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Ultimate Bravery/troll builds; how is this viewed in the context of reports?

obsesse·7/6/2017, 3:40:51 PM·2 votes·1,786 views

To clarify, I fucking hate ultimate bravery. I simply can't fathom how it's fun to anyone. I'm not totally against troll builds in general, when they make sense. For instance, you're playing blinds and realize you have an all AD team so you go AP Xin Zhao. However, completely random items and summoner spells and masteries has no purpose. It's not 'trying out a new build' but should this ever be reported and if so, how?

Lastly, I tried to stress there being a reason for builds because the items you build will generally dictate how you should play the individual game. When I play Ahri, sometimes I buy a gunblade to help keep down mobile targets or when I'm vs team comps where there are a lot of prolonged skirmishes, but sometimes I'll build more typical assassin/burst items if the enemy team has fewer resistances or is generally squishy. Depending on the items I'm building, I may be kiting more or trying to 100-0 enemy carries. If I build rylai's+liandry's, I'm probably not going to all-inning nearly as much. So back to the point, there is no synergy with bork+ohmwrecker+ardent censer+zz'rot portal Amumu. Even if there were synergy with those items, playing like a typical Amumu normally would is wrong with this scenario. So people may say "yeah I'm using ultimate bravery but I'm still trying to win!" -No you're not. You're building random items and just playing a game. If you were trying to win, you wouldn't build random items.

So when, if ever, should I report these players and how should I go about it?

15 Comments

TerribleTheHero7/6/2017, 3:56:22 PM4 votes

Blind Pick? I'd leave it alone altogether. Blind Pick is just begging for an interesting team composition, and it's going to be filled with silly things. People go there with friends to mess around, try new champions and builds, and to play lanes they're not comfortable with.

If you're talking about in Normal Draft, where people generally try harder than Blind, then it's a debatable thing. If they're doing their best with whatever build they're doing, you really CAN'T report them. If they're feeding, then I guess you could report them for that, same for other report tabs respectively. However, you can't report a build itself, only the player. It's Normals, it's not affecting your ranked LP, WR, or KDA, and they're probably in a group where reporting them or being toxic towards them will probably result in a worse time for you than them (it sucks as part of the system for ANY report, I know).

Now, Ranked, I would report them for Intentional if it's not going well as most UB builds don't usually result in top-of-the-line skill. If I see my top lane Yasuo is half AP and half support items, I'd throw him in that category. Perhaps Griefing would be a better one to look at, as it is not being used the fill the role given, and it's being an obstacle to your team instead.

So, Griefing or Int. if you're really looking for a report. However, if they're trying their best and not being toxic, there's not too much you can do about it.

ChicoPudding7/6/2017, 7:34:49 PM3 votes

I just came across a trio of those, AD Lux with smite, Ap Jinx and Bruiser Amumu. I had no idea of this Ultimate Bravery thing until now, and honestly, I hated it, a total waste of 30 minutes of people running around the map, unable to kill anything, ruining a perfectly nice game. Of course I reported them afterwards as intentional feeding (closest I could find to be honest). I wish to see less of this, especially when it comes to drafts which take a considerable amount of time to even begin.

Azure Dancer7/6/2017, 3:49:22 PM2 votes

As long as they try to win and not intentionaly feed you cant do anything about it.

Espy Psyche7/7/2017, 12:10:00 AM2 votes

As far as troll builds are concerned, my suggestion is to live and die by the AP Garen Rule. Riot actually uses guidelines very similar to these ones to determine if someone is intentionally feeding or not based on their build. All of the following are violations of the AP Garen Rule and are considered "troll builds":

Building Attack Damage on any champion that has no abilities that scale with Attack Damage OR Attack Speed steroids OR Attack Damage steroids.
Building Ability Power on any champion that has no abilities that scale with Ability Power.
Building Attack Speed or Critical Strike on any champion that has no abilities that enhance auto attacks (Attack Speed steroids, Critical Strike scalings, Attack Speed scalings, "on next auto attack" abilities).
Building Mana on a champion that does not use Mana as a resource.
Building multiple of an item that is less than 100% gold efficient when not including the item's unique passive(s).
The item Hextech Gunblade is an exception to rules 1), 2), and 3).
The items Sheen, Trinity Force, Lich Bane, and Iceborn Gauntlet are exceptions to rule 4).
The item The Black Cleaver is an exception to rule 5).

As a player, as long as you steer clear of these violations, you won't be banned for int feeding because of your "troll" build. Notice how Anklespankin is still allowed to play and hasn't been banned, despite his numerous videos on YouTube of things like AP Lucian. This is because his builds never violate the AP Garen Rule. As a community voice, only report players who violate these rules. It really helps Riot sort through all the reports and ban the people who need banned.

Ada Wong7/8/2017, 3:03:14 AM2 votes

Depends on the issue, problem is I have had two extremely toxic games today both with Auto Fill...

1.) 1 game person steals role makes the game unplayable half the frigging game

2.) Another game later after a few dodged another auto fill, random lock support, no proper runes, soon as the game starts I hear harassment in chat I have to /mute all, turn off pings and go about the game unable to do shit early game.

I don't really think off meta stuff should be ban worthy in Solo Queue, although they really need to remove the option to auto fill and give an option to wait longer to queue up because the amount of toxicity today in just two games with auto fill was insane it hasn't happened to me in awhile where peeps do this type of crap at the very start of a game.

Terozu7/7/2017, 12:32:44 PM1 votes

Riot has said that as long as they were trying to win, they wont get punished.

Kloqdq7/6/2017, 6:09:39 PM1 votes

What crazy person is playing UB by themselves? You would just be asking for the reports to come your way. Plus you will get shit on just by the nature of the rules. Now you are with a group of friends well fuck it. If it's 4-1 then nothing you can do if one of them is trolling. Unfortunate, but that's how it goes.

Arakk017/6/2017, 10:38:38 PM1 votes

If their poor behavior in game doesn't directly affect a Rioter, as was the case with the famous/infamous Singed/Nunu supports (both played games with Rioters, who manually banned them), the automated system won't do anything about in-game toxicity. The Instant Feedback system only monitors chat, and doesn't even do a great job of that. There are entire streams dedicated to FULLY AUTOMATED intentional feeding with accounts that have been in Ranked for months. Riot does not care about your personal in-game experience; they care about concerned parents and how they view their game, because kids with parent credit cards buy a LOT of RP over time- but not if mommy hears that people use bad words in League!