A New Breed of Toxicity?

Naedox·Feb 10, 2018·8 votes·828 views

So the other day, I submitted a ticket to Riot Games regarding toxicity on the Rift (which is about as redundant as a pickle in a pickle barrel at this point). OnlyMordeNA from Riot Games Player Support generously responded with his apologies and suggested that I write to the board to express my thoughts and concerns to to a broader array of people (and maybe hear from a Rioter). So here I am with this to say:

You think that verbal harassment and racial slurs are toxic? Well compared to what people are brewing now, those may as well feel like mercy. To make a long story short, because some people just can't function properly in society without having it 100% their way, they would throw away all meaning a game would have to offer (eg. Intentionally feeding, denying other people's xp/gold incomes and not making any use of it, pretty much taking away their teammate's chances of winning the game) and would constantly say no to a surrender vote just for the sole purpose of wasting their time. In a sense, it feels like it's a passive aggressive way to encourage someone to leave the game and get busted by Riot, and the sadist getting a reward for being competitive friendly therefore produing a Houdini.

This, I find to be the ultimate form of toxicity in the sense of wasting other people's time and being a sadistic asswat. I don't wanna have to spend 10-15 extra minutes of my time being in a game there's no way I can pull a comeback out of my rear end from. This just deters the sheer grace of defeat and it feels as though it condemns people who much rather accept their loss and move on like a man. Rank is something one can get back. Time? Not so much...

Going a bit more personal, I hate being held hostage and being stripped of being anything/everything I can do. I've been mentally abused and neglected by my father when I was a child and I just cannot tolerate being bullied and put in chains like that. Being locked can seriously f*** you up inside. I would know so; I've been there before.

But I digress. It rings my mind as to why and how this is seen as good sportsmanship because it involves not giving up. So much so, that at the time of writing this, my process of thought is completely fragmented and cannot express my issue proper. This type of behavior I'm experiencing just feels like a method to deceive people into doing something worth a report (like leaving a game).

i'm not talking about a game itself. I'm talking about how people are constantly finding new ways to be toxic and the only way Riot sees it is the victim being the bad guy and the person at fault is the commended. It's pure injustice and I think it's one of the contributing factors as to why League of Legends is declining.

But I suppose because I'm obliged to, I have to listen to player feed and at this point, you might as well start spamming my inbox with white knight acts, trying to defend the equivalent of a person snorting Drano off the back of an enraged lioness.

18 Comments

ChermorgFeb 10, 201810 votes

So, the issue here isn't that "the victim being the bad guy". The issue here is people claim to be victims when they in fact have become perpetrators of toxicity. I'm sorry that you've been losing games, but it is extremely hard to prove someone is intentionally trolling when they do the things you describe. Are they taking the CS because they want the gold, or because they're trying to fuck with you? Are they split pushing because they legitimately think that's how your team can win? It's impossible to prove either way. Trolling is very hard to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, and things that may look like trolling/griefing in the heat of the moment in game may in fact look innocuous when looked at by a third party with an open mind.

People vastly overestimate the number of legitimate intentional feeders and trolls in League. In the heat of the moment, it's hard to say "wow, I fucked up this game" or "well, our team just got outplayed". People naturally look for someone else to blame - and their minds will concoct stories about people in order to blame them for things. I'm not saying you never experience trolling, and when you do I'm certainly not suggesting you not report it. In fact, I think you should report every instance you think someone is trolling in. That being said, you cannot reasonably expect every single report you file to result in a punishment.

NaedoxFeb 10, 20181 votes

I've read this about 7 times now and the more I read it, the less I understand (partially due to the sophisticated vocabulary involved) :P

I apologize if my wording is fragmented (English was never my first subject in school). Judging by the inquisitive(?) questions you asked, I can safely answer that yes, they take all the resources for themselves so their allies can't have it and put it to a better use.

I swear, it must be hella painful to constantly have an open mind and give the benefit of the doubt because even though there's indisputable proof that this guy is guilty, he's technically still innocent. I can understand all the flaws of a system like that, but I'm not sure how to put them into words.

As for people themselves, and I think this especially applies to most of the lower elo players, they see themselves as perfectionists and and that their ego is greater than their IQ. It irks me to hell and back (And back to hell and back) how people can just act like this and be rewarded.

From my experiences I feel as if reporting only does so much...I've been (self) taught that nothing I say/do matters...

ChermorgFeb 10, 20183 votes

So, nobody owns any resources, be it minions, jungle camps, experience. It's impossible to determine why someone took each and every minion they did, unless they say every time "i took that minion to fuck with you and make you mad".

