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When you BM in all chat, you're showing a weak mentality.

AgeOfShadow92·3/3/2019, 4:04:42 AM·11 votes·7,501 views

So, I talked to some friends of mine about this today and I'm wondering what you guys think.

When someone is on my team (honestly, it's usually my ADC) and they start talking smack in all chat with "?" or "You're bad" or any of the endless other passive aggressive ways to BM people, I already pretty much know the player has a weak mentality.

I say this because if you are mocking the enemy team, unless you're super high elo smurf, (and sometimes even then as I saw with a game I played vs a pro recently who got cocky), you are showing your team and the enemy that you are underestimating them and that you are probably going to pay less attention or be needlessly aggressive and arrogant, resulting in stupid plays. This usually eventually evolves to the player who was so cocky, all caps raging at the team because we "made them lose" when they are the ones being reckless and throwing due to hubris.

I honestly live by the "don't celebrate till the nexus blows" mentality.

Why is there even an all chat anyway? I almost never see it used for anything sportsmanlike XD

So do you guys thinkk it's okay to "rib" other players in all chat?

35 Comments

Tuition Fee3/3/2019, 4:33:45 AM8 votes

I only BM in ranked. Reason is for psychological warfare. It's low, but it often works. If the jungler died to me, I'll nitpick on some things they did in all chat, hoping to turn their bot lane against them so they either tilt/don't come bot.

Also say lots of "Better support wins". It shows your support you appreciate their efforts, and love them, and pisses off enemy ADC, who will often say something like "Yeah I wish I had your support, mine is awful" and then the enemy support gets pissed and either tilts/leaves lane.

Schoenberg3/3/2019, 6:25:22 AM4 votes

Most individuals aren't BM-resistant, and the folks dishing it out usually aren't an exception.

Engaging in BM for psychological warfare purposes? Usually not worth it.

Baval3/3/2019, 5:20:45 AM2 votes

while i dont initiate BM with opponents because I like to keep games fun for everyone, If the enemy initiates I do BM for the purpose of trying to get them tilted. A tilted opponent plays worse, and I dont mind taking every advantage I can. You can use this either when youre winning (getting them tilted to try and get revenge) or losing (mocking them for thinking their plays were good even if they were to make them want to prove theyre consistently better than you)

Of course you have to be careful that you can actually turn it around or else youll just get camped....

Naalith3/3/2019, 8:17:52 PM2 votes

I think friendly competitive banter is a fun part of the game. Saying "you're bad" is toxic and you should never do it, but dropping a hot question mark in all chat when you survive a 1v3 gank and get out with a couple kills isn't a big deal. I play jungle a lot and I like to drop the "ty for leash" in all chat when I steal dragons and barons, which I wouldn't say is toxic.

There's being an asshole like "gg ez" or "you're bad" or talking shit on your team, etc., but there's nothing wrong with a little meme every now and again. One of my favorite games I played in the last few months was one where I was K/DA Evelynn and the other 3 K/DA characters were on the other team, we were all recalling and dancing in mid together before minions spawned and suddenly their teammates showed up and the enemy team killed me. All game I talked a massive amount of shit about how we were going to come back and by the end of the game I was hyper carry Evelynn status one shotting them for revenge left and right and saying "should've let me dance" etc.

I know everyone draws a line as to what is toxic and what is fun banter in all chat, but honestly if you are and the enemy are talking back and forth saying all the shit about how good you are etc., it's really fun and people are getting enjoyment so what's the harm.

KVbqbFsC8e3/3/2019, 12:22:54 PM2 votes

I don't agree with that logic whatsoever, and it seems to me that you are sensitive.

Midg3t3/3/2019, 11:45:10 AM2 votes

BM- ing is a valid tactic which can help you to gain advantage over your opponent. Even tho it's a cheap trick.
As long as BM doesn't devolve into harassment, it's not toxic nor punishable.
Just look at some emotes and you'll see Riot's stance on competitive BM-ing.

I Do Support Gud3/3/2019, 6:26:30 AM2 votes

i just spam emotes.

DutyToPlzDaBooty5/18/2019, 10:48:16 PM1 votes

Dropping a ? or lol in /All makes me weak? It tilting you so much shows weak mentality lol

General Esdeath 3/3/2019, 6:34:05 AM1 votes

I'll do it gently if they're toxic or keep camping my lane

partially to tilt them, and partially to discourage them because they're annoying me

Jennifer4203/3/2019, 1:18:00 PM1 votes

this is a topic that needs word from riot because we cant be sure about it.

back in season 3 and 4, bming the enemy was common in mindgames. people said it all the times "its ranked im trying to win and not make friends" if the enemy has an afk, this is not your fault and in the end what will you do? lose to make the enemys feel better? of course not, youre going to win (or try to lol). same goes for someone who gets mad.

a thing i never did cause im too lazy for it but a friend of mine did was search all his enemys during the loadscreen and usually he plays jungle so he just camped the shit out of the person on a losing spree to make them tilt.

today everything that just makes anyone angry no matter if it is passive agressive or just plain BMing gets reported and punished. the mindgames are not possible anymore. sure you can still camp the enemy with a losestreak and make em tilt this way, but its not as effective as it used to be by saying something like "guess that makes your 6th lose in a row eh? sorry for you enemys that you got a losestreaker in your team".

King Braum3/3/2019, 1:57:48 PM1 votes

Honestly, I get this mentality. But sometimes I'm just looking for a fun back and forth between me and my enemy (given that everything stays light hearted ofcourse.)

Jerry SeinfeId3/3/2019, 5:40:21 PM1 votes

BM is an important part of gameplay Singed Teemo

AgeOfShadow923/3/2019, 6:28:46 PM1 votes

So everyone condoning this behavior as "a good strategy and totally fine and nontoxic"

Why don't they allow pro teams to do it to each other when they are playing in tournaments?

Jo0o3/3/2019, 8:24:04 PM1 votes

I do it very sparingly. Usually a simple "hi" or "oh" in /all chat when something goes unusually my way, like getting a 1v4 quadrakill or something. It's certainly not an every game thing for me to do.

To me, that's less about BM and more a personal exultation of a play I made. I liken it to a quick touchdown dance in the NFL. I think /all "?" spam at every kill is fairly unsportsmanlike.

I've been watching the streamer/youtuber HuzzyGames a lot recently, and he has an interesting perspective on /all: He keeps all chat open purely to identify who uses it and recognize them as ragers. That allows him to better tilt the enemy team by focusing the folks who talk in /all. I think there's a lot of merit to his view on the actual impact of /all chat.