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On jungle, ganking and taking kills

somebady·11/15/2016, 7:24:05 PM·2 votes·1,736 views

So, i don't play jungle alot, but when i do people always want to report me for not ganking enough. (only play jgle in normals)

  • Do i have ANY obligation to gank a lane alot if they are losing their lane ? Just imagine: top gave aleady 2 kills, but keeps going aggresive, and is spamming me to gank. But i as jungler just never see a chance to pull of a succesfull gank. Does he have any right to report me or blame me for losing his lane? (he started flaming on me alot)
  • It happens i try something fun like quinn jungle, but it's a first time and i die because i missjudged how many camps i could take. I end up running behind immensly and am unable to really pull of any good ganks. Can i be reported for that ?
  • there is a lane asking for help, you gank and take the kill. He starts flaming me for KS . Later i gank again and i so happend to take the kill again. He starts calling me toxic etc... Do i have any obligation as jungler to give the kills to the laner i gank ?

Personally, i don't like playing jungle, not because i don't like clearing camps, but because the jungler is the target of most of the flame. I almost feel scared taking jungle as a role now, even though i want to learn it.

And yes, i know giving kills to the laner is probably the best option, and yes i know i could gank more etc... But How can i do that if i recieve all blame if a gank goes wrong ? People really should stop being so harsh on junglers.

ps i love the changes to the new jungle, makes clearing way easier for n00bs like me :)

14 Comments

Jayblaze11/15/2016, 7:34:42 PM1 votes

When a lane is 0/2+, dont gank it. Focus on other lanes and try make them fed to make up for your lane that fed the enemy. If you were able to make other lanes fed (and you at the same time), then maybe help the losing lane. You better let the laner last hit the kill, if it is safe to do so, but only if the guy youre ganking is playing a carry type champion. In general, giving the kill to your laner is the best option because theyll have an easier time for the laning phase.

And ignore the kid that flames you for not ganking, or tell him that youll focus on other lanes to make up for his mistakes

My Sea Cow11/15/2016, 7:39:28 PM1 votes

You can get reported for anything...but getting punished, that's a different story.

If you can gank and bring the laner back into game, then yes gank the lane and help your laner...but if by ganking you feel you're just going to give the enemy a double kill then just politely explain that to your laner and hope they understand. But use that time instead to get the other lanes ahead. You can't be punished for not ganking a lane. If he still needs help, then if your mid laner is fed, do a 2 man gank...have mid roam with you so it's a better chance of a successful gank.

As for getting behind because you miscalculate how much camps you can take, you won't get punished for that, but please don't play a new champion in ranked....use normals for that.

As for who gets what kill...depends on who you're playing, who the lane is, etc. Top laner a tank but you're a carry type jungler? Take the kill. ADC lane? Probably best to give to ADC. You're the tank? Give it to laner if possible. But...think the enemy will get away? Just make sure they die...don't let the enemy live. There's no such thing as a kill steal. It's kill secure. Let the bronze players complain all they want. At the end of the day they get gold for the assist and they can flame all they want.

Junglers get so much flame and so much pressure from laners but in all honesty you just follow your instincts. If you don't think you can gank a lane, then don't. If you don't think counter jungling is a good idea, then don't. If they start flaming you, just mute them and move on. WHen I learned jungling I muted them right off the bat...I told them this and asked them to use pings only if they needed something.

Junglers will receive most blame cause it's easier to blame someone not in lane. As someone who used to main jungling I'll be the first person to defend the jungler when someone is flaming them but it's definitely sad that they put the blame on them.

XinZhao2WinNhao11/15/2016, 8:48:20 PM1 votes
  1. He has no right to report you, but you should have helped him.
  2. No
  3. No
Morality Coach11/15/2016, 9:06:13 PM1 votes

Stop playing Jungle unless you're going to learn it 100%. It requires the most thinking out of any role, gets the most toxic flame of any role and you aren't going to have fun unless you become a real jungler and avoid that toxic flame.

EndlessSorcerer11/16/2016, 12:15:49 AM1 votes

Do i have ANY obligation to gank a lane alot if they are losing their lane ?

No.

Part of jungling is knowing when to cut your losses and abandon a losing lane. If they are losing badly, then they cannot be trusted to not throw any lead you manage to get for them nor to carry the game.

If you are strong enough to kill their opponent solo, feel free to do so. However, this is more about shutting down the enemy than aiding your ally.

Take objectives elsewhere, work to secure your more reliable allies a lead and try to stem the bleeding in the lost lane.

It happens i try something fun like quinn jungle, but it's a first time and i die because i missjudged how many camps i could take. I end up running behind immensly and am unable to really pull of any good ganks. Can i be reported for that ?

No. You technically can be (since you can be reported for any reason), but it wouldn't be valid nor would it lead to any sort of punishment.

However, I would recommend doing a quick test-clear in a custom game before playing them in a normal game. Avoid taking the champion into ranked if you don't know even that much about them.

Do i have any obligation as jungler to give the kills to the laner i gank ?

No.

While it can often be beneficial to provide the kills to laners (especially if you are a utility jungler and they are a carry), it isn't necessary. In many cases, taking a couple of the early kills for yourself (even on tank or utility junglers) is beneficial; if you secure yourself a lead, you can use your advantage to snowball your laners and secure objectives.

This is especially true on carry junglers (i.e. Kha'zix, Hecarim, Twitch, Master Yi, Wukong, etc) who need gold for their core items.

If someone starts being toxic over you taking a kill, they are an idiot. Just mute them.

WeepinShades11/17/2016, 1:01:50 AM1 votes

When you are jungling you get decide what you do with your time. You also get to decide what happens with your buffs. You can take as many kills as you want (especially in a freaking normal game). This isn't up to anyone else no matter how much they kick and scream. Whether they report you or not is irrelevant, you can't be banned for making sub-optimal plays in your role (assuming of course that they're sub optimal). I play a lot of solo jungle in normals and ranked and this is the mentality you need to have because of how insanely toxic solo jungle is. I have some further thoughts about this:

  • If someone on your team is losing their lane there is a strong chance they are going to get upset and blame you no matter what you do. Even if your team is way ahead, even if you've already tried helping them. This happens almost every game and I'm not exaggerating or miss-remembering. This is the reality of playing soloQ with other premades. And just for the record, if someone NEEDS a gank to win their lane they are an unskilled player.

  • If you're not playing an early game jungler your teammates are way more likely to be toxic. I play mostly late/mid game junglers like amumu, mundo, chogath, etc etc and I can't tell you how many times people get upset at me for not applying as much early game pressure as the enemy lee sin or nidalee. League players just can't handle losing early game. Or losing in any way at all. Hell, some of them can't even handle winning. Again, this is just the reality of playing solo Q in the jungle.