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MPendragon·5/24/2018, 7:38:39 PM·2 votes·1,611 views
@Riot - I am going to intentionally throw games to show you why it should be banned - P5 player

That thread was written three years ago, and in that time nothing has changed. I have become more intelligent, the problem has remained the same.

Things that you can take to the bank, with a 100% guarantee.

1: Players do not play to the best of their ability, because they are afraid of making a mistake, and being called out for it. So when you report a player, for 'playing poorly', it actually has some validity to it, because you can guarantee that players aren't playing to the best of their ability. If you ask me, now i'm very hard on people for under-performing, I would consider not playing to the best of your ability intentionally game throwing, any day of the week. Of course, this goes back into the eternally circular argument that a player can only be intentionally game throwing if they verbally admit to it, which obviously isn't true if you actually think about it, but that's just the way it is.

2: Big name companies like riotgames, catering to the 'needs' of 'kids' is only further hindering the playability of PvP games in this day and age. If we rewind back in time for a few minutes and discuss how the PvP was in Unreal Tournament 99, now I don't really know many individuals anymore that still play the game, but anybody that did play the game when it was 'hype' (granted it still is), can vouche that the PvP was very very intense, and people definitely played to the best of their ability. times have changed. And i'm not particularly dissing riot games in any way shape or form, other than the sheer fact that they have refused to ultimately address the on-going issue that is bringing out the destruction of PvP in their game. The reasoning why it hasn't been addressed, is below where we talk about $$$.

3: This much is obvious, Riot is in the business to make money. (You must be really shocked right now) No, for real, they are definitely in the business to make money from the community who plays their games, and business and economy is a funny thing. You would actually be shocked at what people let slip and sweep under the rug in order to continue generating revenue, and as I mentioned at the very top, is this a 100% guarantee. Following what Wu-Tang once wrote, "Cash Rules Everything Around Me", and Clapton - the C.R.E.A.M. of the crop. The level of corruption at the top would very much surprise you, if you opened your mind to receive such information. If you are naive and think that people wouldn't dare use a lack of integrity to make money, you are, and no toxicity ensued, retarded. Here's the funny thing about integrity and a job. If you have integrity, and refuse to do what your employer asks, nothing will really happen other than you will be fired for refusing to commit a crime, and someone else will fill your position that is willing to do it. History is DOOMED to repeat itself by the way.

So, back to somewhat the original discussion posted in the previous thread about what toxicity is directly linked to. Verbal toxicity is directly linked to the first point in my discussion. People are intentionally not playing to the best of their ability. Griefing is actually supposed to be against your enemy players, that's actually how you're supposed to win the game, but it isn't called griefing when it's against your opponent, because you are playing to the best of your ability to win the game. Now when you are not playing to the best of your ability to win the game, you are intentionally game throwing. "Well Sir, how we determine what a player's skill cap is, and if they are playing to the best of their ability?" That Sir, is a very good question. That is literally the primary on-going issue in today's day and age in player versus player games.

a: a player claims to be a new player. I tell him even new players play better at this elo. (this was a trick statement by the way) He responds by saying we are level 10, there's no elo at this level. - and granted, most 'new' players are definitely not new, but this guy definitely admitted to being more experienced in the game that he claimed to be. (i.e. he was bullshitting)

b: a player instantly calls out in all chat (now all chat should always be something that is turned off, for many good reasons) to report x player for toxicity. I guarantee you guys have all seen this before. Now I don't personally report players for verbal toxicity, because I honestly don't give a shit, it doesn't offend me. What does offend me is when players are (see above) not playing to the best of their ability. Now this individual player, (remember, everything is guaranteed in this post) has been reported and punished for verbal toxicity, so he knows that issuing a report for a similar thing is going to punish someone. This player is not focused on the game, your 'verbal toxicity' is not unfocusing them in any way, shape, or form. This person is literally trying to seek revenge on random strangers, for something that a completely different random stranger got them punished for. Now I understand that this isn't physical assault, but it does actually remind me of - I don't know what it is, youtube's "one punch knockout "game"", where people try to knock out completely random strangers with a single punch. These particular people are such generic pieces of shit, that they are having such a bad time, that they have to seek revenge on people that they aren't even upset with.

