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Is this perma-ban for int. feeding justified?

Boku no Flash··7 votes·8,708 views

Hello, earlier this week, I wrote a post about "why I was perma-banned." It was not for excessive toxicity, but for intentional feeding. I decided to write another post due to finding the exact reason, as the other current post is on the subject of toxicity.

"Hello Boku,

You weren't banned for excessive toxicity. Your account has been permanently closed for in-game actions following a specialized audit that tracks this sort of behavior, which may include griefing other players or intentionally feeding. These actions are against the Summoner's Code and the Terms of Use, which you agreed upon when signing up for League of Legends.

For more information, check out Lyte's forum post on the initiative here:

http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=4813730

In your games you would take champions like Lee Sin and Skarner at support and run into the enemy team to feed several kills despite your team asking you to stop. This behavior is unacceptable in game."

Those games are pretty hard to tell without looking at vods, videos. This is my stance on those games, I am a support and jungle main. I wanted to try new things out in ranked, so I wanted to try out new play-styles in ranked.

I will explain my reasons on why I picked them. Lee sin: offers high damage early game, mini shield, a slow, and an ult that acts as a huge peel with a low cd. Skarner: a slow, stun, shield, and a ult to peel. I wanted to experiment with those picks. I have played games with them, and apparently due to bad KDAs from result from a bad experimentation (it looked like I was feeding intentionally).

I did not run into the enemy team alone, and would only go in if some of my team-mates are near. I have this habit of sometime going in without my team even in regular games. Tunnel vision myself frequently. But, I do not go in front of them to get a free kill on me, nor do I just afk under the enemy towers. This is pretty hard to tell without looking at VODs.

As stated by riot, I wasn't banned for excessive toxicity. All I ask for is a 2nd chance, a 14-day ban as this account has never received a single ban before over the course of 6 years. I am not a major toxic player. Not playing league hurts my soul, I will never pick odd champions for support picks again. I want to reform on this account, I spent too many memories and time on this account for be perma-banned.

Match history for skarner and lee:

Skarner: http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-history/NA1/45375049?champion=72 Lee sin: http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-history/NA1/45375049?champion=64

45 Comments

EvilDustMan7 votes

Bad plays don't get banned. They only ban you if they are certain you fed to a very strong degree. They can track if you waste summoners or abilities. They can tell if you are trying to feed by stopping and starting. You are right. We can't judge without info. This board has no info. Riot has lots of data. Since Riot doesn't ban people for no reason, I am not inclined to believe you.

ModWulf Helhammer5 votes

You should not be trying out new playstyles in ranked.

And if you genuinely wanted to use those strategies, you would not be repeatedly getting those horrible scores, especially when you already play Lee, so you know who he works

Boku no Flash1 votes

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You should not be trying out new playstyles in ranked.

And if you genuinely wanted to use those strategies, you would not be repeatedly getting those horrible scores, especially when you already play Lee, so you know who he works

does the skarner link work now?

ModWulf Helhammer1 votes

yep it works now

Ward Baron5 votes

If your account was banned for feeding then something is wrong here. I don't see a pattern of "feeding", I could post accounts all day that are consistent feeders in ranked yet they are still playing. I see some games that look questionable and don't know what was said in game, but to go right to a perma-ban? This isn't what a flat-out feeder account looks like. Even if this is what riot thinks it is he should get a 14 day first. This guys been playing for seasons, give him a break. Placements is tilt city. I think ranked players who die allot should just be blocked from ranked until they get a good KDA in Normal Draft This is something that has been a long time coming to balance out the people who want to punish for toxic.

Boku no Flash2 votes

As quoted from the conversation of Riot Support:

Hello again,

Experimentation is best done in a medium where other players are willing to accept that, and in some of these games it was apparent to not only your team but the enemy team as well that what you were doing was intentional. As things stand we will not be willing to unban your account.

I have not said that much in game, since I wasn't banned for excessive toxic behavior but for intentional feeding. My team must told the enemy team to report me, because why not? A skarner and lee-sin support with a terrible KDAs? That looks reportable, so yea ....

Taken directly from your website: http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/player-behavior/instant-feedback-powers

"Intentional feeders ruin games, so the behavior nets offending players two-week bans, and can escalate to permanent bans if the behavior continues. Through a ton of in-game metrics, chat logs, and even historical play patterns, ... "

This is my first case of intentional feeding, yet I received a perma-ban. A 14-day ban would of been more reasonable. This perma-ban is very cruel for a first time intentional feeding case, please give me mercy. Please reconsider Riot :(

Ward Baron2 votes

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As quoted from the conversation of Riot Support:

I have not said that much in game, since I wasn't banned for excessive toxic behavior but for intentional feeding. My team must told the enemy team to report me, because why not? A skarner and lee-sin support with a terrible KDAs? That looks reportable, so yea ....

