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Context should matter, especially for all players. Not just individuals.

Jørgensen··5 votes·1,018 views

As a long time summoner and a person who has been issued multiple permanent suspensions over the time I've played this game, I have always come across the same pattern in my bans: "Context does not matter".

To me, this is a huge issue in the League community with the ban system being changed over the years and how bans are issued. Because I read boards, Reddit posts, tweets and more on people being given second chances after being permanently/two weeks suspended. I have no problem with any of these players being given a second chance or having their case reviewed a second time, though what I do find problematic is that it only seems to happen to a few players and others are overlooked and forgotten.

Take my most recent ban as an example:

The other day, one of my accounts suffered a permanent suspension again. This is however after the skipping of chat restrictions were introduced, I contacted support about it and got told that extreme toxicity can lead to your restrictions being skipped and directly thrown into a suspension.

To this, I was quite annoyed but I accepted I lost my edge one game (which I would say is stupid that one game is enough to give you a ban as well) and moved on from it. I took a break from the game and returned afterwards. I didn't play ranked except maybe one or two games for the rest of this season. Purely Normal's or ARAM games to keep my competitive side out of me and just relax and improve my reflexes or map awareness.

This was until this weekend where I met a XinZhao player who constantly told me that the champion I was playing (Gangplank ) was cancer, unbalanced, unfair and stupid. I told the guy that he was beating me big time as he was diving me and constantly killing me. I literally got my face kicked in.

The lovely XinZhao then kept spamming ":)" in the chat as he kept killing me, completely trying to provoke me and I'll admit it was annoying and I felt a bit of my competitive side strike me again. So when we killed him, I wrote smileys back at him. I see no problem in this since that in itself should not be a problem.

After a while, the guy then took it to a whole new level saying that my dad molested me as a child and his premade team started typing "true" in the chat. on top of this kept saying "you will lose this game" and told me how bad I was constantly.

Now, remembering to not throw insults at the guy I instead told him that if he keeps it up he will end up being banned which would be sad over a normal game. He laughed at me saying he wouldn't get banned, but he would report me and add me after the game to prove it. I just shrug my shoulders thinking that I didn't do anything wrong, so what would happen? My team told me to mute him and beat him, to this I responded no that I would rather keep talking to him (non-toxic) to keep him triggered so he would most likely get a ban for his behavior because it was seriously not alright.

Here is my un-edited log for my permanent suspension from that particular game.

A few things I would like to note.

  1. "guys are so fucking trash" - I said this after dying, it was directed towards myself in a meme way ("Mans not hot").
  2. I do make use of the word "fuck" and such a lot, but they're rarely offensively aimed. It can simply be me dying and saying "what the fuck".
  3. I do have a record of being toxic, but that does not mean I don't give a shit or don't try and change it.

Though I personally think that my permanent suspension was completely undeserved, I will have to accept it unless something could be done about it. I am also more than happy to hear some more insight from the community what I possibly could have done wrong here and if it really was a justified suspension. I am open to anything!

Please note:

I have indeed been in touch with Riot Support, though they do not give me any insight other than "we do not lift permanent suspensions under any circumstances and you are responsible for all your own actions" - However, this is not what I read elsewhere which is why I am making this board post to shed some light on the situation.

The only thing Riot support could tell me is that "you use curse words and some people might find that offensive and report you!" - To be completely honest, If I have been reported it has been my team being salty about losing and then the first thing they do is report for being "toxic" though they most likely haven't cared a single thing about my word usage. And I am certain that a lot of people would agree with me on this.

So, don't use curse words even though you mean 0 harm with it or they're directed towards yourself. Not even as a 5 man premade, because if the enemy reports you for being toxic and you've cursed in team chat. You're in big trouble.

[sg-janna]

33 Comments

ModUlanopo8 votes

"Context should matter" is almost always code for "It's not a problem for me, so it shouldn't be a problem."

As a long time summoner and a person who has been issued multiple permanent suspensions over the time I've played this game.

