like everyone who is appealing for a ban to know that CONTEXT DOES NOT MATTER. Someone flaming you does not give you the right to flame back. If you do, don’t complain of a ban. If a team mate uses hate speach and you tell enemy team “report x because he said y” don’t complain of a ban if you repeat the word you’re trying to get them banned for. If you request reports, don’t complain if you get banned. Requesting reports is useless. 1 report is all that’s needed to flag an account. Additional reports will do nothing. Don’t risk your account on something so useless. Context doesn’t matter. The report system is in place to take care of people who are toxic. That’s including those who are “defending themselves.” Meeting toxicity with toxicity is punishable. Don’t complain if you get banned. Don’t let these people get to you. Mute them and report them. They are trying to get a rise out of you. Don’t let them. Sorry for the rant, guys... Just too much toxicity going around.

The issue I would guess is that people see toxicity in more than 66% of their games, and get confirmation notices of player punishment quite infrequently.

"Learn to /ignoreall" is the reflex answer to this, which gets you flamed and reported as being non-strategic and complicit to the problems in-game. It also is not a treatment to the problem. It handicaps the player being abused in game.

People want more resolutions to legit reports. When they don't reap anything from dozens of legit issues they get frustrated from being abused and retaliate. It's really that simple.

VindicatorOFThey5/16/2018, 11:45:36 AM1 votes

adapt in the toxic environment ...