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Why did the rewards program for good behavior basically die?

Zaniel··9 votes·1,350 views

So we all know that Riot has taken as many steps as they can to stop purely toxic behavior. When I say toxic, I mean the racial slurs, death threats, and all around super toxic comments in game. My question is this: What ever happened to rewarding players for good behavior in game? The ribbon system is all but dead, and maybe its just me, but I saw the biggest decline in even just verbal abuse (which goes largely unpunished at this point) when the ribbon system was still alive and kicking.

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Hunts and Dips7 votes

but I saw the biggest decline in even just verbal abuse (which goes largely unpunished at this point)

Look at these forums more often. Multiple threads a day about "unfair bans."

There are thousands more who don't bother to post here as well.

I think more people get banned now than ever.

TNHA Baritone6 votes

There bringing one....next season. The hex tech crafting...or is that not for good behavior.

Zaniel1 votes

I wouldn't say that's in any real way, a reward for good behavior. Everyone gets it as long as you're not on the tribunal. It's also only really based on if you perform well in the game, not if your behavior is good.

Get It1 votes

Yep its just if you do well in a game, so even trolls can get em'.

Drackolus1 votes

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as long as you're not on the tribunal.

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even trolls can get em'.

One of you has to be wrong. I don't know who, but those two are mutually exclusive.

Harmony111 votes

I think it's a priority and resource issue. Right now their priority is constantly tweaking the automated system to be able to evolve and detect more negative behavior. I remember hearing they are also looking to launch a new Tribunal (player-side) either with or soon after the new client.

As far as encouraging positive behavior I'm sure it's something they want to build on, but they have to figure out a worthwhile incentive for long-term positive behavior. Right now Honor gives a tiny ribbon based on an arbitrary calculation that nobody knows and actually wears off over time. On top of that different honor counts for different ribbons, meaning if it's too spread out I believe it can actually hurt your chances. For many it is not worth it. I remember in previous years they gave out skins and icons (like Santa Baron) during the preseason for people who never got punished the previous season (and I'm sure played a minimum of games) but again that's not really Honor-based as much as Tribunal-based. The problem becomes how do you give out a worthwhile award tied to Honor that people don't instantly try to reverse engineer and grind out?

I am confident Riot and the PB&J team (is that still the nickname?) want to incentivize positive behavior, but it would require reworking the Honor system and frankly I think they want to finish the Tribunal and automated punishments first.

JRobin311 votes

I can understand if RIOT has their priorities on improving detection and punishment of bad behavior and this may be why they've somewhat neglected positive behavior. But, they really do need to get to this in a timely manner. Too much focus on negativity will only get you so far and in the end may even encourage the milder forms of negative behavior. Players that don't understand what positive behavior is aren't going to reform because they see toxic behavior as normal. They don't even understand how to behave in a positive manner. They even think that if they spend money on the game, then they purchase the right to be toxic.

This is why implementing a system that identifies healthy behavior is actually a really big deal. Yeah, I can understand that maybe RIOT is worried if it's too easy to earn rewards for being positive or that smart players will figure out how to be get the rewards of being positive without really being deserving of it. But there needs to be a system in place that players feel is accessible and that makes them feel good about their healthy behavior.

Imagine this: You finish a game, maybe you won, maybe you lost, but this message pops up on your screen that says, "Hey, Good Job! We've noticed that you haven't been reported in the past 10 games! Keep up the good work!" And then some games later you get another popup and it says, "Hey, Great Work! We've noticed that you haven't been reported in the past 20 games!" And so on. The thing is players need some sort of positive reinforcement. They need to know that their good actions have been noticed not just their bad actions. And it's really extra important for players that are borderline toxic to get this kind of positive reinforcement. Players that are always exceptionally positive are always going to be exceptionally positive and it's good to reward them for it, but players that are borderline toxic are the most important players to help and ideally help before they become toxic!

Players receive warnings after getting so many reports, but the system doesn't acknowledge them if they reform their behavior. They either live in fear that the system might report them, even though they are being nice, or they say "who cares; it doesn't mean anything anyway." Neither of these is good and this is why it is important to realize that spending too much time and energy on punishing negativity is a failure to acknowledge and reinforce positive behavior. There are many ways to do this. Some ways are better than others but it is important to have something in place that the common player feels is accessible, achievable, doable, reasonable. Acknowledging lack of negativity is a good start to that because it is the most easily achievable result - even for borderline toxic players.

Wolfenstin1 votes

I wish they kept the 'get a free skin at the end of the season for being a decent human being' thing that I got a while back. Forget what year that was exactly.

But it was a Fizz skin. Don't know how I feel about that.

AJStarhiker1 votes

I believe they gave out a Mystery skin last year. Other years have had other rewards: Santa Baron icon, IP boosts-- one year it was even a 350 RP bonus.

GRVet3ran0sS1 votes

Toxic in our days is considered ti be "report the x player" so we should all be permament suspended

JRobin311 votes

Don't you mean when players spam, "Report Player X" every 3 minutes of the game as their sole contribution to chat? Because that is classic grieving. That is a pure example of player negativity in action. Is it bannable? I think maybe chat restriction is appropriate so that those players can think if they really want to use up all of their allowed chats grieving about the x player. The even more toxic version is when a player starts spamming, "Report Player X" in all chat as if the enemy team could read his team's chat!

It just shows that players that choose to respond to negativity with more negativity just become part of the problem of toxicity in the game. Food for thought.

GRVet3ran0sS1 votes

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Don't you mean when players spam, "Report Player X" every 3 minutes of the game as their sole contribution to chat? Because that is classic grieving. That is a pure example of player negativity in action. Is it bannable? I think maybe chat restriction is appropriate so that those players can think if they really want to use up all of their allowed chats grieving about the x player. The even more toxic version is when a player starts spamming, "Report Player X" in all chat as if the enemy team could read his team's chat!

It just shows that players that choose to respond to negativity with more negativity just become part of the problem of toxicity in the game. Food for thought.

saying it a couple times to report the x player for obviously griefing is only natural when he destroys a game. Enemies dont know exactly what happens in the game,lets take for expample a rengar that doesnt give blues to mid laner and never ganks (any lane not just mid) you have to say what happens and want to report that x player

Skadeglädje1 votes

Nope, not really. Riot have explicitly stated that 9 reports carry the same weight as 1 - you don't need to ask people to report someone. All you have to do is report them yourself.

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