Is this considered toxic behaviour?

Abandon·Oct 28, 2016·1 votes·883 views

So I've got off playing a normal everyday game of league of legends, we lost but that's no big deal. The dilemma I have is that I apparently offended one of the players in my team, the support Janna, because I was (in her eyes) arrogant enough to recommend her to save mana for her shield. Now I know she's a better Janna player than me and during our last fights near our nexus when we were arguing I even told her that she was a better Janna that I ever was but she still proceeded to get extremely 'triggered' and tell me to "don't tell her how to play her champion" repeatedly. After post-game she added me and I listened to what she had to say, she was still triggered so at that point I just blocked her.

Was I in the wrong? What should I do next time I want to give a tip/recommendation to a teammate? Answers would be nice.

19 Comments

ShinkoMinoriOct 28, 20162 votes

What should you have done... : Just ch...

Wait a sec you are from OCE lul... you should have just get used to it, OCE is forever toxic.

AbandonOct 28, 20161 votes

Hehe, I know :p

I don't know why someone downvoted you but I don't think people understand what happens down here in OCE :^) I try to play as positive as possible and throw around the usual 'nice!' or 'dw' or whatever. Not sure if it falls under deaf ears here though.

ShinkoMinoriOct 28, 20161 votes

Discoheat taught me

Jo0oOct 28, 20162 votes

Hard to say without reading the exchange.

I think a lot of people in your position tend to state things that are either a) obvious mistakes that the offender was already going to try to fix, or b) not actually a mistake, demonstrating your own lack of knowledge of the champ.

A few examples that I've witnessed while playing Bard:

"Why didn't you heal me?" -- Bard isn't a healer, idiot. I HAVE a heal, sure. It gives me a modicum of sustain in lane. But I'm sure as hell not going to out-heal incoming damage the way Soraka, Nami, or Sona are capable of.

"We would have won that fight if you had stunned" -- Yeah, probably. My bad. Bard's stun can be hard to land: it's a short and slow skill shot that only stuns in specific conditions. Feel free to disengage, like I tried to do, when I miss it. Otherwise, I was already planning on trying harder next time, you aren't helping.

"(Literally anything having to do with Bard's ult)" -- Bard's ult has the potential to kill my own entire team. I'm careful and discriminating when I use it. Don't just assume a Bard ult will magically land exactly where it's needed every single time.

In the case of your Janna: You may have had the best intentions. And if the Janna had wasted all her mana on harassing and couldn't shield, she's certainly in the wrong. But if she's been desperately trying to keep you alive with shields and peels, finally ran out of mana, let you die, AND THEN you tell her she should have simply had more mana, then I can totally see why she reacted poorly. It's probably best to just keep it to yourself next time.

AbandonOct 28, 20161 votes

Alright I'll take what you said to heart. The one thing that got to me was that she literally said she was the best Janna at our elo (s1 - g4ish) and that I should not be telling her what to do. I didn't attempt to fight her but that kind of rubbed me the wrong way. The way she went at me seemed like it was because I stepped on her pride so I don't know if I just chose a really bad time to let her know to conserve mana or like the idea itself was just bad.

I guess i'll become more a mute again :^), thanks for your input.

N PelosiOct 28, 20161 votes

Just don't say anything. You'll find that people in general don't take criticism(constructive or not) well, especially anonymous criticism. Most of the time, they know what they did wrong and someone stating it doesn't help in any way shape or form. In fact, it can tilt them when they would have normally corrected their mistake on their own.

Taking criticism is a learned skill that most folks don't have or care to have. In short, don't try to help unless you are asked.

AeroWaffleOct 28, 20161 votes

Without actually seeing the exchange, I can't really give my opinion if what you said was offensive.

It's very easy to give completely legitimate advice in a rude manner, just as it's easy for some people to get offended by politely given advice.

AbandonOct 28, 20161 votes

I legitimately said something on the lines of, "you should save some mana for your shields Janna".

AeroWaffleOct 28, 20161 votes

That's likely to get a, "thanks captain hindsight", if it were said to me after I ran out of mana. Since if I were ever to run out of mana to do something essential, it's immediately followed with the thought, "Damn, I should have saved my mana". Hindsight is 20/20.

It would have probably been better to say, "Try not to spam so many abilities Janna, you'll run out of mana quickly".

But no, I wouldn't have found your comment offensive, but remember, people are often high-strung when they're losing or playing poorly.

If they explode at you, just back off and let them simmer down.

AbandonOct 28, 20161 votes

Hmm alright. I'll try to ease in a bit more next time. If that doesn't work I guess i'll just back off. Thanks for the insight, I appreciate it :)

Adrian BlackbearOct 28, 20161 votes

It depends on how you were saying it to her. The other thing that some people don't realize is that supports get a lot of flack for everything.

The enemy AP mid doing too much damage in team fights? "<insert support champion> where is your locket!?"

Bottom lane gets ganked by enemy jungler? "God this support does nothing to help me"

Your ADC feeds kills 3 times, while you have 0 deaths? "This support sucks!"

So while you are just asking her to save mana for shield, she was more than likely triggered by the fact that you were critiquing her when she probably receives "advice" regularly from other teams.

AbandonOct 28, 20161 votes

You know, I get that. Support or jungle is usually the roles that get shat on by teammates, it's a common occurrence sadly. In this game however, ALL I DID was recommend her to "save mana for shield" and she went off at me.

Where I was in the wrong for asking or I should just not have said anything, I honestly don't know. That's why I'm asking :/

Adrian BlackbearOct 28, 20161 votes

I'm not saying that you were in the wrong for asking, but I don't know how you said it because that does play a part.

If you are saying it nicely, you're fine. Otherwise, I would have kept quiet.

AurorzOct 28, 20161 votes

Sometimes just don't take it personally, she/he was probably having a bad day?

Kei143Oct 28, 20161 votes

Normally, if I recommend something and they instantly get triggered, I just appologise and know not to say anything more to them.

Some people'\s ego are just huge and everything is an attack to them. So, I let it be and focus on the game.

nerak23Oct 28, 20161 votes

Without actually seeing the exchange, I can't really give my opinion if what you said was offensive.

Couldn't say it better..I won't place a vote on something I have no evidence of.

HrynaOct 28, 20161 votes

Depends on how you said it.

Morality CoachOct 28, 20161 votes

Why would anyone want coaching from some Oceanic Bronze? You do realize there are 10 million hours of pro Janna coaching on youtube if people want to be coached?

Stop talking for sure dude, lol.

Telephone BoothOct 29, 20161 votes

I never snap on people for advice, but it is quite annoying when something bad happens and they tell me what I should have done. 100% of the time, I already thought of that, and wished I had done what the advice was, but I just messed up. She may have thought damn I shouldn't have spammed so much and wasted all my mana... then you appear in chat with "save mana for shield" and she thinks no shit. Idk why she'd get so triggered and argue about it, but I do understand the frustration she had.