Ban for x days or forever? Riot doesn't care.

Shinikaru·3/31/2019, 2:45:50 AM·9 votes·7,041 views

For most of us, if we've been banned for even one day we did something that earned us that punishment. You can qq and cry but if you stop and take a second you'd probably admit that all those chat-bans leading up to your hard ban were reasonable.

That being said; Riot relies far too much on their automated system, and has far too much control over our speech. No-one wants to be trolled by harassment in chat, or by silent players intent on ruining games while never saying a word.

Riots system does a great job at parsing chat and dealing out sometimes harsh penalties, ones that they justify by saying every-time that "the system looks at escalating values; the more you get reported the harsher it gets". That's great and all and logical, but it sure as hell isn't infallible and it Does get it wrong on a case by case sometimes. What it gets right is trend. Like a credit report, or the stock market, you can trend up or down, it ignores individual points where it matters usually except for early offenders.

So that's the system, it needs work however.

  1. For one the system parses text great, nice job blitz-bot! BUT it truly sucks at looking at gameplay. That's probably the only reason outside of a nod to customer-service that the "talk to a human" option even exists after a ban or restriction. They simply can't write an algorithm to see game-play trolling as easily as chat trolling. Which is why outside of timed afks; player feeding and refusal to team-play is rarely complained about as a ban reason. It just doesn't happen much in their system.

2.Their system also fails because it ignores INDIVIDUAL POINTS. Everyone takes for granted that every report and every 'card' only shows YOUR chat. That's a pretty one-sided conversation. It erases all context, and places ALL blame Squarely on a persons ability to Ignore/Pass over/React POSITIVELY to 9 other Peoples Behaviors. I don't know about the rest of you; but I'm decidedly NOT a Zen-Master, the Dali Lama, Mother Teresa, or the Nobel Peace prize laureate of my time. Indeed sometimes I'm BRUCE GODDAMN LEE in my head. Never start a fight, but finish it will I. (yes Yoda).

My point is Their system has been pointed in a direction that puts all the blame on us as individuals. We get Zero chance or option to reply to our situation in games, because the more we reply to our team in chat the more their system builds a case against us; and the case is being metered out by an algorithm first, and a human as a distant second, as the human Almost Always backs the algorithm. (it has too).

Riots game is NOT a Democracy, make no mistake it is a mini-dictatorship that shows us exactly what happens when the people that have control have far too much of it when it relates to freedom of speech.

In the end Riot does have far too much control over our speech, and for good reasons. Justifiable ones, for the 'community' and don't forget also monetarily.

The could Honestly use an independent body to review player suspend-complaints instead of their internal one, or a player based one. They did do a player based "self-check" on themselves while they developed the blitz-bot and auto punish system to fine tune it as they called it. They removed it seasons ago; it needs to come back if only to "CHECK" the accuracy of their current system.

I'm pretty sure that if they do that they will find that their algorithm does Indeed need some fine tuning, or at lest more Human interaction that is actually acted upon.

Until then stay strong my brothers and sisters, spend not a dime on their game, and level those smurfs.

The banstick is hard, and unforgiving.

54 Comments

Jo0o3/31/2019, 2:54:28 AM12 votes

Yeah, I don't buy it.

Would it be great for Riot to judge based on context and absolve individuals who were provoked, tricked, baited, or otherwise maneuvered into toxic chat in such a way that should be forgiven? Yeah, maybe. But that's fucking impossible, and I challenge you to come anywhere close to articulating how a system would function in such a way. The current system is fair: Flaming is against the rules, period. And you know what? I like that. Because fuck anybody with such a fragile ego that they need to flame out in a game where I'm trying to actually win, and they can leave their "but he started it" bullshit on the third-grade playground where it belongs.

Can Riot do a better job detecting trolls? Sure. But does their automated system make mistakes? You claim it does, but I haven't seen it. Feel free to show your work and provide some examples.

Shinikaru3/31/2019, 3:44:55 AM3 votes

Moving this to Reddit. Honestly can't even trust their community boards to be free of shadow-mods. Less likely on reddit..

Dont Tell Mom3/31/2019, 10:01:13 PM3 votes

I got banned for calling myself a %%%%%% once, 14 days, never have I been banned prior, never a restrict, never a warning nothing, I just logged in and bam, 14 days, the only thing that was in my card was "Yea, I'm such a %%%%%% lmao" Now I just try to be as toxic as I can, if I can get shafted that much for no reason then I guess I can at least fgive riot a reason, no more filters, call a trash a trash, ironically, I've not been punished again yet.

luzz3/31/2019, 3:33:27 PM2 votes

I'm close to season 1, and remember how toxic it was, thinking sheesh .... It's just a game.... Playing a game of basketball with some peeps in the day, there's always someone that gets sloppy with their words. Difference is you actually can see whom your playing against.... Which in return you may be less likely to say what you think. Thinking the consequences, may have be not what you want out of it..... Sadly here, in the virtual world.... Folks filter is not harnessed.... People's mouths run a foul in the safety of their own house.... Constructive criticism is always welcome, but being a asshole.. is totally out of line. If the game gets you that worked, maybe time to get out do something else for stress relief ... Obviously the game is way too stressful to not keep your filter on.

Shinikaru3/31/2019, 3:01:27 AM2 votes

I could do the work for you but reading their forums and reddit posts for the last 2 years kind of back it up. Google for 10minutes and its there. (As well as every single other person that has noticed this, every other post about the same thing.)

Like I said it's not a Democracy, we should all strive to NEVER SPEAK in game chat...because one heated moment, one single game where you said something that set off a person in a 4man team and they all troll-report you..that gets you on riots algorithms radar so to speak.