[emphasis mine]

Clearly there's a disconnect between you and the community. Perhaps you should consider how that's unlikely to change to accommodate you.

Kartagia3 votes

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"Context should matter" is almost always code for "It's not a problem for me, so it shouldn't be a problem."

I suggest you learn to understand what context mean. As native speaker of Finnish, I can assure you you cannot evaluate single word of English without relying heavily on context as English is totally context defined language. By removing game events and chat of others from reports, all context of talk is removed. This is simple scientific fact. And with this removal of context Riot allowed punishing those who make flamer feel bad by telling him he is doing wrong. That is RUDE! it is really rude to tell wrongdoer he is doing wrong!

I suggest you go to check meaning of words in real factual context before you use your prejudices to define totally wrong meanings of situations. I bet your prejudices also tell that low league position mean player cannot be good or give good points.

ModUlanopo1 votes

I suggest you go to check meaning of words in real factual context before you use your prejudices to define totally wrong meanings of situations.

You're conflating context leading to meaning - "That girl was totally hot" - with context granting exception or acceptance - "He pushed me, so I hit him back."

Just so we're clear, the second type of context is not considered valid in League, by deliberate rule. The Summoner's Code explicitly instructs against adding to toxicity and tolerates zero attempts at justification. "He was feeding, so it's okay for me to flame him" is ALWAYS wrong.

Kartagia2 votes

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You're conflating context leading to meaning - "That girl was totally hot" - with context granting exception or acceptance - "He pushed me, so I hit him back."

Just so we're clear, the second type of context is not considered valid in League, by deliberate rule. The Summoner's Code explicitly instructs against adding to toxicity and tolerates zero attempts at justification. "He was feeding, so it's okay for me to flame him" is ALWAYS wrong.

I am sorry, but you cannot understand English word context at all. It does not mean what you are saying, as you interpret it with prejudices. Context mean context, the environment where it is said. That includes previous comments, the place where ti is said, and who are present. It does not mean what you are trying to say it, but apparently English native speakers have lost their grasp of things due totally incompetent over-competitive class-system based school system. This is really sad to see, as I have lived in times where American school system did work. Then Reagan and neoliberals came.

You are trying to say context is always twisted branding thing. It is not. I am talking of real context not bloody twisted conning you are talking of. No wonder you say "context does not matter" as you have no clue what context really is.

ModThe Djinn4 votes

Jørgensen: just gonna mute, cant argue with idiots. Jørgensen: bye nerd Jørgensen: thats a sad life Jørgensen: nah, its fun to trigger kids like him to make sure they get a ban

Even assuming the context on everything you said was 100% accurate, that's no excuse for calling people kids, idiots, nerds, or calling their lives sad.

to this I responded no that I would rather keep talking to him (non-toxic) to keep him triggered so he would most likely get a ban for his behavior because it was seriously not alright.

This is also reportable behavior -- intentionally trying to anger your opponents is unsportsmanlike behavior, and the system can often detect it if it's reported.

Jørgensen1 votes

Even assuming the context on everything you said was 100% accurate, that's no excuse for calling people kids, idiots, nerds, or calling their lives sad.

I can agree with this to some extent, though context does indeed heavily matter which is the whole point of this board post. I just can't see myself or any other person being banned over responding to people who are extremely toxic.

  1. Saying I was gonna mute because I couldn't argue with idiots was because of the enemy trying to provoke me alongside Xin.
  2. Bye nerd was escaping certain death, there was 0 hostility meant and everyone even Xin knew that.
  3. "That's a sad life" - This one I cannot defend and I take that one on me, but that's still one offense to a permanent suspension.

This is also reportable behavior -- intentionally trying to anger your opponents is unsportsmanlike behavior, and the system can often detect it if it's reported.

I know that this is reportable behavior, but I think I must have phrased it wrong. I don't expect anyone to believe me or not, but I simply chose not to mute Xin because I'd rather have him keep going at me so he would end up being banned instead of taking this onto further games. It's not like I had a plan in my head to get him banned. I just expected him to.

