How do i win this?

Elapidaé·Sep 5, 2018·3 votes·1,977 views

How am i supposed to recover a ranked game when my jungler literally runs it down? Its not fair that i cant climb because every game i get a player who wants to be the star of the show and when theyre not carrying they dont try to win. Or this; I had a game where my wukong was mad he didnt have all the kills and refused to group and we kept getting 5v4d. We couldnt play around him because he wasnt doing anything productive, so we just had to take the loss. He knew he was throwing on purpose but i cant report him because he didnt actually int or say any trigger words, he just purposely threw and did it because he knew there would be no consequences. This happens far too often where people can get away with throwing games and i feel like its really preventing me from getting better. What do i do here? Its ranked so i dont want to go into the next game in fear of a similar situation. I admit, there have been games that i underperformed on and i was the reason we lost, but what is there to do when a player completely stops trying to win and theres no way to tell them they were wrong for it?

33 Comments

HolakuSep 5, 20185 votes

So you think you're the only one who gets these kind of players? We all have to deal with dysfunctional players.. I used to complain like you too. I've learned that in order to climb I needed to 1v9 and carry the team..If theyre not feeding or are ahead then its a bonus.

Learn to blame yourself for not solo carrying a game if you can't then you're not good enough to be on the elo above you. Instead of complaining learn to analyze games change what you couldve done better.

ElapidaéSep 5, 20181 votes

I know im not the only one who gets these players thats why im bringing it up. What are some things i can analyze in games and use for growth?

HolakuSep 5, 20182 votes

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I know im not the only one who gets these players thats why im bringing it up. What are some things i can analyze in games and use for growth?

Well I'm glad you asked.. If you want to climb you should forget about fun, You need to pick the S tier champions (you can find these at Mobalytics) Stay away from adc and support and top. Climbing with mid lane allows you to gain lvl advantage and gold and roaming potentials but since you are having a hard time carrying I suggest going in the jungle.. In the jungle it is all about knowledge. Where to ward, Where to gank from, Where to counter jungle, Which objectives are free. Im sure youve heard that a good jungler can tilt the whole game to his favor..Id start watching virkayu and kingstix on youtube if i were you.. You need to stop flaming, Let others carry you if you cant, Stay back and be patient if you or they cant, Recognize oportunities (Free objective,Free farms, Free kills enemy mistake) if you are ahead.. close the game and do not fool around.

Analyzing - Look at the graphs look at the stages of the game... where was your highest point(where were u guys winning/losing) and try to figure out how you lost .. if you lose a game because of your adc getting caught it is not his fault or anybodys fault it happens. analyze where the enemy team were at the time u guys were farming or running around (these are when you should be warding around while farming). things like this

ElapidaéSep 5, 20181 votes

I dont really flame and im more or less a Cassiopeia Vladimir two trick. It might sound like typical silver talk but i think my mechanics are above average, i know to kite, i know the combos, i keep tabs on my mini map i check twice every 10 seconds. Im aware my game play isnt perfect but its mainly game knowledge i feel that in lacking. I need to improve my macro, my roams, maybe my builds, i need to work on capitalizing on mistakes the problem is that i just get into a bad mindset that “okay if i roam bot what will i gain from it and what will i lose? Is it gonna be really worth it because im sure ill get spotted on a ward i shouldnt let ____ push for free” and then i just dont roam

ElapidaéSep 5, 20181 votes

Maybe its more of a personal thing

HolakuSep 5, 20181 votes

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I dont really flame and im more or less a two trick. It might sound like typical silver talk but i think my mechanics are above average, i know to kite, i know the combos, i keep tabs on my mini map i check twice every 10 seconds. Im aware my game play isnt perfect but its mainly game knowledge i feel that in lacking. I need to improve my macro, my roams, maybe my builds, i need to work on capitalizing on mistakes the problem is that i just get into a bad mindset that “okay if i roam bot what will i gain from it and what will i lose? Is it gonna be really worth it because im sure ill get spotted on a ward i shouldnt let ____ push for free” and then i just dont roam