Taken directly from your website: http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/player-behavior/instant-feedback-powers

"Intentional feeders ruin games, so the behavior nets offending players two-week bans, and can escalate to permanent bans if the behavior continues. Through a ton of in-game metrics, chat logs, and even historical play patterns, ... "

This is my first case of intentional feeding, yet I received a perma-ban. A 14-day ban would of been more reasonable. This perma-ban is very cruel for a first time intentional feeding case, please give me mercy. Please reconsider Riot :(

Unless there is something more, this doesn't make sense. NOBODY who has invested in an account for years should just be flat out banned over what I see. Is it the MMR he is playing at or are there now mass graves full of Bronze/Silver players accounts. I haven't seen a players account get such an extreme punishment over what I see. I don't know you guy but I really hope riot changes their mind. I'm voting "not perma-ban"

Ada Wong1 votes

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Unless there is something more, this doesn't make sense. NOBODY who has invested in an account for years should just be flat out banned over what I see. Is it the MMR he is playing at or are there now mass graves full of Bronze/Silver players accounts. I haven't seen a players account get such an extreme punishment over what I see. I don't know you guy but I really hope riot changes their mind. I'm voting "not perma-ban"

Honestly he still did a lot better than I did with the feeding in your games, so it should at least be lowered to two weeks, and with the new role system I am sure you could do better just avoid duo roles unless you duo with a friend.

Honestly I have duo with someone who played for only 2 weeks and won every game while I duo with someone who argues and played for over a month and did worse makes sense?

I understand at what point Intentional Feeding ruins games, But Riot also has to understand too that doing bad is not Intentional Feeding?

Should all the players get punished because I completely snow-balled in two games not because the mid laner really fed me but because I used teleport tactic and took control over the entire game then just slaughtered everyone?

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2083027457/37682357?tab=overview

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2082178234/37682357

Faceplow4 votes

You have Riot telling you, as long as you aren't intentionally trolling or being toxic and you are being a good player trying to win the game then you have nothing to fear from being banned.

But then on the other hand you have Riot telling you that if you don't play like the pros play and stick to a strict standard you can be banned.

I've played Rengar support before with success because Leona is my main support and I really got frustrated with not being able to carry as a tanky support when my team or ADC isn't really good or isn't playing very well.

I have to admit it's confusing as hell. I've tried looking up an answer and there's really no definitive answer.

Frap Achiino1 votes

Wait, he said he was trying new stuff, and then it's all ranked games. Don't play ranked unless you know how and what you are playing. that simple. Normals are to try out stuff, not ranked. I'd rather play with one trick ponies than AD Annies any day of the week

Forever Pantheon4 votes

Your scores are not good but they are not outrageous either. I see scores like yours in every game I play. 10 players can't win every game. I denounce riot and hope your account gets restored. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Livin like Riven4 votes

In those two cases, your support scores are about as bad as the games in the JG where you had also performed poorly with them, too. In some cases, the Skarner supp scores were better than the Skarner JG, so I'd say Riot clearly overstepped here.

Bowstin3 votes

Honestly.. do you expect us to believe this?

I agree that the punishments have become harsher than necessary, but don't feed us this utter garbage on how you had a few games of poor KDA - especially under roles you're supposed to main.

Here's some advice: Own up to your repulsive behavior, admit that you fed because you lack self-control, and join the large community of smurfs who also had to face the same realization that Riot is strictly enforcing their zero tolerance policy.

Boku no Flash3 votes

I am owning up to my behavior ... since I played so bad with those KDAs with a non-support champ (mind as well say I was feeding). I can't have fun with unique picks? I wouldn't pick champions without a few set of peels, but then it is not a justification intentional feeding if it does not bring the positive kda along with the wins. Would this be a different story if all those games had standard KDAs, regular supports, full of wins?

You're still correct with your points. You're not wrong.

The only point I want to put emphasis on is, like you said "punishments have become harsher than necessary," have I gotten an early punishment of a temporary ban; I would never choose off-meta picks again. Now, if I do create a new account, I will have to come into with a new mindset of "Don't play off-meta picks."

Frap Achiino1 votes

I can't have fun with unique picks, this comment tells me you were goofing around, in ranked. Nope casuals should play normals. You should try to win ranked games.

