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I got my account suspended for playing trundle smite support

fingolfin14·4/24/2018, 2:56:49 AM·27 votes·12,430 views

Hey all, I am a plat 3 player that loves to theorycraft new strategies.

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=fingolfin14

Here is my opgg, and as you can see, my trundle winrate is not the most impressive, but it has hovered around 50% winrate for the past few days.

I basically got reported for taking smite on trundle, and stealing enemy jungle level 1 instead of going to lane. However, I help out my team immediately after, by usually ganking mid/top right after using my pillar.

Afterwards, I have unsealed spellbook, so if possible, I immediately turn one of my available summoners (smite/flash) into teleport to help out my adc, and buy relic shield to lane with him. I usually keep my smite to help secure objectives including scuttle crab and dragon, but my build is entirely support (and focuses on peeling for my adc).

I do admit, I do 'fail to communicate', but the only odd part about this strategy is level 1, in which I go to take enemy jungle instead of laning. But I fail to see anywhere stated that as a support you have to lane with your ad carry at the start of the game immediately to be considered not trolling.

It is also mentioned that my account got suspended for roaming a lot. I literally have this playstyle on my other supports such as bard, but have not got suspended for the same playstyle.

The reason I do this strategy is because trundle's early game laning as a support is completely abysmal, and you are basically soaking up xp without any tools to trade back to the enemy.

Ticket:

"Hey fingolfin14,

I see that you recently started this Trundle trend, I and yea i wouldn't say its the most meta of roles or play atm which is fine and completley viable, I remember when supports actually did go roam for a bit ie; roaming Ali with boots 5.

I feel like if you did indeed want to be successful when pulling out this secret strat and thats completley fine, but i also see that you failed to communicate these sick plays with your team in the pre-game chats. This lack of communication is huge and can be pretty tilting in a sense especially since you are playing a ranked game and allot can be on the line for anyone whether it be your teammates or your opponents.

I also see that you are currently in Plat which is awesome kudo to you~ On the other hand if you knew you were going to go support trundle which is completley fine i wouldve preferred you take a support summoner skill at least to put your adc's mind at ease. Plat is a pretty high rank for most people and at that level of competetion any small gap that your opponent can snatch from you and they will as the hunger in competetive ranked is very high. I have recieved several reports from teammates and opponents agreeing that this type of behavior, lack of communication and lack of co-operation can be seen as griefing or assissting the enemy team in a ranked environement.

Iv'e reviewed your recent games and the logs definitley let me know that you don't coordinate with your team properly at all, i have read several instances where you leave your bottom lane partner high and dry and when they get crushed you just proceed to say don't blame me.

Below are a few examples of how this can be percieved as griefing, sure you probably didn't have an awful time but that one teammate facing a 2v1 can be decimimating when it comes to team morale. In most of these instances even your teammates agree with your adc that you do leave them high and dry:

[6:16] Jax: lucian can't even 1v2 [6:26] fingolfin14 (Trundle): all he needed was stay under tower

[2018-04-23 03:20:18 PDT] Cootins: gg [2018-04-23 03:20:23 PDT] Orianna Bôt: you guys left your ad alone [2018-04-23 03:20:59 PDT] MingUhLing: yeah [2018-04-23 03:21:02 PDT] MingUhLing: pretty weird

[8:42] Twitch: I'm about to afk [8:55] Twitch: trundle [8:55] Twitch: come [8:56] Twitch: to lane [8:57] Twitch: pls [8:59] Twitch: I'm so far behind

14:07] Caitlyn: ive been 1v2ing for half the game [14:12] Caitlyn: trundle is level 65 [14:14] Caitlyn: 6* [14:26] Caitlyn: but he keeps roaming [15:20] fingolfin14 (Trundle): well no wards

I will not post anymore evidence as it is apparent that you were griefing whether it was intentional or not, your lack of communication and co-ordination with your team only served to penalize you and your teammates in your ranked games. I would consider moving forward that you better communicate with your teammates what and how you want to pull of certain plays. As they can be super powerful and odd as most players wouldnt know how to deal with certain situations ie; lane swapping early support roaming etc. and to avoid any possible reports that may come off as you trolling in game, when really you just want to try out different opening techniques.

With all of this being said i cannot lift this 2-week suspension on your account as it was warranted and will stand by this decision. It wasn't just one game you decided to bust out the sick plays but several, i do agree your winrate is actually really good having it around 50% but that doesn't justify the lack of communication and cooperation exhibited by you throughout the 18 games you played. If you have any other further questions or conerns regarding this 2-week suspenion or any other at all please feel free to contact me at player support i'll be here to help out in anyway that i can.

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100 Comments

redniwediS4/24/2018, 3:50:37 AM20 votes

I have to say I'm a little disappointed in Riot right now. I can see why a warning could be useful here, but there is no such thing as "unintentional griefing". Griefing is a very intentional act, and I would personally like to see this recognized.

