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Is riot anti-toxicity system ever getting changed?

TheBumek662··1 votes·1,171 views

Hello guys, I've been permbanned over 20 times and currently after 6 2-week bans on my other accounts. (Due to chat toxicity, not to in-game griefing)

All I do is actually carrying about games, and sometimes it happens to me to say shit. It's okay, but it happens to AT LEAST 25% of the community, and I'm pretty sure a huge amount of ACTUALLY ACTIVE accoutnts have been restricted at least once in their life (personal experience with in-game people, who just told me that)

I've been hearing many opinions also from the non-restricted players, that the current system is pointless, as there are were more ways to deal with toxicity than permbanning people. Since I can admit I am being a "toxic player", with the quotes as myself - I find myself toxic in 5% of the games I actually play, and it's not as toxic as most of the people I meet in my games.

My question is - Will the system of permbanning people ever change? Otherwise I see no point of playing this anymore, even though I've played this game since season 2, and until the new system got implemented I had never been banned for toxicity, I was just restricted a couple of times before, but it could be really, really rarely.

I'm taking a break of the game, and I'm hoping the riot's current system will ever change into anything actually fighting against toxicity, as this one isn't really working well. Those really, hardly toxic players will just create new accounts and do the same shit over again.

I tried to "think about myself", but I played a couple of times with never restricted players and got restricted/banned after playing with them - they simply couldn't understand why I was banned.

If you really want to know what would actually help against toxicity in the opinion of the toxic player:

  • Being unable to play ranked games for a specific time (It used to be here before from what I remember)

  • Being completely unable to communicate via chat in-game

  • If feeding or behaving toxic in any other way than talking - being banned for a specific time (For eg. 2 weeks, going up by a week / 2 weeks every single time after a ban) - that'd definitely prevent people from feeding on purpose (I don't int-feed by myself just saying)

  • Being chat-restricted for a long period of time

  • Being banned for a longer period of time after constantly behaving toxic.

I can just say I'm being really sad, since I tried a lot of things since saying just simply sorry after tilting in-game - to trying to restrict myself by some autohotkey scripts.

I'm simply a kind of person who actually cares about winning the game and does everything to make it happen.

I'll keep hoping this system will change someday, so I can start playing again as it's my passion.

If you had never been restricted - you're lucky, I wish I could be as calm as you.

Have a nice day readers.

22 Comments

Mãge12 votes

When the system bans you permanently from the community, it's saying to you "we don't want this type of behavior of this severity in the community at all". It's not saying to you "your behavior is beyond normal limits so we'll just restrict your chat". If you've been banned so many times, it's everyone's way of saying you're part of the top 0.5% most negative and unwanted players in the community. I've had a LOT of bad days, and I've never been chat restricted. Sometimes I feel I should have been chat restricted and I didn't get chat restricted. If you've been restricted that many times and even permanently banned that many times, you should stop playing this game or dramatically change your behavior.

Lime Horse King1 votes

This is the most retarded shit ive read today. You honestly think people who flame or are toxic stop playing because of a perma ban? They make a new account and move on. A perma-chat ban, at least they are less likely to make a new account, and thus, one less flammer. And no fucking way its 0.5% of the community, in the 1500 games ive played of league at least 800 had flammers of some sort in there and maybe 50 with intentional feeders. You just got lucky, honestly, everyone who plays this game seriously gets toxic at some point because they get tilted and salty.

scazzman1 votes

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This is the most retarded shit ive read today. You honestly think people who flame or are toxic stop playing because of a perma ban? They make a new account and move on. A perma-chat ban, at least they are less likely to make a new account, and thus, one less flammer. And no fucking way its 0.5% of the community, in the 1500 games ive played of league at least 800 had flammers of some sort in there and maybe 50 with intentional feeders. You just got lucky, honestly, everyone who plays this game seriously gets toxic at some point because they get tilted and salty.

im under the belief that it's true. but riot is doctoring the numbers.

level 1 accounts inactives people who dont play ranked smurfs

add these in, you might get close to that number. but legit level 30 ranked accounts that number is close to probably 25-30%

Zielmann9 votes

I've been permbanned over 20 times and currently after 6 2-week bans on my other accounts

Will the system of permbanning people ever change? Otherwise I see no point of playing this anymore

You finally get it. Riot doesn't want you playing if you believe that caring about the game means you behave in ways that get you banned.

elduris6 votes

To answer your question, maybe? You can never predict the future and, while the Instant Feedback system seems to be good for now, things may change in the future. Riot's always looking to level up their stuff, so I wouldn't be too surprised if it did change at some point. But for now, there are no known plans to change.