c: "i'm not listening to you, you can't tell me how to play the game" No, you're right, I can't tell you how to play the game. Actually, I can tell you, and I will, regardless of your stubbornness and ignorance. You do not have to play the meta, I don't even know what the meta is, I think someone tried to discuss it with me, and I said hey i've been playing moba games for 12 years now, I have a very firm understanding of the basic and advanced concepts that people with 3-5 years of experience haven't even discovered yet, and they would legitimately have no idea what i'm talking about, even if I said it very slowly in terms you learn before reaching grade 3. Which brings me to an argument about a grade 3 education. The simple mathematics in the game, which are basic addition and subtraction behind the more men you have in a team fight, the quicker your target does down. And some of you guys might have a College degree, and would have to agree that, and honestly grade 3 is kind of advanced, because you learn basic adding and subtracting in grade 1 and 2. Now for you to try and make me believe that all of these people have a learning disability, I would call bullshit, because i'm a toxic person, and I see through the bull shit. You cannot bullshit a bullshitter

"Now Sir, this is all somewhat useful information to understand what the problem of the game is, but if riot refuses to address the issue, how do you plan on fixing it?"

And Sir, that is another great question. As Martin Luther King once said "I HAVE A DREAM". Now unfortunately, the big business and private companies all see $$$, and that is totally understandable. I am going to college to learn how to program computers, and when I am done my college degree, I will go to university, and study the same thing.

Ultimately when I am done, I hope to create a project that brings the experience of PvP back to the way that it was in 99', when players adamantly played to the best of their ability, whether they were amazing players or not, they tried their hardest, day in and day out, regardless of the competition, and little things like a little shit talking was completely accepted, and nobody got offended at it, << predominantly because millennials now are little bitches that have completely ruined the aspect of PvP.

You can take all of this to the bank, because all of this once again, is a 100% guarantee. Thanks for your time, haters, and people that learned something new.

17 Comments

AeroWaffle5/24/2018, 7:55:07 PM4 votes

Intentionally giving up is not something that Riot can just snap their fingers and know if someone is guilty of it or not every single time.

Some people just play overly cautious, and Riot has to sift through millions of games while making sure to not ban people who are just honestly making tactical mistakes unintentionally. Manual reviews are going to be rare for that reason.

If you're going into Computer Science I hope you get to the point where you discover that this wouldn't be a walk in the park to have a computer solve (and be accurate) across millions of games.

Chermorg5/24/2018, 9:09:06 PM4 votes

A players skill rating in League is based on how they play. They will be matched with players based on their skill rating, which is based on how their play.

If they play below their potential skill level, they're only hurting their MMR. They'll be matched with players who also have that skill level. If they decide to play betters they'll see themselves matched with better players.

MPendragon5/24/2018, 8:36:36 PM1 votes

And not that is bothers me you guys, you don't have to down-vote the threat to pull the cover over the eyes of the Riot staff. They've proven time and time again that they don't give a shit, and I can guarantee you they will continue not to give a shit.

There's no protection agency, that will begin to punish you any time in the near future for intentionally playing under your ability. Okay? I guarantee you, that unless you verbally announce that you are playing beneath your ability or verbally announce that you are intentionally game throwing, that you will never be punished for it, even if you are. Even if you do not directly support the revenue of riot games.

"Well Sir, if your argument is people that don't play to the best of their ability cause the verbal toxicity of others, and they are allowed to continue playing the game because riot doesn't want to lose revenue of that population, why do they punish 'toxic players?"

The thrill of entertainment. I kid you not, I can give you a 100% guarantee, that there are people that play these particular types of games, solely for the purpose of reporting others. That is where they get the most thrill of their entertainment. In all honesty, this is extremely sad that there are people out there like this, but i'm certain if you look at different aspects of life, bullying exists in so many places, and that's exactly what that is. I guarantee you again, that riot will definitely not admit to wanting to keep bullies playing their games, because of the way that it sounds, and refuse to even acknowledge the underlying issue, but Riot needs these particular types of players, to keep their business afloat. This brings back to the IT, where corruption exists at the top, oh does it exist. It's not just riot, it's not just steam, but it takes part of a simple machine. The operation cannot function without this. Actually it probably could, but the addiction behind the problem is a very good source of revenue.

