Got Perma’d for saying “ You’re garbage”

KuraSei·8/27/2019, 10:13:21 PM·3 votes·3,036 views

Clearly, to get permanently banned you have to get reported a lot. And to say I’m not toxic would be a lie. But I don’t call people names. I don’t swear. I often just say things like “ you’re not good your champ is cancer” that kind of stuff. After getting a two week ban I was like okay if we say anything bad bye bye this account. Played a game where my Mid laner got super mad and started raging at me the Adc and our jungler. At first it was funny because he was really doing poorly so I didn’t care about his opinion. But after a while I got annoyed so I said “ Dude you’re garbage?” And when he told me I sucked I said he did as well. I got permanently banned. There was only this one game of chat logs as evidence. I should’ve just stopped typing in general, yes. But the fact that you would get an account penalty for something like this is insane. This company is just so soft. You should only get banned for slurs and hurtful insults. The fact that you can’t banter at all without risk of a ban is a joke. They just want this to be a game where little kids feel comfortable. If they successfully make the community Disney then they will win over the fortnite kids. Just kind of a joke. Not to mention all the inters I have encountered that never got banned. Quality system. GG

29 Comments

ModThe Djinn8/27/2019, 10:14:48 PM9 votes

Calling some garbage is an insult. If you had a previous 14-day ban insulting others even once or twice can get you permanently banned. That's not friendly banter -- that's just being a bit of a jerk.

Tailypo8/28/2019, 12:28:36 AM4 votes

Great! One less asshat calling people garbage. See ya.

Telephone Booth8/27/2019, 10:20:07 PM4 votes

Lol dont try to play it off like it was just banter. You said yourself that you were annoyed and he was raging. Banter is a bit more playful than annoying and ragey. So yeah, calling people garbage is very insulting. Im a human being, not waste that belongs in a landfill. You said yourself, you should only get banned for slurs and hurtful insults. Youre comparing someone to garbage. Thats worse than any stupid slurs that i can think of. The N word? I hear black people say it all the time, what is its meaning anyways? The gay slur F word? What does it mean??? Bundle of sticks, cigarette? Why are these so bad compared to calling a human being trash, waste, garbage? (Just playing devils advocate here ;))

DBS Ronovon8/27/2019, 11:02:19 PM1 votes

I see.... well $60 is more than nothing, but I have spent around $2000 total.

If you don't spend more than a couple hundred on the game, your likelihood of getting perma banned goes up I think.

Riot will tell you different, but in my case, I was suspended about 5 times, and met the same criterion for being Perma banned, but I wasn't.

You are just another example of Riot banning someone who hasn't put much money into the game because you're a low risk for retaliation to them due to lack of investment.

I think banning players is wrong even if they paid very low amounts, because they did in fact pay for in game stuff.

You should be able to apply those skins to your new account that you make or get reimbursed the RP somehow in game or be given your $60 back for being banned.

That would be the Right thing for Riot to do in this case.

BigBellBrute8/28/2019, 12:46:28 AM1 votes

Saying you're garbage in that game was the proverbial straw.

You were banned for more than just that.

SEKAI8/29/2019, 6:12:38 AM1 votes

If only OP wrote "Your garbage" instead. At least I'll have material to quip about by saying that OP deserves the perma because they got "you're" and "your" wrong.

But oh well.

KFCeytron8/27/2019, 10:25:15 PM1 votes

So, it has come to this: someone displayed misbehavior in a LoL match in flagrant disregard for the game's rules, ToS, EULA, and Summoner's Code. That's unfortunate, and I'm sorry you had to deal with it. If this misbehavior happened in chat (including emotes or ping) and they don't respond positively to a single, courteous, constructive request to focus on the game, your best option is to mute that player. Submit a report after the match. This is equivalent to dealing with a noisy person in a library by asking them to keep it down and then notifying library staff and moving to another area.

Do not respond with misbehavior of your own! If you do that, your teammates may mute and report you, and those reports would be valid. This is equivalent to dealing with a noisy person in a library by getting into a shouting match with them. Just because someone else started it doesn't justify you in continuing it. I'm sure you're familiar with the "s/he started it" trope, where two children get into an argument or fight and then try to claim innocence of any wrongdoing by claiming that they didn't instigate it. As any parent, teacher, or other supervisor of children will tell you, that excuse doesn't fly. When Dad is trying to drive you to Disneyland and your annoying brother starts making faces at you as he's previously been told not to, you should calmly ask him to stop, and then, if that doesn't work, calmly notify your parents of the problem. Making faces at him or shouting at him has never been a good way to get him to stop, and it makes you just as guilty of that as he.