A lot of your suggestions are good, but they seem to be going the route of least responsibility. At some point, you need to own up to your actions and take responsibility for them. You also need to learn how to properly communicate with other people to play this game, which is why a lot of "permanent chat restriction" suggestions wouldn't help solve the problem.

You're not lucky if you have never been punished. You're just capable of not losing your cool at 9 other strangers in a video game.

GankRiven2 votes

great answer. i agree baby doll <3 keep up the amazing responses!

scazzman3 votes

what riot needs to do to fix toxicity

  • bite the bullet and start IP banning anyone who has more than 3 permabanned accounts
  • eliminate hidden report weight or at least explain in detail how it works
  • allow players prone to raging the option to mute themselves to avoid punishment
  • put less emphasis on "negative chat" and more emphasis on trolling, feeding, and negative gameplay
Sarutobi6 votes

{quoted}

what riot needs to do to fix toxicity

  • bite the bullet and start IP banning anyone who has more than 3 permabanned accounts
  • eliminate hidden report weight or at least explain in detail how it works
  • allow players prone to raging the option to mute themselves to avoid punishment
  • put less emphasis on "negative chat" and more emphasis on trolling, feeding, and negative gameplay

IP banning will never work as you'll be banning innocent players. There are things like Internet cafes, schools/university, as well as shared homes. Basically what it are saying when dealing with IP bans,in the case of typer1 from what I understand that dude was in school or a dorm. And by that logic every single person sharing that internet at the school should be ban for one persons mistake!

Your second point I think is great.it would help get an understanding for people who report, as well as people who abuse it.

I highly doubt they'll do anything to give people a way to permachat ban themself.this game is about communication. If you cannot handle something that simple please just find another game.

Your last point implies they don't do anything to trolls/feeders. As far as I know they are treated harsher than people who are toxic in chat. As with toxic behavior you have about 3 chances.whereas feeders and trolls only have one!

TrulyBland7 votes
  1. IP bans are not reliable and have collateral damage. There's no bullet to bite when it only solves a tiny fraction of the problem and creates new (and significantly larger) problems.
  2. So Riot "needs" to eliminate report weight, but you don't even know in detail how it works? Can you elaborate please how you know then, that this is what Riot "needs" to do to fix toxicity?
  3. There are enough possiblities to self-mute as long as you put in just a tiny bit of effort. If people don't want to do that, there is no difference between them and the people Riot essentially permanently chat restricted, which just ended up venting their anger and frustration by feeding and trolling... things you yourself want to put an emphasis on.
  4. This is basically the same point as #2, in that you are making that suggestion purely on your assumption of Riot's current focus. Just compare the rate of manual reviews on chat related behaviour to that of feeding and trolling. You are trying to shift the focus from something that no longer is the focus of manual work.

Sorry, but you are oversimplifying the solutions to this problem. None of your suggestions would actually fix toxicity.

Edit: Just an example to make clear how easy it is to circumvent IP bans: Some people, like me don't even have to actively try. Even if I were IP banned without knowing, and I also didn't have any knowledge of networking, I would still "circumvent" that ban within 24 hours. I could speed things up, of course, but without doing anything myself, I still get a new IP whenever my router does its 24h-reconnect.

Astôlfo3 votes

Why would it be changed? It's working just fine. No one wants you in this community.

S0kaX1 votes

This^^^

Shadòw2 votes

next tyler1?

jpguy9022 votes

If you're taking time to flame in chat, then that means less time spent actually playing the game. This is why your argument is flawed. Flaming does not increase your chances of winning. Not only does it distract you from playing the game but it makes your team focus more on you as opposed to trying to win the game.

