If you join a game to troll, to inflict maximum pain on everyone else on your team, to ruin the game for everyone else and waste 20 minutes or more of people's lives, Riot seems genuinely unconcerned.
However, if you dare to complain about it, you WILL get a chat ban, be branded as toxic, and lose your access to honor rewards.
What kind of system of incentives is this?
Umbral Regent5 votesFirst, Riot does care about trolls, but the issue is they're extremely hard to detect. You have to prove that they were doing something intentionally to screw their team over, and when it comes to gameplay actions, that is beyond difficult to prove.
Detecting chat related offenses (flaming, for example), is incredibly easy. Nobody here likes dealing with trolls, but, chrissakes, man. Don't you know the first rule of the internet? Don't feed the trolls. You may not be able to stop them from trolling, but you can sure as hell keep your account safe by not giving them the reaction they want.
Second, you don't seem to understand the incentives of the Punishment and Honor systems - moreover, you're misattributing things and making a fake argument about them.
The Honor System incentivizes good, sportsmanlike behavior with the promise of rewards - access to ambient key fragment generation, periodic rewards caches, Honor flairs, exclusive skins, and, ultimately, End of Season bonus rewards. (On top of Honor 2 starting to become a prerequisite for some things, like End of Season reward eligibility and eligibility to enter Clash Tournaments).
The Punishment System dis-incentivizes bad, unsportsmanlike behavior with punishments and harsh repercussions for breaking the rules, like chat restrictions, suspensions, and, of course, being stripped of Honor.
Does this mean that some assholes are going to ignore the incentives and try to get people punished by breaking the rules in a difficult to detect manner? Somewhat - it's inevitable that there'll be a few bad apples 'midst the bunch.
Does this mean that, because those assholes exist, that the systems incentivize bad behavior? Hell no.
Rubble Rouser1 votesIf you get trolled, asking to forfeit should not earn you a chat ban while they walk away scot free. You can try to rationalize it all you like, but it's a straight up bad system. And now that I have a chat ban, there's really no point in honorable behavior - there's almost no upward mobility in the honor system, but it will plummet you downward for even daring to ask for a forfeit when you have an intentional feeder on your team. So, say I behave over the next twenty games - the next time I get trolled and ask to forfeit, I get slammed with a bigger chat ban, and my honor is right back to where I started.
Not much of a justice system.
ModThe Djinn5 votes[{quoted}](name=Rubble Rouser,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=3YNEEhhH,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-04-15T22:50:43.504+0000)If you get trolled, asking to forfeit should not earn you a chat ban while they walk away scot free.
"Hey guys -- we're getting stomped. Can we surrender?" will never get you a chat ban unless you're spamming it nonstop.
Do you have your chat logs? I suspect something in your tone or language may have caused this restriction.
Rubble Rouser1 votesIt was probably closer to spam, but I was extremely careful to NOT be toxic, exactly because I wanted to do Clash and needed to maintain level 2 honor. I never cursed at my team, not even the feeder. Just insisted politely that we should ff rather than let the troll drag it out for us - why would we help him achieve his goal? A duo wanted to play it out, and told me I had a negative attitude for wanting to give up, which was, in their words, a "reportable offense."
And no, it wasn't just a bad game - this individual said in the lobby his goal was to go 0-15 as Morgana jungle, because he couldn't get support.
Basically, I'm just annoyed that now I'm caught up in the penalty system, which is nigh impossible to get out of. Meanwhile, the original troll has no problem. That seems absurd.
Magdova1 votes[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=3YNEEhhH,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-15T22:52:51.380+0000)
"Hey guys -- we're getting stomped. Can we surrender?" will never get you a chat ban unless you're spamming it nonstop.
Do you have your chat logs? I suspect something in your tone or language may have caused this restriction.
Unless you record the game yourself while playing it, riot will never give chat logs until you are banned
Arammus1 votesidk. i think the system is fun. i had some good laughs with it :D
Rubble Rouser1 votesRe-upping after today's game, which featured a duo camping me top, talking in all chat about how terrible I was, asking if I was tilted yet, cursing me out, then getting 3+ MVP honors at the end of the game for it, while I was reported by the duo and my team because I was dying too much.
Great system, Riot! Super fun!
Quiet Dude1 votesYou don’t get in trouble for playing badly. You get punished for being inflammatory. Hope you reported those two if they were indeed being toxic.
Rubble Rouser1 votesThey got honors, I got at least 5 reports. None of it had to do with being "inflammatory," everyone in the game just loved to see a pair of online tough guys being assholes. If the community rewards psychopathic behavior, the victims are punished while the aggressors are rewarded.
The system is completely broken, almost beyond repair. The best thing you could do is find other like-minded psychopaths and torture any individuals you come across, safe in the knowledge that victory will get you honors while you still get to bully and abuse whatever target you've found.
Quiet Dude1 votesIt sounds like you’re just going to disregard about anything except what you wanna hear, not really worth replying to IMO
Rubble Rouser1 votesBecause my experience contradicts what you believe, you're disregarding the evidence in favor of belief? Ok.
Quiet Dude1 votesYour experience also includes a ban, something I've never had. So enjoy your evidence and it's just rewards.
SEKAI1 votesIf you run into an asshole, well bad luck you ran into an asshole.
If everybody you run into is an asshole, well mate you are THE asshole.