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My friend got banned and restricted of his ranked rewards

nachtziend··2 votes·872 views

Hi everyone,

my best friend got ineligible for every ranked reward for being offensive in one game. I got every reward we were working for together, but he didn't get a single thing. So basically he deactivated his account, and doesn't want to play the game anymore. Which I personally feel really sad about, because we played like almost every game together, as this has been the first game we had been playing online.

So now I kind of miss my buddy, because I think the main thing of this game is to play together. And as your instant feedback report is way to harsh, I think its just tearing people appart. Not making the community better in any sense...

Is there a possibility for him to get his rewards, following that I will get my best friend to play the game again? I get that you put his lvl 5 honor to dishonorable, but is it really necessary to take away the gold border he worked for all season long.

Greetings,

a sad friend.

(P.s.: he got banned over 1 game where he said the word (fggot 3 times to a camping opponent, not meaning to be offending, but just tilted over the camp)

48 Comments

ModThe Djinn5 votes

Punishments do not break up the community. Bringing hate speech into games in anger does. That word is always offensive and steeped in hatred and prejudice.

nachtziend1 votes

Apparently it does, because I'm losing a friend to play with for it. Which proves your comment wrong... Other players who don't even know him, won't care in the long term. Which basically means it is tearing the community appart. I don't think I'm the first player who lost a friend like that, seeing this system is extremly harsh :(

nachtziend1 votes

I mean you can give him a ban for several days, not playing the game is a hard punishment on its own. But is it needed that all the work and effort you put into it, should be ignored?

nachtziend

He is the one who introduced me to the game, and as I am indeed not gold. I can still play with him in normal games, which we play together...

ModThe Djinn4 votes

I can't really agree that punishing hate speech is harsh. I'm sorry that your friend has quit as a result, but his behavior has no place in a friendly, respectful community. The choice to adapt or leave is his, and I'm sorry for your sake he chose to leave.

Kanzler1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=4waXFqfE,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2017-11-14T17:34:55.855+0000)

I can't really agree that punishing hate speech is harsh. I'm sorry that your friend has quit as a result, but his behavior has no place in a friendly, respectful community.

I almost read that without laughing.

Besides, everyone can agree that Harley riders are the absolute worst.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

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I almost read that without laughing.

Why?

Besides, everyone can agree that Harley riders are the absolute worst.

What do motorcycles have to do with behavior in an online videogame?

Kanzler1 votes

Because it is naive to describe league as such.

It is extremely relevant. OP's friend was punished for referring to Harley riders.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

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Because it is naive to describe league as such.

Ah, noted. You were referring to the "friendly respectful community." The Djinn is probably referring to Riot's goal for the community, they are applying behavior systems in order to shape the community in that way.

It is extremely relevant. OP's friend was punished for referring to Harley riders.

Where did they say that? I'm not seeing it anywhere. Perhaps you should provide the quote of the text that led you to believe this.

Kanzler1 votes

It's in the ps of the OP. If you dont get it, you dont get it

HalcyonDweller1 votes

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It's in the ps of the OP. If you dont get it, you dont get it

Here is the op's statement:

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(P.s.: he got banned over 1 game where he said the word (fggot 3 times to a camping opponent, not meaning to be offending, but just tilted over the camp)

I still don't see any language that has to do with motorcycles. Why are you refusing to clarify which part you are referring to?

TrulyBland1 votes

Short version:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_F_Word_(South_Park)

In the episode, the boys attempt to change the official definition of the word "f%g" from an anti-homosexual slur to a term describing loud and obnoxious Harley bikers.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

I see. that term is already used to refer to people who are homosexual in nature. It would be better to stop using the term in a negative manner, rather than attempt to re-brand it to negatively refer to something else.

You can find this in situations on the boards where a player posts saying they were banned for saying "kys." They claim they meant something else:

"Lol I didn't mean it like that, I was saying kiss yourself."

Nobody fucking cares about smartassery. You know how the term is normally used, you should be fully aware that people will assume you mean its common definition.

TrulyBland1 votes

I actually agree with what you are saying. Just wanted to explain what Kanzler was referencing.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

Noted. Thank you for clearing that up (☞ﾟ∀ﾟ)☞

HalcyonDweller1 votes

Thanks to another user who chose to be helpful instead of remaining vague and useless in responses like you were, it was brought to my attention what you were referring to.

Aight dude, I hate loud motorcycles as well. But that is absolutely no excuse to use hate speech when referring to people riding them.

You know how people associate the term, you should know better than to think they would assume you meant anything other than the common use for the term.

Kanzler1 votes

This whole thread is useless. Everyone should know by now not to feed the troll, OP or otherwise.

It was fun playing with you, Dick. I mean as a short form for Richard!

HalcyonDweller1 votes

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This whole thread is useless. Everyone should know by now not to feed the troll, OP or otherwise.

If you think the thread holds no value then do not participate. Don't waste everyone else's time.