In theory, if I were to ban every single player that intentionally didn't play to the best of their ability or only play the game to bully others, I would have single handedly taken them out of business. If you thought that refusing to participate as a team, wasn't game changing, oh allow me to re-iterate myself, IT CERTAINLY IS. They cannot punish people for it, not because it doesn't fall under the spirit of the game, but because it would be GAME CHANGING.

MPendragon5/24/2018, 10:30:07 PM1 votes

You guys are all more than welcome to view league of legends streams, and you can see at that higher divisions that these streamers are engaging simultaneously with their teammates, or when there is a confrontation, that they are making a contributive effort to acknowledge it. Now if you want to ask these guys, why they participate as a team, I imagine they would probably tell you that, that's how the game was intended to be played, and that it really isn't something that you learn with experience. It's kind of basic common knowledge.

Nothing in their games are going perfect okay. People aren't waiting for someone to give them a crystal clear idea of when they should participate as a team, there's no silver platter to give someone an edge. They work as a team, because it's a team-based strategy game. Now you could say it's a MOBA game, if you want. Ultimately it is a team-based strategy game.

Now you can call an orange an apple, you can call it a banana, it doesn't change the fact that it is an orange. The proof is in the pudding, the evidence is there for all to see.

So if you wanted to ask me how I determine if a player is playing to the best of their ability or if they aren't, for when they choose to illogically refuse to participate as a team, such as "I didn't think it was a good choice to engage on that". Well thank you Sir, for at least contributing to a conversation. If you didn't think engaging was the best decision, that's okay, but at least you said something. At least you made an attempt to communicate, and participate as a team.

It's the people that illogically refuse to participate as a team, and don't communicate after being questioned / interrogated that really drive me nuts. I'll give you the usual countdown, if you haven't answered the question in that period of time, you're getting reported. Simply put. Not only did you refuse to participate as a team, you refused to communicate as one.

"Well Sir, that is not a reportable offense."

Directly no, I believe that is a hinderance to your team, which ultimately is the eternal discussion to determine again what is intentional game throwing? Does a person have to recognize and understand what they are doing is game changing, or have the basic concept of knowing that they aren't assisting in any way?

You could say intentional game throwing means a player knows beyond the shadow of a doubt that what they are doing is causing harm to their team's ability to win. Okay, sounds logical. Now like I said in the previous thread, it opens up a wide area. I mentioned in that thread that by refusing to participate with my teammates, I was intentionally game throwing, because I KNEW what the result of my actions would be. (I've already tested the theory)

Now if you play both sides of this argument, and say well a player may not be as experienced as you and may not understand that by refusing to participate in the game that it is giving your team a disadvantage. The same amount of people would tell me that i'm not experienced, and I know nothing John Snow, and i'm a noob. Okay, well by bringing your emotion into the argument, you again proved my point. You do not need to be intelligent to figure out that 1+1=2. Now it brings me back to my statement where if 2 people complete 1 task, it gets completed quicker. If Starcraft / Warcraft if you have an even amount of units as your opponent, but you focus fire down your opponents units one by one, you have a much better advantage, because you put the enemy units out of commission sooner and prevented them from dealing damage over a longer period of time. You do not need to be intelligent to know this, this is common sense, and if you refute it you're the reason why these problems exist.

MPendragon5/26/2018, 5:50:44 AM1 votes

Okay, so the only actual argument is players are not actually required to participate in the game. Forgive for me clarifying on the matter, but doesn't that seem counter productive? As a player, you are not required to participate in the game, which you decided to play, which takes place in a TEAM BASED atmosphere.

Well why do you get punished for leaving the game? Oh, the leaver buster declares that it provides a negative experience for other players. Huh, go figure. But if I were to say that players that don't participate in the game, provide me with a negative experience, how is that any different?

You are literally giving the A-Okay for avoiding afk detection, like many corrupted people do in the gaming business. "It is okay for you to abuse the built-in mechanics of the game, and avoid our afk detection, as long as you don't provide a negative experience for other players"

""Uhh, what about this player that is constantly pinging me with '?', i'm beginning to think he doesn't actually mean enemy players are missing. He seems pretty adamant that this match is going to be lost if I continue to avoid your afk detection""

"Don't even worry about there champ, keep it up, that player is bound to type something negative, and we will punish him for attempting to carry the game by physically participating in it, trying the hardest he can, but gosh darn it, using an offensive word. Oh gosh darn, that gosh darn offensiveness is always a gosh darn burden to our innocent community.

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well fucking played