I do take responsibility for my actions, I truly do which is also why I haven't had any complaints towards my other accounts. But I must say this one I cannot see any form of excessive bad behavior.

ModThe Djinn3 votes

{quoted}I can agree with this to some extent, though context does indeed heavily matter which is the whole point of this board post.

Then let me ask this question: why should there be exceptions made to the rule "treat other people respectfully?" Do you believe that someone being a rude person somehow means that you being rude back is suddenly the expected and respectable course of action? If not, why does it exempt you from the expectation of that behavior?

But I must say this one I cannot see any form of excessive bad behavior.

The thing is that permanent bans aren't just for excessive bad behavior. They're also for consistent bad behavior and, if you had a 14-day ban previously, you were given a final warning. The permanent ban is for toxicity without reformation, not simply something reserved for the worst of the worst. I believe this is a common misunderstanding of the permanent ban -- Riot's stance is that toxicity is not allowed, not that only serious toxicity is not allowed.

Jørgensen1 votes

I do not say there should be a change in when it's okay to treat other players with respect vs. not.

I am just saying, I think it's weird that Riot takes context in to matter sometimes and other times not. I do not see why some people suffering permanent suspensions should be allowed second chances and others get told "there is no way we will lift this for a second chance".

It's either, or - when I received my first suspension ever I also contacted Riot about it and was told that no matter how much I regret it I would have to create myself a new account because no suspensions are ever lifted unless they're wrongly applied.

With that being said, I am decently okay with being banned. I am just trying to raise some awareness to context being an important factor and Riot shouldn't put things in boxes like so. And even if they do, just inform people that you're not safe even with a 5 man premade like I was told by the support.

But thanks for the insightful comment, I appreciate it.

ModThe Djinn2 votes

{quoted}I do not see why some people suffering permanent suspensions should be allowed second chances and others get told "there is no way we will lift this for a second chance".

Can you name any situation in which this has happened? The only times I am aware of this occurring are for bans that were incorrectly applied or unusual edge cases (a punishment somehow triggering from pre-suspension games immediately after a suspension ended). Legitimately curious here.

With that being said, I am decently okay with being banned. I am just trying to raise some awareness to context being an important factor and Riot shouldn't put things in boxes like so.

Frankly, I fail to see how they can do anything but. Saying "context matters" means that Riot has to be the final arbiter of every case that is argued, and draw lines of when context is and isn't acceptable, and that's a hornet's nest no company wants to get involved with.

Plus, as the old Tribunal showed, the players don't think context matters. Toxic behavior was invariably punished, regardless of the presence or absence of toxicity in the chat in question. That is why the current system was built the way it was -- the players showed Riot they didn't consider toxicity acceptable in any circumstances, so Riot accommodated that.

Jørgensen1 votes

Can you name any situation in which this has happened? The only times I am aware of this occurring are for bans that were incorrectly applied or unusual edge cases (a punishment somehow triggering from pre-suspension games immediately after a suspension ended). Legitimately curious here.

Sure, here's a board post.

As you can see, he got a reduction to a 14 day suspension. I think that's nice and he totally deserves that chance. But if it can pass for him, how can it not pass for others? I see that it could be abused, but I was told no-go so I just think it's kinda unfair that others get the chance.

I am not trying to create a sob story, but I have a hard time in my life as him. I just don't try and use it as an excuse and by saying that I am not saying he's just making excuses. Though as well as him, people have their own battles in life and I can relate to some of his.

ModThe Djinn2 votes

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Sure, here's a board post.

Interesting. I've legitimately never seen this before.

As you can see, he got a reduction to a 14 day suspension. I think that's nice and he totally deserves that chance. But if it can pass for him, how can it not pass for others? I see that it could be abused, but I was told no-go so I just think it's kinda unfair that others get the chance.

My guess from that post is that he had a very specific situation which he explained politely and in depth, and I'll also point out that we don't know the extent of the toxicity that got him punished, or the circumstances surrounding it.