Pro players check their mini map every 3 seconds so do I. Cassiopeia is really good at carrying game im not sure about vlad.. being spotted by a ward..this is why its better if you play jungle.. you will learn all this with experience.. u need to play jngl to learn how to roam in my opinion. I played a lot of adc just to practice my kiting .. as a kindred main my kiting skills were bad when I picked her up after their rework. to get better at roaming .. learn how to jungle and where the popular wards are

ElapidaéSep 6, 20181 votes

i feel like ive carried quite a few games on vlad, like i remember going 12/0 15/0 23/2 and i think i have him pretty close to mastered. And jungle...ive tried to learn but i just do not like the role

usul1202Sep 5, 20183 votes

Some games are guaranteed losses. Pretty much the exact same number are going to be guaranteed wins, for the same reasons. Those, you shrug and say "welp, shit" then move on and play the next game. The only thing you can effect in your climb is your own play, so even on the guaranteed losses try to improve something.

Maybe you want to try bejng a bit more aggressive in laning/mid game, a guaranteed loss is a good time to try. Or perhaps you know your farm always falls off midgame. No time like then to work on rotating while still showing up to fights, even if you don't make it its a 5v4 vs a 5v3.

Yea it's - 20 LP or whatever, but you have to use it to make yourself better so that next game, when you play can decide it, you're better than you were before.

HolakuSep 5, 20181 votes

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Some games are guaranteed losses. Pretty much the exact same number are going to be guaranteed wins, for the same reasons. Those, you shrug and say "welp, shit" then move on and play the next game. The only thing you can effect in your climb is your own play, so even on the guaranteed losses try to improve something.

Maybe you want to try bejng a bit more aggressive in laning/mid game, a guaranteed loss is a good time to try. Or perhaps you know your farm always falls off midgame. No time like then to work on rotating while still showing up to fights, even if you don't make it its a 5v4 vs a 5v3.

Yea it's - 20 LP or whatever, but you have to use it to make yourself better so that next game, when you play can decide it, you're better than you were before.

There is never a game that is a guaranteed loss unless your team which is full ad are against full tank and bruisers.. it all depends on how you play.. if guarantee lossess exist I wouldnt have the winning streak I am right now at the time of writing this im on my 7th winning streak with nunu at gold 1... all ranks.. this is because I know the jungle more than the enemy jungler and i use this to my advantage even if it looks like a lost a good timing baron or fight can win u the game.. it all depends on your knowledge

usul1202Sep 5, 20181 votes

Guaranteed losses are few and far between, but they exist. I mean, hashitshit had a 20 game winstreak in diamond, the odds are on your side. But challenger players hit diamond with an 80-90% win rate. I think tf blade on his most recent unranked to challenger was at 85% win rate when he hit diamond and he's frequently around rank 1. It's plain fact that you're not going to win every game, and beating yourself up for losses where nothing but absolute perfect play would have won is stupid.

Maybe your team feeds, maybe you're faker at world's and the enemy laner picks malz to shut you down no matter how hard you're carrying, it happens. You're only 20% of your team, so you do what you can and even if you can't win you always learn from it.

HolakuSep 5, 20181 votes

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Guaranteed losses are few and far between, but they exist. I mean, hashitshit had a 20 game winstreak in diamond, the odds are on your side. But challenger players hit diamond with an 80-90% win rate. I think tf blade on his most recent unranked to challenger was at 85% win rate when he hit diamond and he's frequently around rank 1. It's plain fact that you're not going to win every game, and beating yourself up for losses where nothing but absolute perfect play would have won is stupid.

Maybe your team feeds, maybe you're faker at world's and the enemy laner picks malz to shut you down no matter how hard you're carrying, it happens. You're only 20% of your team, so you do what you can and even if you can't win you always learn from it.