ColoneI Kimochi3 votes

So what you're saying is that, because he mains these characters, he is not allowed to ever have a game in which he does poorly in ? Really ? Because you know, it's not like it's possible to ever have a bad game where you end up being placed in a team that doesn't do well, or placed against a team that just happens to be a lot better than yours. I mean, just because you main a character, it means that you shouldn't ever do badly in a game despite the circumstances. You main a character, therefore, you are never ever ever going to do badly with it. Am I getting this right ?

That is garbage.

Bowstin3 votes

His thread is nonsense.

It's common to play poorly, but there's obviously more factors at play which is why he received the ban.

Boku no Flash2 votes

How is it nonsense? Riot told me it was for getting both reports from my team and the enemy team for my lee-sin and skarner games. And, I explained my stance on them in this post. Major toxicity is not a factor, since Riot stated "excessive toxicity" was not a reason.

R3alMoney3 votes

You literally cannot play bad, talk back to a toxic player, express any negative opinion about anything without risking a permanent ban. The machine that controls the tribunal is learning that anyone who is being reported should get banned. It will create its own justification for doing so. It'll look at your chat, your KDA, and it'll ban you. Behold the harshest most intolerant system ever created in a game. All to rid the community of what will never disappear: toxicity. It's like the war on drugs, or the war on terror. It'll always be there, and there will always be collateral damage. It' s a huge waste of people's efforts because the implementation is crap. I'm not saying it's not worth fighting, but it's hurting so many people who don't deserve it. You can actually get permabanned now for calling someone trash in response to them calling you racist slurs if they report you.

spirit cooking1 votes

{quoted}

You literally cannot play bad, talk back to a toxic player, express any negative opinion about anything without risking a permanent ban. The machine that controls the tribunal is learning that anyone who is being reported should get banned. It will create its own justification for doing so. It'll look at your chat, your KDA, and it'll ban you. Behold the harshest most intolerant system ever created in a game.** All to rid the community of what will never disappear: toxicity.** It's like the war on drugs, or the war on terror. It'll always be there, and there will always be collateral damage. It' s a huge waste of people's efforts because the implementation is crap. I'm not saying it's not worth fighting, but it's hurting so many people who don't deserve it. You can actually get permabanned now for calling someone trash in response to them calling you racist slurs if they report you.

You got most of it right, but not the motive. They're doing this for MONEY.

HorusEye2 votes

What were you doing, trying new stuffs in Rank instead of Normals?

Boku no Flash1 votes

I am mostly a ranked player, and find it more fun to play my games on. Yet, I came into a late realization that I should not be doing odd picks or experimentations on ranked unless I have full mastery of them. Hence, it was wrong that I tried them in ranked instead of normals.

ToxicOrRito 2 votes

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Yet, I came into a late realization that I should not be doing odd picks or experimentations on ranked unless I have full mastery of them. Hence, it was wrong that I tried them in ranked instead of normals.

A six years late realization? As in, you stated the account is six years old.

Not buying what you're selling here.

Boku no Flash2 votes

As I said, this account have never received a single ban of any form. I just wish that I gotten an earlier punishment /or notification of a temporary ban ( so, Riot tells me that it doesn't accept these kind of games) instead of perma-banning me swiftly. I lived under a fake assumption that I was playing "fine," a temporary ban would of tell me to "stop it."

ColoneI Kimochi1 votes

I believe he had more than enough skill to warrant him trying it out in a ranked game. It's not like he never played the champions before, and didn't understand the skills/plays/pros &cons of each character he had tried out. It's also not like he had done this constantly for the past 6 years. These instances occurred within a few games literally within a month or two.

ofart1 votes

{quoted}

What were you doing, trying new stuffs in Rank instead of Normals?

Intentional feeding is a very specific behavior and not the same as "experimented and didn't try his best." It is when someone actually is dying on purpose. That's it. It isn't just about performance.

Boku no Flash2 votes

A perma-ban is way too harsh for a 6 year old account that never received a single ban in any form.

If I had gotten a prior ban, such as a 14-day ban. This would of brought great attention to not trying out new playstyles in ranked. A single ban would of opened my eyes to not bring those type of games into ranked.

Do you believe a 14-day ban would of been more justified?

GRVet3ran0sS2 votes

Yes.

Boku no Flash2 votes

Taken directly from the website: http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/player-behavior/instant-feedback-powers

"Intentional feeders ruin games, so the behavior nets offending players two-week bans, and can escalate to permanent bans if the behavior continues. Through a ton of in-game metrics, chat logs, and even historical play patterns, ... "

This is my first case of intentional feeding, yet I received a perma-ban. Why was I not granted a 14-day ban? I am not a major toxic excessive player. This perma-ban is very cruel for a first time intentional feeding case. A 14-day ban is more reasonable, I am at loss ....

