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I was just borderline bullied for not giving up a game.

JustDonnyy·2/21/2019, 9:56:21 AM·3 votes·3,972 views

So this is kinda a "heat of the moment" rant so grammar might not be on point because I'm just going to type this out fast.

TL:TR - I was in a game where 3/5ths of my team AFK'd in spawn at the end then spent the end of the game and the post-game chat to harass me for not giving up and telling me that I'm trash for not knowing when to quit. The last paragraph is some extra toxicity that happened between me and the enemy Diana that has nothing to do with the main topic of this post, but is interesting anyways.

so pretty much I was just in a game playing vlad against a zed, and in typical 'bad game' manner we started falling behind in kills. I was also not doing as good as I could have been, but anyone who plays vlad knows he's a late game 1v5 champ, so regardless of how the game is going, things can always be turned around.

so around 10 minutes into the game the draven (adc) had already been talking about surrendering and quitting the game because it was lost since he died twice... meanwhile our openly toxic lee sin (jg) was pretty much calling draven trash and 100% the reason why we were losing in /all.

so around 20 minutes when they already had three towers and were pretty ahead with a recent rift herald kill, the lulu (sup) typed in /all that bot was "open". the game still lasted a while because it seemed like she was still playing, then once they actually used the herald they got recently, kled (top) decided to join lulu in saying that it was over and that they should "end fast we're just in spawn". shortly after for only like the last 60 seconds of the game, lee sin joined them AFK-ing in spawn.

for the last 2-ish minutes of the game they pretty much were demanding that I give up and stop trying because the game was over, again, my score wasn't amazing but I never give up a game fully, especially a ranked game, so I ignored that and kept playing until they inevitably won the game because three of my teammates we're AFK in spawn.

so then, the post-game chat happens, and I was understandably pretty pissed, I just lost LP that I didn't deserve to lose because it wasn't a real game in my opinion, not to mention the flaming from the toxic jungle and support who quit mid-game, so, after the lulu typed "vlad, you need to know when to quit and when things arent winnable", I made the educated choice to share my opinion on their choices by saying "every game is winnable, you're a quitter who's going to be in this rank for a long time, enjoy the report". which yes, wasn't exactly the nicest thing to say, but I think they deserved to hear it.

then, within the next 60 seconds, I was told "You're fucking garbage, that isn't winnable, you're an idiot if you don't know when to give up, you should give up league in general" ect. ect. I don't remember word for word but that was pretty much jist of it.

Sub-plot - If you're somehow still reading and are even more interested about this shitty game, here's some subplot because even the enemy team was toxic to me. mid-game pyke got a triple kill only with his ult, I proceeded to say how I don't think an execute has a place in a game like this, which is an opinion I have on a champion and has nothing to do with me being toxic to another person. their Diana (jg) then explains that pyke is perfectly fine. Then I explain how his two CC moves and invisibility / healing makes him way to overpowered especially in this elo where not many people can counter it (bronze 1 / silver 4). then she goes on to say that "vlad you have an invis too idiot lol", when i explain how a puddle of very visible blood is not invisibility, she responded to her stupidity by saying "lol whatever, losers gonna be losers xd", then spent the next 10 minutes camping mid, getting kills on me (about 3 of them) and after each time saying "lol you're worse then i thought". I told her that insulting me based off my opinion of a champion was pretty toxic, and that she'd probably agree with me if she were on this team getting destroyed by a fed pyke.

Well, if you read it all or the TL:TR, please give me your opinion on whether or not you think I did/didn't deserve this treatment or if I should or shouldn't have given up. I'll be ignoring toxic/rude responses because as you can tell, I've had enough of that.

25 Comments

Oleandervine2/21/2019, 10:01:01 PM3 votes

There is a point where you should understand that a game IS NOT WINNABLE. It takes a team to win a TEAM GAME. If 3/5th of your team has actively given up, that game is done. It doesn't matter how brass your balls are, how fed top lane may be, how naively optimistic you may be about the outcome, the game is over if over half of your team has already mentally abandoned ship. At that point, it's not only 5v5, it's now a 1v9, as you're dragging out a game that has no business being dragged out. In the what, 20 minutes of time you waste saying no to surrender votes while the walls cave in around you, you could have started and been already deep into another game.

So that's another thing you need to consider too. Your time is precious, and limited. If you work, or have school, or whatever, your don't have an infinite number of hours each night to play the game. Other people are in this same boat. If you are in a severely losing game by the 10 minute mark, and your team is already giving up, that's where you give up and move on, to make better use of their time and yours. You only serve to piss people the fuck off if you keep dragging out a lost game and wasting their time, and the longer you say no, the worse and worse it becomes. So be considerate of others when you get into situations like this, and do learn when to give up so you can get on with your night instead trying to stroke out a win in a game that isn't going to let you have it.

PH452/21/2019, 10:22:12 AM3 votes

I personally find giving up like going AFK/trolling to lose faster extremely annoying behavior, but it is out of your reach if others do it. Just play your best and even if it isn't a winnable game, still play and try to learn from it. Just mute the flamers, and report them afterwards. Most of the time they think they are better than the rest and somehow have the audacity to choose when not to play a game till the end and flame others. In other words, they are delusional.

Mavëríck2/21/2019, 7:25:55 PM3 votes

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So this is kinda a "heat of the moment" rant so grammar might not be on point because I'm just going to type this out fast.