Informing people who are attempting non-meta strategies that they have to communicate with their team is a very reasonable response, and punishments are often used as warnings, but this sort of language is not okay.

Scary Door4/24/2018, 4:53:18 AM17 votes

If it was a normal, go for it man, you do you.

If it is ranked. You bet I would report you, even if we won. As someone that has played in Plat (seasons 4-7), I have seen a few of these off-meta strategies attempted and they almost always fail.

I guess I used to be more tolerant of this off-meta type of stuff when League wasn't so snowbally, when games would last 40 minutes and damage wasn't totally off the chart. It's hard enough to win bot lane in a 2v2, but if the support roams/has smite I know (if I'm playing adc, which I basically never do) that I'm at a disadvantage. In Plat, there is less skill disparity than there is in Bronze or Silver, games are generally a bit more evenly matched (albeit still not ideal), therefore, this type of strategy almost guarantees bot lane loses and in the current state of League, if bot loses, you lose.

So, no, I'm not okay with this, I'd report you for it and hope you would get punished. It's nothing against you personally, but until Riot fixes the game I'm afraid I have to put my foot down and say "no" to this shit.

ΦmalphintoΦ4/24/2018, 8:19:42 AM11 votes

sorry man but deserved, im glade to see Riot taking actions on these cases.

Ifneth4/24/2018, 6:17:24 AM11 votes

I agree with Riot. If you want to pull something off-meta, fine, but you have to tell your teammates, who will be expecting you to play meta and reasonably interpret a Support taking Smite and not going botlane as likely trolling, no pun intended.

It’s just like pinging that you’re coming to roam to a lane or gank it, or pinging Baron or dragon. You can only expect your teammates to extend you the benefit of the doubt as long as you extend them the courtesy of an explanation.

Snowman Arc4/24/2018, 8:50:07 AM9 votes

"Plat is a pretty high rank for most people and at that level of competetion any small gap that your opponent can snatch from you and they will as the hunger in competetive ranked is very high."

This. Even though I don't agree with a suspension ( a warning would at least be better), a punishment is justified.

People need to realize something. The things you do have different consequences, based on the context. This generally means that pulling off a "weird" strategy, like what you do here, will have different results if you are in bronze and if you are in platinum. In bronze, you are probably gonna get away with it, in fact it might actually be better than the traditional 2v2 bottom lane. The enemy jungler will tilt because his buff was stolen, and the enemy bot lane won't take advantage of the 1v2 situation.

In Platinum though, this is different. For one, they will recognize there are two smites on the enemy team, so you are probably gonna get denied, or at least be warded, when you try to go for a camp steal, so it's not safe in general. Secondly, most important, the enemy bot lane will take advantage of you missing, resulting in your ADC being zoned out of XP and farm, which is not ideal. It leaves him being vulnerable in-game and frustrated in real life. This is created by you, which can be said to be griefing, even though you have no plan of doing so. It also gives the enemy bot lane a big advantage, so it is essentially feeding (even though not the intent).

Since this is an unconventional strategy you are trying to pull off, you need to at least let your team know. Since there are general lines that people play accordingly (top - jungle - mid - duo bot), that's what people expect without communicating it in the champion select chat. That's the general plan everyone goes by, so there is no need to mention it, and it's generally the plan that's working the best, since everyone, from bronzies, to challengers, to pro players - teams follow it. IF something wants to try something new, which would probably be not ideal, they need to mention it in the chat, so that the players know what your new strategy is and how they should play this out, even what champions they can pick. If you don't do that, then you are running the risk of unintentional griefing and feeding.

For example, in this situation, if you explained to your team that you want to pull of support Trundle with Smite, for one if they didn't agree with it, or thought it was risky, or saw your op.gg and only saw defeats with horrible KDAs, then it's justified that they won't want you to play it. But if they actually agreed to it, then you could explain to them how you are gonna play out level 1, so maybe the Twitch could have picked a safer ADC, like Caitlyn, to deal with the early 1v2.

Now, the thing is that in almost all games you tried this strategy, you fed your ass off. You lost most of your games, and most of those you won, you had a horrible KDA, meaning most probably that your strategy was not good. It was probably toxic to play with, and you kept trying to pull it off, even though you kept seeing no results.

DragonMastaWolfy4/24/2018, 4:59:26 AM9 votes

It is also mentioned that my account got suspended for roaming a lot. I literally have this playstyle on my other supports such as bard, but have not got suspended for the same playstyle.

ADC player here. It's fine for the support to roam a bit, but when they're off roaming for extended periods of time, laning becomes VERY hard for us since it's essentially a 1v2 situation (of course there are a few exceptions where we can manage.) If the enemy is smart, they're going to severely punish the ADC for even stepping close to the farm and will apply some harsh pressure EVEN BELOW THE TOWER. Tower dives aren't risky in this meta, especially against a squishy who has no reliable peel to counter them with. In this situation, there's nothing for the ADC to do and they become incredibly frustrated. If they are going to blame someone for their condition, it's going to be the support who left them in to drown.