Boku no Flash2 votes

I have sent an appeal fully explaining my actions to Riot, and they have decided to give me a 2nd chance in form of a 14-day ban.

Thank you all for reading my long paragraphs, and your support.

Thank you Riot.

FearEngineer1 votes

Takes 6 years to get enough reports to warrant banning you, and then you get off with "I'm sowwy"

I wonder how many people got banned in those 6 years from chewing you out in the chat...

Boku no Flash1 votes

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ModWulf Helhammer1 votes

you messed up the Skarner link

yashovam1 votes

I take almost every champ I like into mid lane, even fiora and it works, sometimes it doesent but the game is supossed to be fun, so I can say I'll support your argument, I think punishment for feeding in generally is evident because you simply get placed in lower elo.

ModWulf Helhammer1 votes

He was trying the new stuff in ranked

spirit cooking1 votes

He died twice in a 40 minute game.... is this real?

Ada Wong1 votes

What you need to do is "File an Appeal"

Tell them you know you were banned for "Feeding"

Explain to them you are sorry for your actions of unjust feeding, and why your game-play went bad, and that with the new "Role Selection" you will do your best to improve on it.

I went in a lot of my games because of doing bot roles, and I fed 20+ Deaths in some of my games and they lifted the ban, I don't think I have done this bad since the new season, sure sometimes im getting matches with players who don't care but don't think I have done this bad lately.

Riot can lift the suspension, even if they asked you to "Stop Feeding" you need to explain about why you feed with skarner, and lee-sin for example you could have went in and your "ADC" did not follow up immediately which is my reason for feeding with him with most solo queue players as a support.

You do have a chance to get your account back, but you need to tell the truth, and ask to speak to a Riot Games manager, the matches I have seen don't look that bad compared to what mine are so you might have a chance but you have to keep up and be respectful to Riot, if you treat them like trash they will just leave you banned.

Boku no Flash1 votes

How would I file an appeal? Make a new support ticket?

Ada Wong1 votes

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How would I file an appeal? Make a new support ticket?

You contact Riot Games, you tell them you were banned for Intentional Feeding.

You explain to them why you did bad in your games.

You apologize for your bad play and tell them you will do your best not to do this again and you can play better with the new role system.

You tell them, Thank You at the end, and you keep up with it but in a respectful way, as well as ask them for a chance to prove you are not "Intentionally Feeding."

They can lower the ban in the least to a 2 week ban or something for you.

I would recommend avoiding bot lane roles all together just Top/Mid/Jung only, Lee-sin is great but not in lower elo for a support.

Ada Wong1 votes

I think the problem with most off meta stuff is players in (Solo Queue) Do not use their brains, I don't mean to offend people here, I am not calling anyone on the forums stupid or anything but its just what I feel from experience.

For example if someone goes "Teemo Support" Players rage over it, "Leesin Support" Is great, " Skarner Support" Could be great, but the problem is knowing (When to do this and when not to.) and on top of this is the other player you are with "Skilled enough to know what to do" For example playing Lee-Sin its easy to feed in Lower Elo, because you go in, and your ADC stands there shooting creeps instead of doing anything useful, for example people don't understand champion ability's to their maximum for example when to go in and when not to.

I don't think that what I have seen here should warrant a perm-ban from League, unless you called out in chat you were Intentionally Feeding, or something, but just doing poorly because others had no idea how to play shouldn't be ban worthy, or you should be given a chance to at least not fill bot lane roles and prove to Riot respectfully you were not feeding intentionally.

I mean a lot of people say "Stop feeding" a lot in chat, but its really not helpful when the enemy is ahead, a counter, and your team comp is bad, or unskilled players who don't do what they should be doing in fights then yeah obviously some people are going to Feed, and its not really "Intentional" on that for sure.

Dominick Destine1 votes

Something does not 'feel' right, I sense the full story has not been released.

Riot would not ban someone for unconventional picks, they especially wouldn't ban someone for it.

Boku no Flash1 votes

the only details Riot had released to me, was that I kept charging in as lee-sin and skarner support even when my team told me to stop with getting reports from both sides as well.

Ada Wong1 votes

The thing about Lee-Sin, and Skarner is usually they are supposed to be front line champions under certain exceptions of other types of play being made, if your team isn't playing around that, has not setup a sync strategy good luck playing and winning games cuz some people honestly just don't care.

Troll Armada1 votes

boosters/cheaters/trolls have a system of win trading/feeding which they have been using for a while.

FearEngineer1 votes

"I wanted to try new things out in ranked, so I wanted to try out new play-styles in ranked."

You deserve what you got, because that is wrong. That is trolling and asking to lose, of your own intention. Bye Bye Feeder~

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