I'm confused if you are denying that troll reports never happen, or never hurt the community as a whole? Because I assure you, troll reports happen; and troll reports do in fact hurt individual players on a daily basis: "as taken into the context of their automated systems penalties".

Shinikaru3/31/2019, 4:25:23 AM2 votes

actually the fact that I responded to them at all and called them out for trollish behavior killed any reasonable discussion. Dissagreement is the CORE of any discourse. Having opposing viewpoints is the basis of opposing views. I did it with Respect, they engaged in antagonistic flavor. Why am I the one being called out for it? Just like in any given 'normal' game in league.

Also well within my first amendment rights. You people are giving up freedom to speak without fear of repercussion?

I value and want the opposite view, I relish being debated and proven wrong; however prove me wrong, don't correct my lack of an apostrophe.

Þity3/31/2019, 7:31:56 PM2 votes

I mean yeah, why do you think people snap mute everyone and just silently feed, people have int lists and use them because the only thing you’ll get banned for is typing lmao

ModRowanstar3/31/2019, 7:20:05 PM2 votes

Hello there (Obi-Wan lol). Actually while I agree that looking at the entire conversation is necessary, I do not believe that Riot is too controlling. Everyone is free to state their opinion and I personally would gladly support ideas that are good and beneficial. Indeed there is a double-bladed sword here. One hand blade, I understand the need to defend oneself. I have suffered bullying quite often in the past and it is necessary not to let bullies treat ppl like doormats. On the other, ANYONE breaking the rules should face the consequences, because if you flame at the flamer, it creates a war essentially and people take sides. Then it just spreads hate. So while we support a voice of opinion and even being firm and assertive (which you should be) it is when people use profanity, slurs and negative or hateful speech that it becomes an issue. That is why ppl who got flamed at also get banned.

BUT: you are right. having a robotic system may work in some cases, but there are times when a situation needs to be looked at and taken into consideration. If Vivek starts flaming Yvonne (specifically with profanity, insults and slurs), and Yvonne fights back with profanity, Vivek should receive a ban and Yvonne should be warned. But if Yvonne plays well and Vivek starts purposefully messing up the game and causing trouble and gets reported, but Yvonne gets reported for getting into a heated argument with Vivek, she gets the harsher punishment due to speech, which is where I agree....gameplay behavior should be considered as well. So it is a tough thing to balance out, because is feeding worse than hate speech?

bluefire mark 23/31/2019, 9:39:44 PM2 votes

the banstick is too hard and unforgiving. People who know me know I'm not a toxic guy, hardly type in chat really. But then someone says report me for inting when I'm 0/3 in lane, i get annoyed. Yes, i could ignore them. 90% of the time i do. But sometimes I'm just having a bad day and not thinking straight, so i explain to them inting means intentional and to shut up, leave me alone and play the game. Getting tilted off a bad game from someone being toxic to me once a month at most got me perm banned. So what the actual heck? Do i deserve a perm? No, heck no! Could i have lied with all that i just said? I mean yes i COULD have but what's the point of lying to random people that don't know me and can't fix the ban? Zero point. Cry for my chat logs? I have one on the computer. Will i post it? No, because it takes me saying something like "int.. int really?" In response to them saying report me for inting and makes it look like I'm being toxic and saying someones inting. The system sucks. Idc if any of you reading this don't agree. It does. If you say "well you fought back so you deserve it." Well we're not all pretty little perfect saints that don't respond every time, especially while having a bad day. And what else? Well, why would i get banned and not them? Think about it, even if i FIGHT BACK I'm not creating a problem within the community UNLESS someone else causes it to me. So, there is absolutely zero reason to ban me when you could ban the real problem. Or really, how about we just don't ban chat related issues unless the person is VERY CONSISTENTLY (NOT ONCE A MONTH RITO YOU IDIOTS) and Very harshly. If you want to argue me feel free to, but this isn't a "this is what i think change my mind" since I'm completely made up on this subject. I think the system needs changed. Be less harsh. Yes people should get punished for being mean, but permanently banned for having one tilting and bad day/game once a month is not perm ban worthy. Good day summoners.

Chub Rub3/31/2019, 2:36:55 PM2 votes

I'm season 1 : gatekeeper who had 10+ accounts banned

arealno0b4/2/2019, 1:03:46 PM1 votes

Riot doesn't care, As long as they get your money they could careless. I played plenty of games where if u are being punished u have the opportunity to fight the clam and have it overturned. But how riot is clearly a dictator I get the I accept the punishment option. Zero chance to defend yourself. So like this guy said don't spend a dime and keep smurfing 😁

FNC Petless3/31/2019, 4:57:57 PM1 votes

My 14 day ban was super sudden. No chatban/low -prio queue and only one game was shown, which i played like 20 days before the ban. And tbh my behaviour was bad, but no indication that im gonna get banned for 14 days, and the point that it only showed me one game where i wasnt even that toxic looking back at other games i played in that time.

Legendary Anubis3/31/2019, 7:03:56 PM1 votes

Best thing to do is mute those who try to troll you and keep going. It prevents you from getting banned/reported and you are able to continue to focus on the game. Just don’t fall for the bait.

Karlosbubi3/31/2019, 7:11:09 PM1 votes

The Game Play feed/troll detection can be damm annoying and unfair too. For example before i started with lol, i've trye the game on a friend's pc and with his account, but (who wonders) i was so bad to his normal (he closely hit diamond 2) and so he got banned for 3 days. I know it's not allowed to let someone else play, bit a 3 day ban for 2 bad (rather horrible) games, isn't fair, it weren't even ranked games.

Imeltsteelbeams4/1/2019, 4:27:17 PM1 votes

Their automated ban bot isn't perfect. I had someone tell me to kill myself and for my family to get killed. I reported it to riot and nothing happened. Guy is still playing.