It was fun playing with you, Dick. I mean as a short form for Richard!

Thanks! I know you did, because you capitalized the D. See you! :)

Redomic1 votes

As far as I can see, Op.gg says you're Bronze 1. How is that even possible if you and your friends grinded for seasonal rewards. shouldn't you be Gold too then? You aren't getting any rewards if you're bronze but I may just be wrong here. maybe Op.gg is just messing up

Kei1431 votes

you should have warned him the first time he said it that what he said is unacceptable.

The Cream Reaper1 votes

if your friend left the game because he didn't get the rewards then it's obvious what mattered more to him when he was playing. and the fact that he was playing with you wasn't it! you need better friends

Mindspeaker1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=4waXFqfE,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-11-14T17:28:22.750+0000)

Punishments do not break up the community. Bringing hate speech into games in anger does. That word is always offensive and steeped in hatred and prejudice.

This your fiends punishment justified and well deserved.

Zombie Gerbil2 votes

You lost a friend, the community lost a toxic player. With that said, your friend deserved the ban and I have no sympathy over that. One less toxic player means one step to a better community. No matter how many steps it takes, or how many people need to be banned, it's one step for improvement. If he wants his rewards, tell him better luck next time and tell him this is not the game to be toxic in. He's not allowed to be.

Find a better friend. A friend that the community can get behind.

Existential Bard1 votes

You aren't really losing a friend. Your friend's account isn't permabanned. He just had his rewards removed. He could still play if he so chooses. In the future he just needs to be weary of what he says in chat. I find voice chat to be fairly nice because you can communicate with friends more effectively and not have to spam chat with negative comments.

nachtziend1 votes

But that is quit the point, I am losing a gaming friend because of this. Of course I won't lose him in real life, but he will be playing other games, that my computer just can't run... Which leaves me alone here in my botlane :( I just really think they shouldn't be so harsh over 1 game, it makes no sense...

HalcyonDweller3 votes

I think Existential Bard's point is that stopping playing is your friend's choice, and their own doing. It's not Riot's doing.

Your friend needs to accept responsibility for their behavior and move forward from this instead of shying away from it.

nachtziend1 votes

But he's not a toxic person at all, as I stated he said 3 words because he tilted. Is that a reason to ban an account. This zero tolerance policy is just way to harsh...

The punishment is the following:

14 suspension no ranked border no skin no icons dishonorable ...

This is in my opninion just way to much, but apparently I'm the only one thinking this. You even get ineligible for the rewards if you get a chat restriction, that just makes no sense...

HalcyonDweller1 votes

IMO nobody's toxic as a person. Most people who are punished simply slip up and tilt, and wind up saying something terrible.

It's not like they are being punished for being a toxic person. They are simply being punished for using zero tolerance phrases. They aren't being persecuted for who they are, they are just being punished for something they did. There is nothing wrong with that.

The effect of the behavior is much more serious, and so it warrants a more serious punishment than other behaviors.

nachtziend1 votes

Can you explain what the effect of the behavior is, because forgetting about the game is basically what comes out of it for the person the phrases were said to.

I just state that the zero tolerance policy is way to harsh. You should give a warning instead of immediatly punishing someone. It was only 1 game... which has more influence to the actual people that care about it, then the people who reported it, because they probably already don't remember this anymore...

jpguy9021 votes

This may be true but it's called zero tolerance for a reason. One game puts it over zero tolerance. The effect is to keep people.from using words like that with a harsh punishment.

nachtziend1 votes

Then why is there even a possibility to write those words, isn't there an option to make sure people can't write those words (like ever). This system is just completly stupid... I can't be the first one to come up with this. Make it impossible and the problem is fixed, as if ********************** is going to be so offensive?

HalcyonDweller4 votes

If Riot were to filter such phrases out then people would just find more creative ways to say them that would not be filtered out.

The problem is people saying it, the problem is not the punishment.

nachtziend1 votes

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If Riot were to filter such phrases out then people would just find more creative ways to say them that would not be filtered out.

The problem is people saying it, the problem is not the punishment.

But people won't be taking words like skibidiboo serious, wouldn't they?

HalcyonDweller1 votes

Are you being willfully ignorant?

People will type the exact same words, simply putting punctuation, character replacements, or spaces in the middle of them.

It is inefficient to be constantly updating a chat filter to work against new ways of using harassing language. Much smarter and more efficient to stop the behavior at its source.

jpguy9021 votes

That's a fair point but I think it's pretty easy to get around any sort of chat filter. Whether it be an abbreviation or separated by special characters.

So it's more of Riot trying to change people's behavior with a strong deterrent.

nachtziend1 votes

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That's a fair point but I think it's pretty easy to get around any sort of chat filter. Whether it be an abbreviation or separated by special characters.

So it's more of Riot trying to change people's behavior with a strong deterrent.

Well after all those years, the system still doesn't function properly and I do think a lot of people can agree on this...

jpguy9022 votes

And people do, it's never going to be perfect but it's up to the owners of the game ultimately.