[6:16] Jax: lucian can't even 1v2 [6:26] fingolfin14 (Trundle): all he needed was stay under tower

[2018-04-23 03:20:18 PDT] Cootins: gg [2018-04-23 03:20:23 PDT] Orianna Bôt: you guys left your ad alone [2018-04-23 03:20:59 PDT] MingUhLing: yeah [2018-04-23 03:21:02 PDT] MingUhLing: pretty weird

[8:42] Twitch: I'm about to afk [8:55] Twitch: trundle [8:55] Twitch: come [8:56] Twitch: to lane [8:57] Twitch: pls [8:59] Twitch: I'm so far behind

14:07] Caitlyn: ive been 1v2ing for half the game [14:12] Caitlyn: trundle is level 65 [14:14] Caitlyn: 6* [14:26] Caitlyn: but he keeps roaming [15:20] fingolfin14 (Trundle): well no wards

See? Last night, I was in a similar match as these guys where my went top for 5 minutes and left me to fend for myself against a Varus/Karma lane. Since my champ was outranged, I couldn't stop them, my tower fell, and I was useless for the rest of the match. (Then he blamed me for it, but that's besides the point.)

While the off-meta Trundle thing might've contributed, I'm positive that this playstyle, which many of your teammates find detrimental/toxic, is what led to your ban. Not communicating it probably added salt to the wounds.

Echostormxx4/24/2018, 5:11:39 AM7 votes

I've seen a lot of crap like this happen before. I love how Riot justifies it as "lack of communication". Does this mean if I don't say exactly what I'm doing in champ select every game and what my strategy is I will be banned? Do I have to say "I'm gonna farm until level 3 and then all in as kled try and get summs, and then I'll roam somewhere". Honestly, no one actually communicates strategies, so why should something that is "off meta" be any more susceptible to a ban ? I mean seriously, how can you expect to ban someone for playing the game their own way? This discourages creativity and I strongly disapprove Riot. What happens if your teammates decide to report you anyway even if you communicate to them? I was annoyed at the Singed ban, and I saw the Nunu ban too. This feels the same for me. Honestly, more than half of the players in Silver should be banned for lack of communication. Find a better reason to enforce LCS meta Riot. At least try to come up with a valid bullshit excuse.

Kei1434/24/2018, 3:26:41 AM7 votes

We can't read your ticket.

Only you can access that support ticket.

Chermorg4/27/2018, 2:18:56 AM2 votes

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Bot With Dumbass4/24/2018, 3:03:06 AM2 votes

hey im a bard main and i too got banned i used to run smite ignite bard to help dragon control i got a 2 week ban for throwing even tho my win rate and games were ok on bard that is why i have yet to touch the game again since been 4 months i sent a ticket and riot said based on my match history and play i was trolling lol

Gabresol4/25/2018, 5:24:45 PM2 votes

They implemented spellbook and getting smite as anything but a jungler, no matter how many games you wind and jungle buffs you steal, is still reportable...

Venompaw4/24/2018, 7:02:41 AM1 votes

You are in a ranked game scenario where you affect 4 other players on multiple fronts. Not only are you potentially losing other people LP, but you are wasting 15+ minutes of their time that they do not get back. On top of that, you are not communicating which is only causing other players to become increasingly frustrated. I'm sorry, but this is the definition of trolling and toxic behavior

The meta is the meta for a reason. Meta champions and gameplay have always been the superior method in ranked in order to win games and climb. There is nothing wrong with theory crafting as long as the proposed gameplay works within the meta. The problem is that THIS meta does not allow for much deviation. Any kind of analysis will show you that leaving your ADC to fend for himself is extremely detrimental to that player's ability to have any kind of impact on the game and as such the chances of winning the game are heavily decreased. There is a difference between playing trundle support with proper summoners and staying in lane to help your ADC most of the time and what was proposed as "theory crafting" gameplay as described above by this player.

Yea, no, Bard leaves his ADC to fend for themselves frequently, but that's by champ design. Only that's somewhat meta.

Cheese should be embraced, but it should not happen at the expense of other players. It's fine to do this strat as a solo laner because you are gambling yourself and yourself alone. Sure, it will lead to a loss if it fails, but if you tried your best to win your own lane, it's fine. A bad game, if you will. If you are doing this as a support, you directly punish a teammate who plays in your lane. When you queue for support, you should realize that your job is different from others: you don't farm minions or jungle camps. The reason Riot gave support better gold income than other MOBA games like DoTA is so that you can sacrifice farm for your carry, die for your carry, and still make an impact in a game. This cheese goes against the definition of a support. It's a situation where you set up a player to be in a lose-lose situation. If that doesn't fit the style, the player should not play support.

That player should learn to adapt.

I'd rather have Trundle smite support than most of the tank supports or sustain supports.

if it was Bard leaving, no one would complain.