QQ Permaban ruining player base

Yoshi 42o··5 votes·1,449 views

Well then I suggest trying a "Shock Treatment" for players... I believe it would be highly effective. You issue a permanent ban.. and then after a certain time you give players another chance to show redemption on their account. Banning someone for being toxic is not really understandable. It's players like me that are the reason league of legends made $1.6 billion in revenue last year.

If you weren't such a popular game I'd bet you'd never imagine banning people for being toxic. It's not like we are cheating or anything else. There is a mute button, and there should also be the option to disable a particularly toxic players chat permanently rather than banning someone's account indefinitely.

There are plenty of games without the incredibly toxic player base.. and I've never heard any company banning players for being toxic in chat... infact almost entirely after contacting support about a player being toxic.. they will advise users to utilize the "mute" feature.

We get it, you don't like toxic players and you are tired of it... people have a pussified sense of reality .

But seriously. You should think about this shock treatment. Some people are worth giving another chance. I know I for one would never risk my account again.

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EvilDustMan6 votes

14 day ban is the shock treatment. You are just bad at understanding consequences.

J1M BuLush1e5 votes

Completely understandable, what's funny is when I play alone I'm fine but when people I allow to play on my game while I'm gone I come home and get perma-banned after spent 700$ on skins and all. I don't understand why perma-banned is a thing but I can say the couple days or weeks off can help but like you had mentioned it makes no sense to take away everything that people spend over people not using the mute button properly. Even when I'm tilted I still mute my entire team because I know I will get angry but what competitive gamer doesn't get mad?

Yoshi 42o1 votes

I mean yeah.. in a way League of Legends is a war... It's hard to always be polite when you are giving it your all! I wish I would have utilized my own mute button more often. I am quick to snap and it's a flaw of mine.

Faie4 votes

Well you shared your account, which is alone bannable.

dapositiveviking3 votes

account sharing is a pretty obvious reason now

vampirekid133 votes

[{quoted}](name=Yoshi 42o,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=4ykjQKgh,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-09-02T05:40:27.393+0000)

There is a mute button, and there should also be the option to disable a particularly toxic players chat permanently rather than banning someone's account indefinitely.

Riot tried this. People that are toxic started feeding and trolling when chat was disabled.

Yoshi 42o1 votes

Not sure how having chat would fix that, however, I am someone who received a perma ban for being toxic, not for intentionally feeding or trolling.

vampirekid136 votes

[{quoted}](name=Yoshi 42o,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=4ykjQKgh,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2016-09-02T06:01:10.613+0000)

Not sure how having chat would fix that, however, I am someone who received a perma ban for being toxic, not for intentionally feeding or trolling.

you said they should just take away your chat priviledges. i am letting you know that they already tried this about a year or a year and a half ago. they wouldnt permaban toxic players, instead give them chat restrictions for ever. but, when toxic players lost chat they would start intentionally feeding and trolling since they couldnt verbally harrass people anymore, so most (over 90%) of toxic players became intentional feeders when they lost chat indefinitely. so riot decided its not worth it to take chat away, then have the feed intentionally, and still get permabanned.

your idea of "just take away my chat forever!" has been tested and failed the test of time in league of legends.

Narvuntien3 votes

Stop being toxic... seems pretty simple to me. I am not sure why its so hard for some people

smoke weed yo2 votes

C9 Jensen Perma banned on 3 accounts for being toxic AND DDOSING. Riot lifted the bans. That's all i'm going to say. Guess the only way to get our accounts unbanned is to go pro, because normal every day players don't mean anything to riot.

Yoshi 42o1 votes

It's true, but also permanently banning several thousand accounts for a season, and then unbanning them all on a "shock treatment" with the condition that the toxicity must stop does seem like a smart thing to do in this situation... It's a really hard thing for me to let go of my account. I mean here I am nearly 6 months later still talking about it.

Zombiemaster5 votes

There's some information that you're leaving out here.

When a non-pro player gets permanently banned, they lose all access to that account. They are free to continue playing on a brand new account, but they will not receive their old account back.

Jensen received the exact same treatment as Tyler1 recently did, being indefinitely banned form League of Legends. He had all accounts permanently banned, and any future accounts that could be tied to him permanently banned as well. After some time and some talking between him and Riot (I don't know how exactly they did this, as it is solely between him and Riot), Riot decided to lift his indefinite ban from League of Legends. However, just like everyone else who receives a permanent ban, pro and non-pro alike, Jensen did not receive any of his accounts back. He had to start fresh on a brand new account.

MKG OperaVanJava2 votes

[{quoted}](name=smoke weed yo,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=4ykjQKgh,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-09-02T05:48:43.480+0000)

C9 Jensen Perma banned on 3 accounts for being toxic AND DDOSING. Riot lifted the bans. That's all i'm going to say. Guess the only way to get our accounts unbanned is to go pro, because normal every day players don't mean anything to riot.

TL;DR

  • In accordance with our long-term suspension policy, we have reviewed Incarnati0n, DarkwinJax, Flaxxish, Shizoli, and the members of former Cloud9 Tempest.

  • DarkwinJax failed his review due to ongoing toxicity and is having his suspension extended by 4 splits.

  • Incarnati0n has displayed genuine reform over a prolonged period of time and passed his review, making him eligible for professional play starting May 11, 2015. Incarnati0n’s past permabanned accounts will remain banned.