Frankly, I can't say more save that I guess, from this, that Riot's team is allowed to exercise some discretion in handling tickets, but avoids this as a policy because of how easily it can get out of hand.

Chermorg1 votes

I figured that was similar to that one professional player who was permabanned, but wrote in and it was so borderline on the border between "punish" and "not punish" that they reduced it for him.

They'll reduce punishments that are "too harsh' - and I think this case is likely one where it was justifiable, but too quick a punishment or it was very borderline.

ModThe Djinn1 votes

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I figured that was similar to that one professional player who was permabanned, but wrote in and it was so borderline on the border between "punish" and "not punish" that they reduced it for him.

They'll reduce punishments that are "too harsh' - and I think this case is likely one where it was justifiable, but too quick a punishment or it was very borderline.

Seems that is exactly correct, according to Ulanopo's comment below. :)

Jørgensen1 votes

I would like to point out on my first suspension ever I also wrote an in depth message to Riot but I was told no and there's no reason what so ever to behave a certain way. From mild to extreme causes, toxicity is not allowed. Which is completely fine, but those rules should apply to everyone and should not be able to "change in certain circumstances".

So there I would say they took context into matter, but for someone like me it didn't matter. And that's why I say it should matter for everyone or no-one.

Sorry if I sound salty about being banned and not given a second chance, of course I can't confirm if I deserve one or not. I just personally think I always have been given the middle finger from my worst offenses to my mildest. So seeing others being unbanned from whatever they've done makes the system seem flawed and unfair towards certain people.

ModThe Djinn1 votes

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I would like to point out on my first suspension ever I also wrote an in depth message to Riot but I was told no and there's no reason what so ever to behave a certain way. From mild to extreme causes, toxicity is not allowed. Which is completely fine, but those rules should apply to everyone and should not be able to "change in certain circumstances".

To reiterate Ulanopo's point:

"He received a permaban almost immediately after getting off his 14-day and the IFS triggered off minimally toxic behavior. If there had been a series of toxic games or an openly toxic event, there would not have been room for leniency.

I think you're reading too much into this because it's a corner case."

I can't speak for your particular instance, but I am confident that the scenario you brought up had different specifics that may have lead to the decision in question.

ModUlanopo3 votes

As you can see, he got a reduction to a 14 day suspension.

He received a permaban almost immediately after getting off his 14-day and the IFS triggered off minimally toxic behavior. If there had been a series of toxic games or an openly toxic event, there would not have been room for leniency.

I think you're reading too much into this because it's a corner case.

TrulyBland1 votes

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I am just saying, I think it's weird that Riot takes context in to matter sometimes and other times not.

The whole point of taking context into account is to make decisions based on the exact circumstances. Sometimes these circumstances merit a second chance, sometimes not. And the circumstances that are even considered when making such a decision are usually extremely rare edge cases. The only reason why people keep saying "context doesn't matter", is because most of the time (including your specific case) the circumstances do not actually excuse the displayed behaviour in Riot's and the community's opinion.

Kartagia1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=3vZNVo3A,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2017-11-04T19:45:57.386+0000)

Then let me ask this question: why should there be exceptions made to the rule "treat other people respectfully?" Do you believe that someone being a rude person somehow means that you being rude back is suddenly the expected and respectable course of action? If not, why does it exempt you from the expectation of that behavior?

And why does not Riot enforce this rule? If someone treats you non-respectful fashion, why you have to respect him after that? That is the main flaw of the system - it protects wrong doers initiating flaming. For any sensible person, someone treating you without respect deserves no respect at all. If someone behaves such way he does not honor the code, he should not be protected that subset of code. This is how sensible justice systems work. RIot and USA uses different system which is vengeance system, not justice system.

The thing is that permanent bans aren't just for excessive bad behavior. They're also for consistent bad behavior and, if you had a 14-day ban previously, you were given a final warning. The permanent ban is for toxicity without reformation, not simply something reserved for the worst of the worst. I believe this is a common misunderstanding of the permanent ban -- Riot's stance is that toxicity is not allowed, not that only serious toxicity is not allowed.

