Is this considered toxic behaviour?

Abandon·10/28/2016, 11:43:47 AM·1 votes·883 views

So I've got off playing a normal everyday game of league of legends, we lost but that's no big deal. The dilemma I have is that I apparently offended one of the players in my team, the support Janna, because I was (in her eyes) arrogant enough to recommend her to save mana for her shield. Now I know she's a better Janna player than me and during our last fights near our nexus when we were arguing I even told her that she was a better Janna that I ever was but she still proceeded to get extremely 'triggered' and tell me to "don't tell her how to play her champion" repeatedly. After post-game she added me and I listened to what she had to say, she was still triggered so at that point I just blocked her.

Was I in the wrong? What should I do next time I want to give a tip/recommendation to a teammate? Answers would be nice.

19 Comments

Jo0o10/28/2016, 1:20:10 PM2 votes

Hard to say without reading the exchange.

I think a lot of people in your position tend to state things that are either a) obvious mistakes that the offender was already going to try to fix, or b) not actually a mistake, demonstrating your own lack of knowledge of the champ.

A few examples that I've witnessed while playing Bard:

"Why didn't you heal me?" -- Bard isn't a healer, idiot. I HAVE a heal, sure. It gives me a modicum of sustain in lane. But I'm sure as hell not going to out-heal incoming damage the way Soraka, Nami, or Sona are capable of.

"We would have won that fight if you had stunned" -- Yeah, probably. My bad. Bard's stun can be hard to land: it's a short and slow skill shot that only stuns in specific conditions. Feel free to disengage, like I tried to do, when I miss it. Otherwise, I was already planning on trying harder next time, you aren't helping.

"(Literally anything having to do with Bard's ult)" -- Bard's ult has the potential to kill my own entire team. I'm careful and discriminating when I use it. Don't just assume a Bard ult will magically land exactly where it's needed every single time.

In the case of your Janna: You may have had the best intentions. And if the Janna had wasted all her mana on harassing and couldn't shield, she's certainly in the wrong. But if she's been desperately trying to keep you alive with shields and peels, finally ran out of mana, let you die, AND THEN you tell her she should have simply had more mana, then I can totally see why she reacted poorly. It's probably best to just keep it to yourself next time.

ShinkoMinori10/28/2016, 12:14:43 PM2 votes

What should you have done... : Just ch...

Wait a sec you are from OCE lul... you should have just get used to it, OCE is forever toxic.

Adrian Blackbear10/28/2016, 12:30:39 PM1 votes

It depends on how you were saying it to her. The other thing that some people don't realize is that supports get a lot of flack for everything.

The enemy AP mid doing too much damage in team fights? "<insert support champion> where is your locket!?"

Bottom lane gets ganked by enemy jungler? "God this support does nothing to help me"

Your ADC feeds kills 3 times, while you have 0 deaths? "This support sucks!"

So while you are just asking her to save mana for shield, she was more than likely triggered by the fact that you were critiquing her when she probably receives "advice" regularly from other teams.

Kei14310/28/2016, 3:26:34 PM1 votes

Normally, if I recommend something and they instantly get triggered, I just appologise and know not to say anything more to them.

Some people'\s ego are just huge and everything is an attack to them. So, I let it be and focus on the game.

nerak2310/28/2016, 3:29:17 PM1 votes

Without actually seeing the exchange, I can't really give my opinion if what you said was offensive.

Couldn't say it better..I won't place a vote on something I have no evidence of.

Hryna10/28/2016, 6:11:57 PM1 votes

Depends on how you said it.

Morality Coach10/28/2016, 9:31:25 PM1 votes

Why would anyone want coaching from some Oceanic Bronze? You do realize there are 10 million hours of pro Janna coaching on youtube if people want to be coached?

Stop talking for sure dude, lol.

N Pelosi10/28/2016, 11:54:43 AM1 votes

Just don't say anything. You'll find that people in general don't take criticism(constructive or not) well, especially anonymous criticism. Most of the time, they know what they did wrong and someone stating it doesn't help in any way shape or form. In fact, it can tilt them when they would have normally corrected their mistake on their own.

Taking criticism is a learned skill that most folks don't have or care to have. In short, don't try to help unless you are asked.

Telephone Booth10/29/2016, 3:34:10 AM1 votes

I never snap on people for advice, but it is quite annoying when something bad happens and they tell me what I should have done. 100% of the time, I already thought of that, and wished I had done what the advice was, but I just messed up. She may have thought damn I shouldn't have spammed so much and wasted all my mana... then you appear in chat with "save mana for shield" and she thinks no shit. Idk why she'd get so triggered and argue about it, but I do understand the frustration she had.

AeroWaffle10/28/2016, 12:11:42 PM1 votes

Without actually seeing the exchange, I can't really give my opinion if what you said was offensive.

It's very easy to give completely legitimate advice in a rude manner, just as it's easy for some people to get offended by politely given advice.