I dont want to argue , I am really adamant about never giving up .. the only guarantee losses i believe in is if I have an afk or REAL trolls like 6 tear item and "come baron free kill" .. these are the guarantee loss to me.. but to say guarantee loss from match making is just really wrong. you cant know the out come of a game until way later... there are so many ways around malzahar thats a really bad example.. i like to look for solutions rather than giving up . thats how I got this account from silver V to gold 1 in 1 and half month . By not giving up and always look for solutions.

usul1202Sep 6, 20181 votes

There's a difference between giving up and accepting lp losses. Giving up implies stopping trying, and not working to win. Accepting a loss is more of a mental "welp, that sucks", and then instead of moping over it and tilting yourself, using the game as a learning experience to get better. Everyone loses, but as long as you keep improving then the next game that you can control is more likely to be a win, which is how you climb. Winning what you can.

That malz example is literally what happened at worlds last year. Crown picked solely to shut down faker, and they won. Faker wasn't able to 1v5, even as arguably the best pro mid on the planet. It happens to dopa too, if you ever watch his climbs. It sucks, but it's a team game, and especially in soloq, you don't always get dealt a good hand. Rather than get super invested and get bogged down in the loss, using that time to improve for next time is very beneficial to your climb.

HolakuSep 6, 20181 votes

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There's a difference between giving up and accepting lp losses. Giving up implies stopping trying, and not working to win. Accepting a loss is more of a mental "welp, that sucks", and then instead of moping over it and tilting yourself, using the game as a learning experience to get better. Everyone loses, but as long as you keep improving then the next game that you can control is more likely to be a win, which is how you climb. Winning what you can.

That malz example is literally what happened at worlds last year. Crown picked solely to shut down faker, and they won. Faker wasn't able to 1v5, even as arguably the best pro mid on the planet. It happens to dopa too, if you ever watch his climbs. It sucks, but it's a team game, and especially in soloq, you don't always get dealt a good hand. Rather than get super invested and get bogged down in the loss, using that time to improve for next time is very beneficial to your climb.

And now you're just twisting my words, I never said anything about moping and carrying a lost game with you on your next game.. You should never carry a bad game with you on your next game . I'm talking about while you're still in the game..giving up is just an option... Faker is not the best league gamer in the world and im sure there were better thing they couldve done to prevent their loss... giving credits to malzahar alone is wrong.. Malzahar as a champ with just R did not solo tilted the game on their favor, there were a mixture of bad plays bad decision making in that game. I'm very ignorant you can ignore me if you want but I will never surrender a game ..id rather look for solutions.. if it doesnt work out then that means I wasnt good enough to win that game.. the enemy played that game better than me... it doesnt mean they are better than me it just means they played THAT game better.. i lost the battle not the war.

usul1202Sep 6, 20181 votes

No, you didn't. I was just keeping on topic from the original post, since from this post it seems that the loss affected op.

If you don't like faker, then let's go with dopa. Afaik the best soloq player by record, ever. Dude climbs to rank 1 Korea in his spare time, makes a living boosting people to challenger. He loses games.

Since I'm guessing you'll ignore that, I'll toss this out. Just as you could "perfect play", so could all 9 players in that game. It's 100% absurd to invest anything into that thought. Instead, you move on. You play out the game with an intent to get better. If you have a feeder and they play well, or they just have 1 very very good player, then it sucks. That lp drop/demotion/lost promos sucks. You don't have to ff, but I've found that your best option is to use that game/lane/last 5 minutes of feeding teammates to improve yourself.

Kei143Sep 5, 20181 votes

That guarentee win/lost is dependent on you being in the ELO that you are supposed to be in.

People whom are better than their division ignores that rule.

HolakuSep 5, 20181 votes

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That guarentee win/lost is dependent on you being in the ELO that you are supposed to be in.

People whom are better than their division ignores that rule.

And that came out of you.. this means you cant blame anybody else for losing a game but your self.. if you wanna climb be better than ur elo.. its so simple

Kei143Sep 5, 20181 votes

Indeed it is.

Mc TruckSep 5, 20181 votes

I am a passive player who waits for the opponent to make a mistake and never carries by himself. Considering that I am not silver 5 and you are, I can conclude that you make some horrible mistakes way too often and don't notice them.

Let's start with the small one. What champion do you main to climb the ladder?