No, you get banned for being reported excessively, as the A.S.S. is taught to take wp and gj as insults.

TrulyBland1 votes

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If someone behaves such way he does not honor the code, he should not be protected that subset of code. This is how sensible justice systems work.

Sure... hence why in a "sensible" justice system you are allowed to steal from thieves, murder murderers, set arsonist's houses on fire, rape rapists, etc. etc. I hear you are also totally allowed to do all that without that person being officially convicted of such a crime.

Seriously, you are asking for Riot to effectively remove all protection for anybody, not just flamers. "Hmm... this guy is not buying a sightstone on a support, I feel like that disrespects me, better tell him to kill himself!"

RIot and USA uses different system which is vengeance system, not justice system.

Really now? Yet you are asking for wrongdoers to not be protected anymore from other peoples' revenge. You are literally suggesting Riot should legitimize and "legalize" revenge.

No, you get banned for being reported excessively, as the A.S.S. is taught to take wp and gj as insults.

[citation needed]

Kartagia1 votes

{quoted}

Sure... hence why in a "sensible" justice system you are allowed to steal from thieves, murder murderers, set arsonist's houses on fire, rape rapists, etc. etc.

It allows use of equal force to defend yourself. And, yes, if somebody show no respect to certain rule, he should not be protected by it. Unfortunately takers oppose this as they want system to defend themselves over their victims.

You want system where rules breakers can to free, as system protects them more than victims. And in such systems victim is blamed for the situation, as the reality would hurt mental health of moderate people. The moderate fear that takers can do what ever they want, and thus blame victim as that is only way to maintain delusion of fairness. IT is delusion like the strong belief that things does not change. Change is inevitable.

I hear you are also totally allowed to do all that without that person being officially convicted of such a crime.

No, I do not allow it without punishment but lesser punishment. Main flaw of Riot system is the fact there is only one punishment. if the victim uses equal force, he should not be punished due his right to defend himself. If he uses excessive force, he should also be punished, but the fact other party violated his rights first should always taken into account.

Seriously, you are asking for Riot to effectively remove all protection for anybody, not just flamers. "Hmm... this guy is not buying a sightstone on a support, I feel like that disrespects me, better tell him to kill himself!"

Yes, for the game the player did that. Not totally, but during the game. If you flame somebody, you open yourself to flaming. This way flaming would be punished instead of punishing for being reported. The rules are so draconian it is impossible to play in the way you will not be punished. Especially when Riot does hide all facts of the system, and all reasons of the punishment.

The reason why I want the context taken into account are people who are baiting others to say something they know to be solid reason for banning. Such people should be punished instead of victims. Context is also necessary as people do make types and misclicks. I have several times accidentally written rude word due pressing accidentally enter on wrong part of word or hitting space. These kind of events are not perceived by the system, and it does not take into account next lines correcting the mistake, as it is simulation of malicious human stupidity, not intelligence.

Really now? Yet you are asking for wrongdoers to not be protected anymore from other peoples' revenge. You are literally suggesting Riot should legitimize and "legalize" revenge.

Actually current system is legalizing revenge. it has nothing making the system justice system, as only result of report is punishment of person. It is assassination system in disguise. You cannot counter this argument, but you will try by misinterpreting the meanings of words. Current system gives no reimbursement to the victims, and maximizes harsh punishment on reported. This is not justice, but revenge.

[citation needed]

Adelaine Skyhart. RIot admit all accusations were wrong, but punishment for trolling was correct as so many players did report him.

TrulyBland1 votes

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Adelaine Skyhart.

Was manually banned after careful consideration of the exact circumstances. The number of reports only played a role in that they were high enough despite the system not issuing a punishment that Riot decided to manually review it.