Riot doesn't care who started it. Someone else's misbehavior does not justify your own.

From Riot's support knowledgebase:

  • Simply speaking, retaliation is not an acceptable or justifiable behavior. An argument between two players can easily create a negative experience for the rest of the players in the game with you. Regardless of the other player’s actions, this does not justify your own behavior. You alone are responsible for your actions within the game.If you encounter a toxic player like this, the best option is to simply report their behavior and move on.
  • Reports are a vital piece to the puzzle. If you are not sure of what sort of behavior is reportable take a look at the Reporting a Player FAQ

If you misbehave but a teammate or opponent does or says something even worse, you should definitely report them after the match, just as someone reported you for your own misbehavior. Yes, that's certainly possible. Reports are not a limited resource. Any time someone believes that another player violated LoL's behavioral standards, they can report that player. Punishments are similarly not limited: if more than one player in a game merits a punishment, they can both get a punishment. This can happen even if the players in question were antagonizing each other. The IFS doesn't need to weigh the severity of all reported players' actions and then "award" the "winner" with a punishment; it's not a contest.

Think of it like dealing with a noisy person in a library: ask them to keep it down, and then notify library staff and move to another area if that doesn't work. If you get into a shouting match with them, you're just as likely to be removed, even if you weren't shouting quite as loudly as they were. The goal is a quiet library.

In a perfect and just world, everyone who deserved a punishment would get one. In reality, it is possible for some punishable behavior to go unpunished. First, punishments in LoL can only occur after a valid report. Second, punishments take into account the consistency and severity of the punished player's misbehavior: if two players in a match break the same rule in the same way, one who consistently misbehaves in this way might get a punishment while the other who almost never does so gets away without a punishment (this time). At the end of the day, though, all this does is explain how differences in player behavior over many games can produce different results for equivalent behavior within a single game. It doesn't excuse poor behavior. One person having a rare bad day doesn't give a consistently toxic player the right to join in. The only behavior that matters in your punishment is your own... and a good thing, too: how would you feel if you behaved yourself but got punished anyway just because all your teammates were spectacularly friendly, communicative, and positive?

From Riot's support knowledgebase:

We can not discuss other players’ actions with you but you can always report them at end of game and mute them when in game. There is no excuse for raging back or responding to people trying to get you to tilt. You are the only one responsible for your actions and your words which is what we are trying to address with these bans.

You weren't punished for misbehaving in one game. You were punished for misbehaving in one more game, in a consistent pattern of negative behavior that breaks the game's rules. Additionally, the reform card doesn't always show all the logs that led to your punishment: it randomly selects up to several logs. You might see three logs, but you also might see as few as one, even for players whose punishment stems not from a small number of egregious infractions but rather from dozens of instances of mild toxicity. The purpose of the reform card is to tell you how to reform, so it shows you an example of the behavior that prompted your punishment and explains that such behavior is inappropriate and should be avoided if you want to maintain an account in good standing.

Usually, one transgression by itself wouldn't be enough to bring such a punishment to an otherwise clean account, but the IFS works on an escalating punishment system. Breaking a minor rule, like engaging the team in useless arguments, has a minor punishment: a chat restriction. Breaking that same rule over and over again, however, doesn't prompt an endless series of chat restrictions. The severity of the punishment ramps up over time, because the goal is to eliminate the punished player's willingness to break the game's rules. If two chat restrictions don't stop the useless arguments, the system will increase the punishment to a 14-day suspension and deliver a very clear message that the continued rule-breaking is becoming a serious issue and any further instances will result in a permaban. Again, the point is to put a stop to this misbehavior. If a player is more interested in repeatedly breaking the rules than in maintaining access to their account, they'll lose access to their account.

Of course, it's possible to break major rules, like cheating, threatening people, or using chat for hate speech, and skip punishment tiers so that a clean account ends up with a 14-day suspension or even a permaban.

From Riot's support knowledgebase:

PUNISHMENTS GENERALLY FOLLOW A BASIC ESCALATION PATH:

  • First Offense: 10 Game Chat Restriction
  • Second Offense: 25 Game Chat Restriction
  • Third Offense: Two Week Suspension
  • Fourth Offense: Permanent Suspension

However, it is possible to skip to a Two Week or Permanent suspension based on the severity of the behavior in the game. Excessive negative behavior can result in a Two-Week or Permanent suspension at any time without having a chat restriction on the account.

DBS Ronovon8/27/2019, 10:55:41 PM1 votes

Really? Wow.... You must have been really out of line man.

How much money have you spent on the game? Just wondering for my data. See, I am taking notes on bans and money spent to see if I can find a correlation between the two.