ElapidaéSep 5, 20181 votes

Cassiopeia Vladimir Malzahar

ElapidaéSep 5, 20181 votes

Im not saying i dont make mistakes, i know im silver 5 for a reason. Please, enlighten me on what i need to do to win these games because i genuinely want to grow as a player.

Kei143Sep 5, 20181 votes

Why not get a free coach at http://www.lolcoach.com or something?

BlinkZZ182Sep 5, 20181 votes

If you want to win in ranked there is no need to even mention the wukong. Just follow this concise but awesome solo elo boosting guide (always working under Platinum):

Play Top and ADC only
Learn this champion list and pick nothing else out of this pool during BP: For 8.17, Sion is priority as Top Lane
Ban Darius if you are picking your champion first while playing top. If you play ADC, pick no one but Swain then tell your jungle to pick a low elo braindead hardcarry like Yi, Jax, Graves........
Avoiding getting killed in lane; try to get some CS; do not fall behind on EXP; freeze your lane all the time; build nothing but full tank (including Swain) and maybe 1 or 2 support items like Knight's Vow; give up your kills/minions to carries (can still do this even if you are Swain);
With silver 5 skill level you will be able to reach around silver 1 to gold 5 with this guide after some number of games with above 51% win rate, assuming you don't get exceptionally better during these games

These are all extremely economy-efficient champions. Even if they fall behind in gold, they are still useful in teamfights because of their CC, tankiness, utility, and build-in damage.

In other words, you will almost never fail your teammates unless you feed your laner. By stating yourself occupying the top position you deny any chance that a top feeder appearing on your team. By playing bot Swain you eliminate the chance of having a useless ADC (most silver and bronze adcs can not do much damage unless they happen to be so ahead during lane phase) on your team.

Mc TruckSep 5, 20181 votes

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And here is the first mistake - you have three champions where you should have one. Climbing with 3 is gonna be much more diffcult and picking something out of this 3-champ pool is even more undesireable.

Lost games should be used to master your main. Your ultimate weapon to crush not-so-hopeless games. Turn your brain on, do everything to outsmart your opponents - kill them and not die. Push turrets, track their movements, delay their nashor, poke them and farm as a true farmer. Be annoying and make them wish they ended the game two minutes ago. Not only you are going to get some value out of 4/30 game to win the further ones, you are also going to turn some of them around. Not many, but even one is worth it.

By no means you should stupidly believe that every game is winnable, but there are other ways to enjoy them without running it down mid or leaving the match.

ElapidaéSep 5, 20181 votes

I feel like it would be silly to go into every game looking to play one champ because if they get banned or picked i have no play.

Mc TruckSep 5, 20181 votes

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I feel like it would be silly to go into every game looking to play one champ because if they get banned or picked i have no play.

This is going to be your issue when it gets banned or picked before you. Sure , you need some picks that you don't feed with just for this case, but you should avoid them most of the time. 95%ish.

BlinkZZ182Sep 5, 20181 votes

Let me tell you a real life story. I have a good friend (also a once roommate of mine) who is Diamond. He has a girlfriend who is roughly mid-silver skill level. His girlfriend will always ask him to boost her account to platinum 4, which is no big deal for him. Then she can play ranked solo by herself and after she has done abusing her account to gold she leaves her account to my friend again. My friend takes her account to platinum 4 again and this goes back and forth. She simply just want to play with platinum players. Winning or losing does not matter to her.

We all laughed when we heard my friend talking about this. However, he had a very convincing and sound explanation.

Aside from her, there are 9 players in each match. If her team loses the match because of her, only 4 people loses the game, the majority (5 of 9 people) will still win. She does not count because she is selfless, she is indifferent to winning or losing. So overall, what she has been doing is a good thing, as it turns out to be beneficial to 5 people and only harms the other 4 every match, assuming all other 9 players play the game to win.

While I have sympathy over those random teammates who lost LP because of her bad play, I pity those among them who had ferociously insulted her for they were unable to see this truth.

In other words, the reason that you screamed at that Wukong was not because of his behavior, it was because that Wukong was on your team. If you were one of the five guys on the opposite team you would be tolerating Wukong's behavior. Perhaps you would even be delighted for having such a player on the enemy team. Statistically, 5 out of 9 (55%) players will benefit from Wukong's behavior. You just need to suck it up when you end up on the losing side and avoid inviting these people to your premade duo.