All of the stuff before is you carefully trying to avoid the actual the point: You are trying to legalize personal revenge as opposed to revenge (if you insist on calling it that) dished out by an objective instance. What's more is that Riot's "revenge" actually has helped reduce overall toxicity, while your personal revenge serves absolutely no purpose, not even the supposed purpose of defending yourself. You are not protecting yourself from anything by flaming back. Nobody in the history of LoL has ever gone "Oh, damn, you flamed me back really hard there. Guess I should apologize and stop flaming you."

But hey, all of this discussion is pretty pointless since you basically just agreed that people should be allowed to steal from thieves and rape rapists. I mean, really, you literally said "yes" in the context of those things. You hold the same opinion as people in the medieval ages, who thought people who break the law should be considered outlaws without any rights. It's pointless to talk to somebody on justice systems who clings to moral standards outdated since centuries.

ShinkoMinori1 votes

I guess too many permabans have blinded you to what being a civil human being is. Isn't that like a waste of money tho? buying or lvling that many accounts then buying skins just to end up being permabanned

Jørgensen1 votes

Honestly, that response is nothing but just trying to pour salt in the wound.

Calling me a non-civil human being in itself doesn't make you "any better than me" in toxicity if you're trying to act better for not having a permanent suspension on yourself. Of course I am civil, everyone can have a bad day and go out of line and I take responsibility for that. This example I posted is one of many. But this one I do not think I was any way out of line nor deserved a permanent suspension. Everything else, I accepted and moved on from.

About skins, not really. I have enough money and I like League of Legends despite it all. I have no problem giving money towards development on this game and from what I see coming in pre-season I think everything is going in a good way. Besides I don't "collect" skins I only buy ones I really like which sadly are mostly legacy.

Kei1434 votes

Let's have you look at things from another direction (if you are willing), and keep in mind I haven't looked at your logs and talking from a holistic point of view.

Think of the punishments and behavior System as buckets of paint. Each time you get reported, the system checks for toxicity, if there is toxicity found, then you add some red paint into the bucket. Add white paint into the same bucket if no toxicity was found. Every game you play, it would increase or decrease the concentration of red, and if you pass a certain concentration of red, you'll get punished.

Context doesn't matter cos everyone has their own buckets. If they were found to be toxic in that game, they would get red paint in their bucket. When you counter attack someone's flame, you are also contributing to the flame, so both you and the flamer will be found toxic, and both people get red paint in their buckets.

Another example: In soccer, if playerA tackles playerB wrongly, and playerB gets up and pushes playerA, both will get a yellow card. If playerB wanted to get playerA in trouble, don't push back and just let the referees do their thing.

Jørgensen2 votes

I get that, I am aware how the system works. My post is mainly to cast some light on the other side of the system trying to get some insight on how it is being the player who were issued a ban vs. the people who ban those guys.

I am not saying all banned people are innocent or deserve a second chance etc. But sometimes, I feel like bans are issued too fast and people just look down on those who are punished. And that's mainly because context is not taken into account.

But your comment was really descriptive and well written, I also appreciate the no-hate towards me because I stand out as a toxic person. So thank you.

Kei1431 votes

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I feel like bans are issued too fast and people just look down on those who are punished. And that's mainly because context is not taken into account.

Well let's use a few examples here to dive deeper into the system. The main thing to also understand is that the system does check for severity within the chats.

Lets say if you say "gg ez", you get a drip of red paint, and saying homophobic slurs or encouraging others to harm themselves is a bucket of red paint. Things in the middle toxicity can be equal to a spoonful of red paint or a cup of it.

Now if you made a bad play, and someone starts to flame you hard, assuming you counter attack back at them, you can choose to use a drip / spoon / cup / bucket to respond back to them. If you used alot of spoons, it will become a cup.

So if context was taken into account and lowered the paint concentration from a cup into a spoon, all that means is that it will take more spoons for someone to get punished.

With the current visibility of the behavioral system, getting punished with more games of spoons or getting punished with fewer games of cups doesn't mean much. No one knows well they'll get punished anyways, and people will come on saying things like "if I had known I was close to punishment, I would have never flamed". If we had indications of when someone will get punished, then sure, context will matter more (assuming it lowered the paint concentration from cups to spoons).

