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Context should matter, especially for all players. Not just individuals.

Jørgensen·11/4/2017, 7:14:55 PM·5 votes·1,018 views

As a long time summoner and a person who has been issued multiple permanent suspensions over the time I've played this game, I have always come across the same pattern in my bans: "Context does not matter".

To me, this is a huge issue in the League community with the ban system being changed over the years and how bans are issued. Because I read boards, Reddit posts, tweets and more on people being given second chances after being permanently/two weeks suspended. I have no problem with any of these players being given a second chance or having their case reviewed a second time, though what I do find problematic is that it only seems to happen to a few players and others are overlooked and forgotten.

Take my most recent ban as an example:

The other day, one of my accounts suffered a permanent suspension again. This is however after the skipping of chat restrictions were introduced, I contacted support about it and got told that extreme toxicity can lead to your restrictions being skipped and directly thrown into a suspension.

To this, I was quite annoyed but I accepted I lost my edge one game (which I would say is stupid that one game is enough to give you a ban as well) and moved on from it. I took a break from the game and returned afterwards. I didn't play ranked except maybe one or two games for the rest of this season. Purely Normal's or ARAM games to keep my competitive side out of me and just relax and improve my reflexes or map awareness.

This was until this weekend where I met a XinZhao player who constantly told me that the champion I was playing (Gangplank ) was cancer, unbalanced, unfair and stupid. I told the guy that he was beating me big time as he was diving me and constantly killing me. I literally got my face kicked in.

The lovely XinZhao then kept spamming ":)" in the chat as he kept killing me, completely trying to provoke me and I'll admit it was annoying and I felt a bit of my competitive side strike me again. So when we killed him, I wrote smileys back at him. I see no problem in this since that in itself should not be a problem.

After a while, the guy then took it to a whole new level saying that my dad molested me as a child and his premade team started typing "true" in the chat. on top of this kept saying "you will lose this game" and told me how bad I was constantly.

Now, remembering to not throw insults at the guy I instead told him that if he keeps it up he will end up being banned which would be sad over a normal game. He laughed at me saying he wouldn't get banned, but he would report me and add me after the game to prove it. I just shrug my shoulders thinking that I didn't do anything wrong, so what would happen? My team told me to mute him and beat him, to this I responded no that I would rather keep talking to him (non-toxic) to keep him triggered so he would most likely get a ban for his behavior because it was seriously not alright.

Here is my un-edited log for my permanent suspension from that particular game.

A few things I would like to note.

  1. "guys are so fucking trash" - I said this after dying, it was directed towards myself in a meme way ("Mans not hot").
  2. I do make use of the word "fuck" and such a lot, but they're rarely offensively aimed. It can simply be me dying and saying "what the fuck".
  3. I do have a record of being toxic, but that does not mean I don't give a shit or don't try and change it.

Though I personally think that my permanent suspension was completely undeserved, I will have to accept it unless something could be done about it. I am also more than happy to hear some more insight from the community what I possibly could have done wrong here and if it really was a justified suspension. I am open to anything!

Please note:

I have indeed been in touch with Riot Support, though they do not give me any insight other than "we do not lift permanent suspensions under any circumstances and you are responsible for all your own actions" - However, this is not what I read elsewhere which is why I am making this board post to shed some light on the situation.

The only thing Riot support could tell me is that "you use curse words and some people might find that offensive and report you!" - To be completely honest, If I have been reported it has been my team being salty about losing and then the first thing they do is report for being "toxic" though they most likely haven't cared a single thing about my word usage. And I am certain that a lot of people would agree with me on this.

So, don't use curse words even though you mean 0 harm with it or they're directed towards yourself. Not even as a 5 man premade, because if the enemy reports you for being toxic and you've cursed in team chat. You're in big trouble.

[sg-janna]

33 Comments

ModUlanopo11/4/2017, 7:47:20 PM8 votes

"Context should matter" is almost always code for "It's not a problem for me, so it shouldn't be a problem."

As a long time summoner and a person who has been issued multiple permanent suspensions over the time I've played this game.

[emphasis mine]

Clearly there's a disconnect between you and the community. Perhaps you should consider how that's unlikely to change to accommodate you.

Kei14311/4/2017, 7:54:30 PM4 votes

Let's have you look at things from another direction (if you are willing), and keep in mind I haven't looked at your logs and talking from a holistic point of view.

Think of the punishments and behavior System as buckets of paint. Each time you get reported, the system checks for toxicity, if there is toxicity found, then you add some red paint into the bucket. Add white paint into the same bucket if no toxicity was found. Every game you play, it would increase or decrease the concentration of red, and if you pass a certain concentration of red, you'll get punished.