Your reporting does matter - but keep in mind that there's a good chance (psychologically speaking) that not all of the people you're reporting are actually trolling or griefing. They may be doing something you don't like, but you aren't the boss of the team and don't get to tell them how to play and not play.

NaedoxFeb 10, 20182 votes

I understand that I can't dictate anything outside of me. But what I want to do is do what's right. And if a game isn't worth playing anymore, I don't want people to play it anymore. Time is the most valuable resource in the world (mostly because it's nonrenewable) and I don't want people wasting it being locked up in cages. That's not fun at all...

I feel like the reason people have become cynical and have a negative aspect on things is because it's much less work. That and people have developed the mentality that if you always predict the worst, you'll be hailed as a prophet.

ChermorgFeb 10, 20183 votes

When you queue up to play a game of League, you're committing to playing a game until a nexus falls. You understand when you queue that the game may not go well, you may lose lane, you may be getting crushed. But everyone else committed to playing a full game as well, and if they want to keep playing that's their right. If you don't want to "waste your time" playing League, don't play it - that's all I can suggest.

NaedoxFeb 10, 20181 votes

I suppose I can't reason against that logic.

Maybe I outta a little more....

....convincing per se.

Kei143Feb 10, 20182 votes

If the enemy team is good, they would have won in 25 minutes.

If it's past 40 mins and they still haven't won, then they suck and there is a way to come back and win the game.

XidphelFeb 10, 20183 votes

you'll be hailed as a prophet.

Bullshit. Closest thing I'm hailed as is a witch.

RikuXIFeb 10, 20181 votes

BURN THE WITCH

RikuXIFeb 10, 20181 votes

Basically what the other guys is saying is intent is hard to prove because there's alot more that could be going on, there's alot of factors involved and "indisputable" proof is pretty hard to come by with the things you're expressing. Some people are just bad and when you look at them and assume they have an equal understanding of game mechanics as you it can be frustrating. Sometimes you have to keep in mind that people have vastly different comprehension of the game. What looks like an obvious trolling to you could just be a guy not understanding their impact on the team.

NaedoxFeb 10, 20182 votes

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Basically what the other guys is saying is intent is hard to prove because there's alot more that could be going on, there's alot of factors involved and "indisputable" proof is pretty hard to come by with the things you're expressing. Some people are just bad and when you look at them and assume they have an equal understanding of game mechanics as you it can be frustrating. Sometimes you have to keep in mind that people have vastly different comprehension of the game. What looks like an obvious trolling to you could just be a guy not understanding their impact on the team.

what a cruel world we live in.

The Pr0takuFeb 10, 20181 votes

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So, the issue here isn't that "the victim being the bad guy". The issue here is people claim to be victims when they in fact have become perpetrators of toxicity. I'm sorry that you've been losing games, but it is extremely hard to prove someone is intentionally trolling when they do the things you describe. Are they taking the CS because they want the gold, or because they're trying to fuck with you? Are they split pushing because they legitimately think that's how your team can win? It's impossible to prove either way. Trolling is very hard to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, and things that may look like trolling/griefing in the heat of the moment in game may in fact look innocuous when looked at by a third party with an open mind.

People vastly overestimate the number of legitimate intentional feeders and trolls in League. In the heat of the moment, it's hard to say "wow, I fucked up this game" or "well, our team just got outplayed". People naturally look for someone else to blame - and their minds will concoct stories about people in order to blame them for things. I'm not saying you never experience trolling, and when you do I'm certainly not suggesting you not report it. In fact, I think you should report every instance you think someone is trolling in. That being said, you cannot reasonably expect every single report you file to result in a punishment.

I just got a 25 game chat ban and my honor reset because a premade's jungler died to my lane while I was back at lvl 5, naturally they all slandered me and reported

VexingRavenFeb 10, 20182 votes

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I just got a 25 game chat ban and my honor reset because a premade's jungler died to my lane while I was back at lvl 5, naturally they all slandered me and reported

So what you meant to say is, they died while you were back so you flamed them and got a chat ban for it.

KlydeFrogFeb 10, 20181 votes

im sure there is more to the story

KlydeFrogFeb 10, 20181 votes

also with that people will blame the supp 9 times out of 10

This Is Your DadFeb 10, 20182 votes

One of the major flaws of online gaming is that you hide behind a veil. Your intentions are your own and are subject to the interpretation of others. When someone steals my farm and then flashes his mastery I know he did it on purpose. When someone shoots my jungle camp I almost finished from lane randomly and takes it, I know he did it on purpose. But they cannot and will not ever be caught. Thus this kind of toxicity is unbeatable.