  • Flaxxish and Shizoli have made some progress, but still fall short of LCS standards of conduct.

  • All of the former C9T members passed their review and will be eligible for competitive play starting May 11, 2015.


**---cutted --- read all in link bellow **

REVIEW SUMMARIES NICOLAJ ‘INCARNATI0N’ JENSEN

Past Rulings

Original Ruling Revised Ruling & 2015 End-Of-Year Suspension Review Review Summary

Since his last review, Jensen has continued to demonstrate behavior in game that is well above the normal standards of good behavior across all of his accounts since at least January 2014. Additionally, according to our monitoring tools, he has not been implicated in any DDOS or Drophacking-related exploits since Q2 2013. There have been no serious offenses or violations of the letter or spirit of the Summoner Code since his account-sharing related offense in Q1 2014.

Conclusion

Jensen is eligible to play in Riot-affiliated League of Legends tournaments including but not limited to the LCS and CS starting on May 11, 2015. To clarify: Jensen will not be eligible to play in any 2015 Spring competition, including Promotion/Relegation tournaments. Jensen’s past permabanned accounts will remain banned, as will any content he lost as a result of his original offenses. Reform is meant to earn players second chances, not undo all of the consequences of their past actions.

Additional Context

Jensen is the first formerly permabanned player ever to be admitted back into professional play. His original offenses were very serious in nature, as were the punishments levied. Jensen has been ineligible to play competitively for 5 splits across 3 seasons of professional play.

He needed to meet a high standard of in and out of game conduct, exceeding the standards set for a typical LCS player or someone with a fixed suspension. In evaluating his case, great care was taken to ensure that all of his accounts were audited, that there was no evidence of account sharing or exploits, and that, in our qualitative judgement, Jensen had made a serious effort to exceed normal standards of good behavior, even when it was difficult to do so. In this most recent review, in addition to a review of old and secondary accounts through November, all games on his most recent primary account for which there was a shadow of a doubt regarding Jensen’s behavior were individually analyzed.

When evaluating whether a person who committed serious transgressions in the past is a different person today, we use a combination of quantitative data about their in-game behavior and our own judgment in determining whether the player in question has truly changed his ways. All the data supports the conclusion that Jensen has legitimately reformed and has earned a second chance. If he decides to enter the LCS or CS, we will hold him to the same high standards we hold all professional players to and will continue to monitor his in-game behavior.

-- Riot official news link ==> PLEASE READ THE TOP OF THE ARTICLE

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" Incarnati0n’s past permabanned accounts will remain banned."


3 account perma ban (not lifted) bye skins etc + he was banned playing in LCS

"Jensen has continued to demonstrate behavior in game that is well above the normal standards of good behavior across all of his accounts" <-- those base on new accounts + he did reform

-> Riot lifted the bans (able to play in LCS)

Tyler -- 20 acc banned . And we all knew he keep doing it in stream- spread the zombie disease toxicity etc (base on rioter) .. ->consequence -> IP banned. all new account - detected -> Banned for sure - riperino

PS : rekt English

Malignant Vemira1 votes

Idk, the thing that gets to me about Tyler1, is that they issued the indefinite ban, the day after he made the hype video where he said he was going to stop greifing, and try to get number 1 in every region. Maybe it's just because of the BS that my 1st account was banned after I had made serious efforts and strides to reform but. Why would Tyler1 care after that move by riot?

Sarutobi1 votes

Then what would be the point of using the word Permanent? If it would be like that then might as well just give a longer ban time. With that said they already had warnings and second chances, so why give them more when they dont learn from the other times? Let alone they already tried something like this in the past and it didnt work. People were given a chance to get their account back and were still breaking the rules. So again if it doesnt work the first time why would it work a second time? How many chances does one need despite all the warnings they get and the fact they get a second, third, and fourth chances by the means of 2 types of chat restrictions and 14 day ban?

Yoshi 42o1 votes

Because it doesn't seem real until the word permanent is used :P

Zombiemaster1 votes

I'd say it's an interesting idea, however IMO Riot already has something similar to it. With the current system, unless their behavior is particularly extreme, each player goes through multiple punishments before reaching a permanent ban. Once someone reaches the 14 day punishment, I believe both their reform card and their e-mail about it states that their next punishment will be a permanent ban.

So, in a way, the 14 day ban does serve this purpose. The player suddenly gets banned and has to stop playing for a certain time, and when they come back they have one last shot at redemption. If they fail to change their behavior, that's when Riot decides to give them a permanent ban.

EDIT: Granted, the 14 day ban is probably on a much lower scale than you were thinking. However, you should still be informed when you receive your 14 day ban that your next punishment is a permanent ban, and you mentioned that it doesn't seem real unless permanent is used. That's just my take on it.

Malignant Vemira1 votes

Yeah, check out this ban my friend was so extremely toxic, she jumped to two week ban after having never been punished for anything since the Yasuo patch...

MKG OperaVanJava1 votes

toxic -> spread .. its disease. some people can't handle their hand from typing sentences/ bad words etc. Good player understand, League Of Legends about Q, W, E, R , A , D , F , 1 ,2 ,3 ,5 Teemo and mute button :P [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

MissingKayo1 votes

Or no. People who get permabanned do not have the permission to complain about it. They either went through multiple strikes or had such a severely offensive first strike that either way, it's not changing. Deal with it.

Yoshi 42o1 votes

You sound pretty toxic yourself.

MissingKayo1 votes

mmk bud.

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