Context doesn't matter cos everyone has their own buckets. If they were found to be toxic in that game, they would get red paint in their bucket. When you counter attack someone's flame, you are also contributing to the flame, so both you and the flamer will be found toxic, and both people get red paint in their buckets.

Another example: In soccer, if playerA tackles playerB wrongly, and playerB gets up and pushes playerA, both will get a yellow card. If playerB wanted to get playerA in trouble, don't push back and just let the referees do their thing.

ModThe Djinn11/4/2017, 7:25:14 PM4 votes

Jørgensen: just gonna mute, cant argue with idiots. Jørgensen: bye nerd Jørgensen: thats a sad life Jørgensen: nah, its fun to trigger kids like him to make sure they get a ban

Even assuming the context on everything you said was 100% accurate, that's no excuse for calling people kids, idiots, nerds, or calling their lives sad.

to this I responded no that I would rather keep talking to him (non-toxic) to keep him triggered so he would most likely get a ban for his behavior because it was seriously not alright.

This is also reportable behavior -- intentionally trying to anger your opponents is unsportsmanlike behavior, and the system can often detect it if it's reported.

Mindspeaker11/5/2017, 12:42:38 PM2 votes

Context should matter

Short answer

No it should not , every player is responsible for their own actions , words and responses.

it does not matter what is said or done in game no matter how bad you think it is if you do what RIOT thinks is a punishable offence it including responding /reacting to anything you don't like in game . You deserve a punishment tier.

Long Answer

Fact : Intentional Trolling in a game ( afk feeding leave buster avoidance etc ) is ban worthy

What alot of players seem to fail to understand is

FACT : responding / reacting to one in any way shape or form is also ban worthy and that is the way it should be .

Another misconception " but the other player did /said this .....you don't show the other side"

FACT: EVERYTHING other than your own words is IRRELEVANT as far as the punishment system goes

That is also has it should be .

So yes what ever you see /hear in game you are supposed to just "ignore it / let it go" no matter "bad" legitimate or otherwise you think it is,

Yes you may loose a "game" or "lp" but really its a video game if you are concerned about something that insignificant that it sends you into a rage and makes you want to verbally abuse other players ... ..you may want to look into that.

Taking that into account you are left with another fact:

There is never any "context" or "justification" for responding to, reacting to any Intentional negative chat , action or play .

Also there is never any "context" or Justification to negativity commenting on something you simply don't like or what you consider "bad play" of any kind.

As for players blaming punishable speech and/or actions on other players - that is also inherently wrong

There is no such thing as being baited. You cannot use that as an excuse.

YOU ( the player) control and are responsible for your own actions speech.

No matter what anyone does or says in game no matter how bad

if YOU choose to respond to it in any way the YOU rightly deserve to be punished as well.

also its not just "one bad game " that will get you banned, you can skip punishment tiers if Riot thinks the offence was bad enough however.

Chermorg (NA) - 12 days ago

Riot treats everyone the same. Everyone is given the same escalation pathway of punishments:

10 game chat restriction 25 game chat restriction 14 day ban Permanent ban

The point of all this is If you don't like how random people, don't want the "risk" of someone intentionally trying to disrupt the game ( intentional feeders afk verbal abusive leaverbuster avoiders) play then it's up to you not to join a random que ,

As for there is a INTENTIONAL feeder or afk just ignore them and play as you would if everything was fine and report them after the game . Take no action ,of any kind in retaliation or respond/ react to them verbally.

Also If a player disagrees and /or ignores the above guidelines and continue to break them remember every player is just GUEST of Riot no matter how much money that player spent on their account and their Privilege of playing in this game can and should be taken away permanently,

nerak2311/4/2017, 8:36:25 PM1 votes

Can you name any situation in which this has happened? The only times I am aware of this occurring are for bans that were incorrectly applied or unusual edge cases (a punishment somehow triggering from pre-suspension games immediately after a suspension ended). Legitimately curious here.

I was just about to post something similar. haha And I have been reading this stuff since GD days when they were just setting up this current board system.

Karunamon11/5/2017, 3:13:53 AM1 votes

Every time I hear someone try to say "context should matter", it comes across as "I should be able to repay toxic for toxic".

Nope.

General Esdeath 11/5/2017, 6:49:10 AM1 votes

"One game giving a ban is bad"

My boy it takes 2-3 games for the punishments. Stop crying about getting so many chances only to be banned on the final straw.