Of course, if you say that "due to context, someone should not get any red paint", then I'll be totally against that idea.

NightSpectre1 votes

Hey! It's you again. You seem to still be struggling with the concept of how important context is in a situation. Do I have to remind you again? I'm glad you at least searched up what holistic meant though!

Kei1431 votes

Oh it's you !! The one whom disregard that # of games actually matter in regards to punishment.

Do you still feel the same way after reading the bucket of paint analogy?

Also what are you still doing here if you uninstalled the game already?

NightSpectre1 votes
  1. I did not. You really are bad at reading.
  2. I have no idea what "bucket of paint" is referring to, but I think so yes.
  3. I wanted to see how many people have the same problem so to prove that it isn't just an individual case. Hence encouraging improvement.
Mindspeaker2 votes

Context should matter

Short answer

No it should not , every player is responsible for their own actions , words and responses.

it does not matter what is said or done in game no matter how bad you think it is if you do what RIOT thinks is a punishable offence it including responding /reacting to anything you don't like in game . You deserve a punishment tier.

Long Answer

Fact : Intentional Trolling in a game ( afk feeding leave buster avoidance etc ) is ban worthy

What alot of players seem to fail to understand is

FACT : responding / reacting to one in any way shape or form is also ban worthy and that is the way it should be .

Another misconception " but the other player did /said this .....you don't show the other side"

FACT: EVERYTHING other than your own words is IRRELEVANT as far as the punishment system goes

That is also has it should be .

So yes what ever you see /hear in game you are supposed to just "ignore it / let it go" no matter "bad" legitimate or otherwise you think it is,

Yes you may loose a "game" or "lp" but really its a video game if you are concerned about something that insignificant that it sends you into a rage and makes you want to verbally abuse other players ... ..you may want to look into that.

Taking that into account you are left with another fact:

There is never any "context" or "justification" for responding to, reacting to any Intentional negative chat , action or play .

Also there is never any "context" or Justification to negativity commenting on something you simply don't like or what you consider "bad play" of any kind.

As for players blaming punishable speech and/or actions on other players - that is also inherently wrong

There is no such thing as being baited. You cannot use that as an excuse.

YOU ( the player) control and are responsible for your own actions speech.

No matter what anyone does or says in game no matter how bad

if YOU choose to respond to it in any way the YOU rightly deserve to be punished as well.

also its not just "one bad game " that will get you banned, you can skip punishment tiers if Riot thinks the offence was bad enough however.

Chermorg (NA) - 12 days ago

Riot treats everyone the same. Everyone is given the same escalation pathway of punishments:

10 game chat restriction 25 game chat restriction 14 day ban Permanent ban

The point of all this is If you don't like how random people, don't want the "risk" of someone intentionally trying to disrupt the game ( intentional feeders afk verbal abusive leaverbuster avoiders) play then it's up to you not to join a random que ,

As for there is a INTENTIONAL feeder or afk just ignore them and play as you would if everything was fine and report them after the game . Take no action ,of any kind in retaliation or respond/ react to them verbally.

Also If a player disagrees and /or ignores the above guidelines and continue to break them remember every player is just GUEST of Riot no matter how much money that player spent on their account and their Privilege of playing in this game can and should be taken away permanently,

nerak231 votes

Can you name any situation in which this has happened? The only times I am aware of this occurring are for bans that were incorrectly applied or unusual edge cases (a punishment somehow triggering from pre-suspension games immediately after a suspension ended). Legitimately curious here.

I was just about to post something similar. haha And I have been reading this stuff since GD days when they were just setting up this current board system.

Karunamon1 votes

Every time I hear someone try to say "context should matter", it comes across as "I should be able to repay toxic for toxic".

Nope.

General Esdeath 1 votes

"One game giving a ban is bad"

My boy it takes 2-3 games for the punishments. Stop crying about getting so many chances only to be banned on the final straw.

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