Seriously just give your friend some time. It sounds like it just happened recently so I can imagine he is very upset. But if he really enjoys playing I bet he will comes back after he cools off.

I've had plenty of friends "quit" but they came back after a few weeks most of the time.

Magical Player1 votes

To be fair if he wasn’t gold the rewards are kinda pointless I will never use any of the rewards aside from the border which honestly I wish I could hide He’ll be back when he’s ready Leagues addicting as are many games It’s rare to perma quit by your own volition

HalcyonDweller1 votes

People who are affected (for example specific races and derogatory terms for them) do not want to be reminded of their persecution while playing a game for fun. By using phrases that demean the group they identify with, your friend essentially puts that person on edge, reminding them of all the other harassment and hate they have experienced in the past. It goes beyond 'just a few small words' and has more to do with perpetrating an extremely stressful environment onto those individuals.

It may feel like no big deal to the person saying it. They might just be really angry and wanted to use proportionally adverse language to effectively express that anger, but saying such things is not simply taken as raging... It is also still saying those things, which perpetrates that environment I described earlier.

Sarutobi1 votes

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But he's not a toxic person at all, as I stated he said 3 words because he tilted. Is that a reason to ban an account. This zero tolerance policy is just way to harsh...

The punishment is the following:

14 suspension no ranked border no skin no icons dishonorable ...

This is in my opninion just way to much, but apparently I'm the only one thinking this. You even get ineligible for the rewards if you get a chat restriction, that just makes no sense...

How is it harsh? You and everyone else who plays this game knows actually what happens when you break the rules. You get punished! I can believe your friend isnt a toxic person, but its clear he has broken the rules possibly numerous times (if he went through the Punishment Tiers) Why exactly does he need to be warned that many times before he can actually see what he is doing wrong? You really shouldnt be saying words like that period because of what they mean. Remember this is a game, you are suppose to enjoy it, relax and be comfortable. If this game is doing this much stress to you that you NEED to say words like this maybe this isnt the game for you!

nachtziend1 votes

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How is it harsh? You and everyone else who plays this game knows actually what happens when you break the rules. You get punished! I can believe your friend isnt a toxic person, but its clear he has broken the rules possibly numerous times (if he went through the Punishment Tiers) Why exactly does he need to be warned that many times before he can actually see what he is doing wrong? You really shouldnt be saying words like that period because of what they mean. Remember this is a game, you are suppose to enjoy it, relax and be comfortable. If this game is doing this much stress to you that you NEED to say words like this maybe this isnt the game for you!

You obviously have no idea how to respond to this, look at it from different point of views...

HalcyonDweller1 votes

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he has broken the rules possibly numerous times

Actually if the person used hate speech then they skip immediately to a 14-day ban.

I agree with the rest of what you said though.

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How is it harsh? You and everyone else who plays this game knows actually what happens when you break the rules. You get punished! I can believe your friend isnt a toxic person, but its clear he has broken the rules possibly numerous times (if he went through the Punishment Tiers) Why exactly does he need to be warned that many times before he can actually see what he is doing wrong? You really shouldnt be saying words like that period because of what they mean. Remember this is a game, you are suppose to enjoy it, relax and be comfortable. If this game is doing this much stress to you that you NEED to say words like this maybe this isnt the game for you!

Zombie Gerbil1 votes

This is by no means "way too much" or "harsh". This is a great ban. This way he'll either;

A. Learn not to be toxic. B. If he does quit then our community will be down by one toxic player.

Tell your friend not to be toxic in this game. It's unwelcome here. If he wants his rewards, tell him to earn it with the proper attitude.

Existential Bard1 votes

From my understanding Riot doesn't punish on the first offense. But to be fair saying words of hate are strictly forbidden.

Wife In Lantern1 votes

Hey. So i know exactly what your friend is feeling at the moment (I received a 14 day suspension as well). However there is malleability in riot's decisions. If you can prove that your friend has not be consistently toxic and has genuinely "reformed" riot may actually give you a chance at season rewards again. Take into account that this sort of decision is very rare and you will have to send in a detailed ticket to riot explaining your circumstances and prove your friend's non-toxicity. Good luck though.

Taeseuk1 votes

Why should he still get rewards for saying something so offensive?

It only seems harsh to you because it's your friend and so you care about him and the work you two put in.

He did the act so now he has to suffer the consequences it's really that simple, yeah it sucks he lost out on the rewards but maybe he'll think twice before using such a word as an insult/response again.

Miami Horror1 votes

in my opinion, I think riot should introduce a system wherein the player would be notified each time they receive a report and the reason why the report was made, sort of like being notified each time you get an honor. It would make players think more cautiously before speaking and would probably prevent cases like this from happening again in the future since they can now tally their report total.

EvilDustMan1 votes

No, your friend said a word that is definitely not okay. On top of that, he is just being toxic. If he can't understand why he got in trouble, that's his problem, not Riot's.

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