Just try and keep in mind, it is just a video game for most us, including me. We are not professionals, this is a recreational activity.

TheBumek6621 votes

Well you might treat me as the usual flamer you get matched with, but if you ever played with me you'd change your mind I suppose.

Kei1431 votes

there may be new tools available later when the new client is released.

but for now, we are in the dark.

Zezockary1 votes

To TheBumek662's points:

-Being unable to play ranked games for a specific time (It used to be here before from what I remember)

A large portion of the community doesn't play ranked games and also Riot currently does not differentiate normal games from ranked games as far as punishments go

-Being completely unable to communicate via chat in-game

They tried rapidly increasing chat bans, they led to people acting out their toxicity by griefing instead of through chat.

-If feeding or behaving toxic in any other way than talking - being banned for a specific time (For eg. 2 weeks, going up by a week / 2 weeks every single time after a ban) - that'd definitely prevent people from feeding on purpose (I don't int-feed by myself just saying)

I mean, there is a two week ban right now that people get escalated to after getting caught once, and people still get perma banned after.

-Being chat-restricted for a long period of time

Read above.

-Being banned for a longer period of time after constantly behaving toxic.

Again, they would come back and be toxic just like they currently do.

To scazzman's points:

-bite the bullet and start IP banning anyone who has more than 3 permabanned accounts

IP bans are highly ineffective, as they can be circumvented by most people by unplugging your modem and plugging it back in, and has the potential to impact a large number of innocents, like if they ended up banning a collage campus's IP.

-Eliminate hidden report weight or at least explain in detail how it works

If you report people that are reviewed and not punished, your weight goes down. If your weight goes down your reports do not matter as much in the eyes of the system.

-allow players prone to raging the option to mute themselves to avoid punishment

/mute all is a thing. You can also unbind your enter key.

-put less emphasis on "negative chat" and more emphasis on trolling, feeding, and negative gameplay

A lot more people get banned for that stuff than you realize, they just don't post about it as much on the forums because it isn't as arguable as your opinion is and you can't really say the context made you do it as easily. Not that either of those are valid points, it is just harder to argue that they are.

Sorry if my post is ugly and ill formatted, I don't really make posts this large often.

scazzman1 votes

{quoted}

If you report people that are reviewed and not punished, your weight goes down. If your weight goes down your reports do not matter as much in the eyes of the system.

what they DON'T tell you

  • what makes a report "false"
  • can report weight be regained after it is lost by reporting validly
  • is it simply numbers based? "the more you report the more it goes down", valid or not
Zezockary1 votes

{quoted}

what they DON'T tell you

  • what makes a report "false"
  • can report weight be regained after it is lost by reporting validly
  • is it simply numbers based? "the more you report the more it goes down", valid or not

What I can assume using my amazing powers of educated guessing:

*false would mean you reported them, it triggered a review, and it came back as a false positive *most likely *it is probably only counting things actually reviewed and lowers/raises based on accuracy

Could be wrong, but that is what makes the most sense, and I haven't heard anything about this syatem that hasn't made sense to me yet.

TrulyBland1 votes

Actually the answers to two of these were given already, allthough I will admit it's been quite some time ago. Too long ago, in fact, to find the corresponding redposts... so likewise I can't guarantee it's the same way now, allthough I see little reason to change it.

Report weight can be regained. The number of reports you send has no direct effect.

Now... what exactly makes a report false is a trickier question. Back when (manual) Tribunal was active, I could have answered that question, but now I can only speculate.

President Swa1n1 votes

I've been playing frequently since last September, haven't been restricted

Primaquarius1 votes

Nope

Bye Felicia

Bettnachleger1 votes

{quoted}

  • If feeding or behaving toxic in any other way than talking - being banned for a specific time (For eg. 2 weeks, going up by a week / 2 weeks every single time after a ban) - that&#039;d definitely prevent people from feeding on purpose (I don&#039;t int-feed by myself just saying)

Like a perma (or 20 in your case) ban should prevent people from being toxic in chat on their smurfs because of the threat of another perma ban? U are the best example, that toxic player don't give a shit.

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