ElapidaéSep 5, 20182 votes

But this is not the case. I didnt scream at wukong, i asked him to group with the team. He wasnt playing for fun, he wanted to win, but he wanted himself to be the win condition. When he realized he wasnt the one doing the damage, he stopped trying and just afk farmed. And yes its ranked who wouldnt enjoy a free win? But i would still feel bad for the other team if he was on their team.

zPOOPzSep 5, 20185 votes

purposely tanking 4 players and artificially boosted 5 players is a good thing? While the girl has no integrity, please don't claim purposely inflating LP of more people and harming the integrity of the Platinum pool as a good thing.

She does not count because she is selfless

I think you misspelled "selfish"

edit - also I think your math is wrong. You forgot to account for the 5 loss to 4 win in the gold division when the selfish girl is being boosted... So now the shameless girl is harming BOTH gold and platinum pool..... not entirely how your group of friends can convince yourselves that's a good thing when the "net LP gain" of both divisions combined is not even positive.

Think of this. While the girl tanked games at Plat 4 can arguably say not a lot going on in the mid division, when your friend boosted her account across the gold 2 gold 1 plat 5 area, when you look at the 5 losses to 4 wins for each game, that is A LOT of series promotion your friend fucked people over for one girl's selfish desire. Tell me that's a good thing...

BlinkZZ182Sep 5, 20181 votes

You have not understood my point. Taking her boyfriend for another example, he is using her account, playing platinum games, hard carrying the game because he has diamond skill level. Will that not be "tanking 5 players and artificially boosting 4 players"? Won't that be even worse because one more player loses because of him?

You see, the 2 scenarios are alike. A troll on one's own team is the same as a smurf on the other team. You can not blame the girl for this loss just like you can't not blame the rankbooster on the other team for a loss.

zPOOPzSep 5, 20181 votes

If I understand correctly, you seem to think it's okay to win or lose (winning a lopsided game is NOT fun...) -because of some selfish person purposely playing in the division obviously well above her skill level -because of a boosting smurf (which is against the game rules by the way)- -because of troll (it creates the same lopsided game) -because of afk (again, uneven, unfair game) -because of inter (same) are all blameless???

While some are much worse than others, they each create a very unfair, uneven game environment for 9 other people. Each one of them break the integrity of matchmaking and you are no longer playing an evenly matched game. You are saying this is okay?

BlinkZZ182Sep 5, 20181 votes

There is a critical difference between some of the behaviors that you have mentioned.

Intentional feeding and trolling (like intentionally blocking teammate Sion's ult with Trundle icedick, carrying teammates to the enemy with Tahm) are blatantly noxious behavior because the person is clearly not trying to win the game.

Afk is somewhere in between. Sometimes it is merely an accident like a power outage.

A silver player in a platinum match can still try her best to win the game, even if she is not capable of that most of the time. Riot does not support players reporting others for "being bad", "sucking at the game". You see there is no such option.

People have different ideas behind playing ranked matches. Though most player treats ranked solo/duo seriously, there will always be others who treat it as only one of the game modes. Ranked Flex is a better example, some people take Flex as seriously as ranked but others cant care less and try all kinds of troll builds/picks in it.

ElapidaéSep 5, 20181 votes

At the end of the day if shes playing for fun she should play normals, not cost randoms lp because she wants to play with someone

UrielSep 5, 20181 votes

Very simple; Carry harder. And yes, I know it's the most general thing you'd hear, but it's true.

If you see a person messing up, don't let it distract your game. Keep in mind there's a person to stay aware of more than the others, and keep focussing on your own gold gain, so you can purchase items fast enough to take him down. Ward objectives so they can't take them without contesting it or at least demanding something in return.

Just because one person is falling behind, doesn't mean your ENTIRE team is falling behind. If you make sure you don't mess up your own game progress, you can still execute your game plan just fine. In the end, the game objective isn't an amount of kills.