TL:TR - I was in a game where 3/5ths of my team AFK'd in spawn at the end then spent the end of the game and the post-game chat to harass me for not giving up and telling me that I'm trash for not knowing when to quit. The last paragraph is some extra toxicity that happened between me and the enemy Diana that has nothing to do with the main topic of this post, but is interesting anyways.

so pretty much I was just in a game playing vlad against a zed, and in typical 'bad game' manner we started falling behind in kills. I was also not doing as good as I could have been, but anyone who plays vlad knows he's a late game 1v5 champ, so regardless of how the game is going, things can always be turned around.

so around 10 minutes into the game the draven (adc) had already been talking about surrendering and quitting the game because it was lost since he died twice... meanwhile our openly toxic lee sin (jg) was pretty much calling draven trash and 100% the reason why we were losing in /all.

so around 20 minutes when they already had three towers and were pretty ahead with a recent rift herald kill, the lulu (sup) typed in /all that bot was "open". the game still lasted a while because it seemed like she was still playing, then once they actually used the herald they got recently, kled (top) decided to join lulu in saying that it was over and that they should "end fast we're just in spawn". shortly after for only like the last 60 seconds of the game, lee sin joined them AFK-ing in spawn.

for the last 2-ish minutes of the game they pretty much were demanding that I give up and stop trying because the game was over, again, my score wasn't amazing but I never give up a game fully, especially a ranked game, so I ignored that and kept playing until they inevitably won the game because three of my teammates we're AFK in spawn.

so then, the post-game chat happens, and I was understandably pretty pissed, I just lost LP that I didn't deserve to lose because it wasn't a real game in my opinion, not to mention the flaming from the toxic jungle and support who quit mid-game, so, after the lulu typed "vlad, you need to know when to quit and when things arent winnable", I made the educated choice to share my opinion on their choices by saying "every game is winnable, you're a quitter who's going to be in this rank for a long time, enjoy the report". which yes, wasn't exactly the nicest thing to say, but I think they deserved to hear it.

then, within the next 60 seconds, I was told "You're fucking garbage, that isn't winnable, you're an idiot if you don't know when to give up, you should give up league in general" ect. ect. I don't remember word for word but that was pretty much jist of it.

Sub-plot - If you're somehow still reading and are even more interested about this shitty game, here's some subplot because even the enemy team was toxic to me. mid-game pyke got a triple kill only with his ult, I proceeded to say how I don't think an execute has a place in a game like this, which is an opinion I have on a champion and has nothing to do with me being toxic to another person. their Diana (jg) then explains that pyke is perfectly fine. Then I explain how his two CC moves and invisibility / healing makes him way to overpowered especially in this elo where not many people can counter it (bronze 1 / silver 4). then she goes on to say that "vlad you have an invis too idiot lol", when i explain how a puddle of very visible blood is not invisibility, she responded to her stupidity by saying "lol whatever, losers gonna be losers xd", then spent the next 10 minutes camping mid, getting kills on me (about 3 of them) and after each time saying "lol you're worse then i thought". I told her that insulting me based off my opinion of a champion was pretty toxic, and that she'd probably agree with me if she were on this team getting destroyed by a fed pyke.

Well, if you read it all or the TL:TR, please give me your opinion on whether or not you think I did/didn't deserve this treatment or if I should or shouldn't have given up. I'll be ignoring toxic/rude responses because as you can tell, I've had enough of that.

Well.... you ARE trash for not knowing when to quit and holding your team hostage in a lost game.

Scottsc202/21/2019, 6:45:48 PM2 votes

To be honest, these people just sound like a bunch of pessimistic, immature assholes that have no place in this game whatsoever. I would recommend muting and reporting them and continuing to try your hardest, regardless of how bad it looks. I once saw a team come back from a game where they had knocked down 1 tower and the other team had knocked down 11 towers, gotten 5 inhibs, 4 barons, and 3 elders. I'm not even joking. Every game is 100% winnable as long as you don't give up.

Voldymort2/21/2019, 10:27:04 AM2 votes

so... did you report them?

KFCeytron2/21/2019, 10:54:55 AM2 votes

I don't understand your timeline here. You said that after the 20-minute mark the game still lasted a while, and then there were a last few minutes... the match only lasted 19:46 in total. It was 11-4 before the 13-minute mark, and ended at 19:46 with a score of 27-11.

LoL isn't hockey or something, where you can go from 0-9 to 9-9 in the last period. As one team gains an advantage, it actually becomes harder for their opponent to come back, due to more than "this team has been doing a lot better the whole time, so they're probably more skilled/knowledgeable/etc. and will continue to dominate." It's a MOBA; there are stat differences. Short games are pretty common these days, so picking a late game champ can be a problematic strategy if you can't at least hold down the fort until you get to late game.

I understand that ranked is the serious mode where it absolutely makes sense to never give up, but some people value their time and peace of mind even more than they value ranked wins. At 15:00, the earliest opportunity for a unanimous surrender, the score was 16-6, with 5 of those 6 kills being Lee's and the remaining one (just before 15:00) going to Lulu, which put her firmly ahead of Draven in terms of gold. Assuming your team called for a surrender at that point, and assuming you denied it, I can see why they were upset. There was no justification to harass you, of course, but you made them stay an extra 4:46 in a lost game, and they didn't appreciate that.

noob4002/21/2019, 10:27:40 AM1 votes

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Apriccot Jams2/22/2019, 8:36:06 PM1 votes

Riots policy is that there is no context where you can be even remotely negative, which is hilariously stupid, but hey, it is what it is.

Inkling Commando2/22/2019, 8:44:21 PM1 votes

winnable or not i never surrender/give up a game. because it is just a game. who gives a flying fuck if entire enemy is fed off their ass and has all but 1 dragon while my team sits in base to scratch their asses instead of helping. it is just a game. if you cannot accept properly losing and playing to the end then you should not play to begin with. not everyone is gonna cry and surrender over a losing game that was over at the 10 min mark.