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Is riot anti-toxicity system ever getting changed?

TheBumek662·10/12/2016, 3:22:02 PM·1 votes·1,171 views

Hello guys, I've been permbanned over 20 times and currently after 6 2-week bans on my other accounts. (Due to chat toxicity, not to in-game griefing)

All I do is actually carrying about games, and sometimes it happens to me to say shit. It's okay, but it happens to AT LEAST 25% of the community, and I'm pretty sure a huge amount of ACTUALLY ACTIVE accoutnts have been restricted at least once in their life (personal experience with in-game people, who just told me that)

I've been hearing many opinions also from the non-restricted players, that the current system is pointless, as there are were more ways to deal with toxicity than permbanning people. Since I can admit I am being a "toxic player", with the quotes as myself - I find myself toxic in 5% of the games I actually play, and it's not as toxic as most of the people I meet in my games.

My question is - Will the system of permbanning people ever change? Otherwise I see no point of playing this anymore, even though I've played this game since season 2, and until the new system got implemented I had never been banned for toxicity, I was just restricted a couple of times before, but it could be really, really rarely.

I'm taking a break of the game, and I'm hoping the riot's current system will ever change into anything actually fighting against toxicity, as this one isn't really working well. Those really, hardly toxic players will just create new accounts and do the same shit over again.

I tried to "think about myself", but I played a couple of times with never restricted players and got restricted/banned after playing with them - they simply couldn't understand why I was banned.

If you really want to know what would actually help against toxicity in the opinion of the toxic player:

  • Being unable to play ranked games for a specific time (It used to be here before from what I remember)

  • Being completely unable to communicate via chat in-game

  • If feeding or behaving toxic in any other way than talking - being banned for a specific time (For eg. 2 weeks, going up by a week / 2 weeks every single time after a ban) - that'd definitely prevent people from feeding on purpose (I don't int-feed by myself just saying)

  • Being chat-restricted for a long period of time

  • Being banned for a longer period of time after constantly behaving toxic.

I can just say I'm being really sad, since I tried a lot of things since saying just simply sorry after tilting in-game - to trying to restrict myself by some autohotkey scripts.

I'm simply a kind of person who actually cares about winning the game and does everything to make it happen.

I'll keep hoping this system will change someday, so I can start playing again as it's my passion.

If you had never been restricted - you're lucky, I wish I could be as calm as you.

Have a nice day readers.

22 Comments

Mãge10/12/2016, 3:33:33 PM12 votes

When the system bans you permanently from the community, it's saying to you "we don't want this type of behavior of this severity in the community at all". It's not saying to you "your behavior is beyond normal limits so we'll just restrict your chat". If you've been banned so many times, it's everyone's way of saying you're part of the top 0.5% most negative and unwanted players in the community. I've had a LOT of bad days, and I've never been chat restricted. Sometimes I feel I should have been chat restricted and I didn't get chat restricted. If you've been restricted that many times and even permanently banned that many times, you should stop playing this game or dramatically change your behavior.

Zielmann10/12/2016, 3:33:08 PM9 votes

I've been permbanned over 20 times and currently after 6 2-week bans on my other accounts

Will the system of permbanning people ever change? Otherwise I see no point of playing this anymore

You finally get it. Riot doesn't want you playing if you believe that caring about the game means you behave in ways that get you banned.

elduris10/12/2016, 3:30:19 PM6 votes

To answer your question, maybe? You can never predict the future and, while the Instant Feedback system seems to be good for now, things may change in the future. Riot's always looking to level up their stuff, so I wouldn't be too surprised if it did change at some point. But for now, there are no known plans to change.

A lot of your suggestions are good, but they seem to be going the route of least responsibility. At some point, you need to own up to your actions and take responsibility for them. You also need to learn how to properly communicate with other people to play this game, which is why a lot of "permanent chat restriction" suggestions wouldn't help solve the problem.

You're not lucky if you have never been punished. You're just capable of not losing your cool at 9 other strangers in a video game.

Astôlfo10/12/2016, 3:42:47 PM3 votes

Why would it be changed? It's working just fine. No one wants you in this community.

scazzman10/12/2016, 3:38:03 PM3 votes

what riot needs to do to fix toxicity

  • bite the bullet and start IP banning anyone who has more than 3 permabanned accounts
  • eliminate hidden report weight or at least explain in detail how it works
  • allow players prone to raging the option to mute themselves to avoid punishment
  • put less emphasis on "negative chat" and more emphasis on trolling, feeding, and negative gameplay
jpguy90210/12/2016, 3:53:08 PM2 votes

If you're taking time to flame in chat, then that means less time spent actually playing the game. This is why your argument is flawed. Flaming does not increase your chances of winning. Not only does it distract you from playing the game but it makes your team focus more on you as opposed to trying to win the game.

Just try and keep in mind, it is just a video game for most us, including me. We are not professionals, this is a recreational activity.

Shadòw10/12/2016, 3:30:27 PM2 votes

next tyler1?

Kei14310/12/2016, 3:56:59 PM1 votes

there may be new tools available later when the new client is released.

but for now, we are in the dark.

Zezockary10/12/2016, 4:32:49 PM1 votes

To TheBumek662's points:

-Being unable to play ranked games for a specific time (It used to be here before from what I remember)

A large portion of the community doesn't play ranked games and also Riot currently does not differentiate normal games from ranked games as far as punishments go

-Being completely unable to communicate via chat in-game

They tried rapidly increasing chat bans, they led to people acting out their toxicity by griefing instead of through chat.

-If feeding or behaving toxic in any other way than talking - being banned for a specific time (For eg. 2 weeks, going up by a week / 2 weeks every single time after a ban) - that'd definitely prevent people from feeding on purpose (I don't int-feed by myself just saying)

I mean, there is a two week ban right now that people get escalated to after getting caught once, and people still get perma banned after.

-Being chat-restricted for a long period of time

Read above.

-Being banned for a longer period of time after constantly behaving toxic.

Again, they would come back and be toxic just like they currently do.

To scazzman's points:

-bite the bullet and start IP banning anyone who has more than 3 permabanned accounts

IP bans are highly ineffective, as they can be circumvented by most people by unplugging your modem and plugging it back in, and has the potential to impact a large number of innocents, like if they ended up banning a collage campus's IP.

-Eliminate hidden report weight or at least explain in detail how it works

If you report people that are reviewed and not punished, your weight goes down. If your weight goes down your reports do not matter as much in the eyes of the system.

-allow players prone to raging the option to mute themselves to avoid punishment

/mute all is a thing. You can also unbind your enter key.

-put less emphasis on "negative chat" and more emphasis on trolling, feeding, and negative gameplay

A lot more people get banned for that stuff than you realize, they just don't post about it as much on the forums because it isn't as arguable as your opinion is and you can't really say the context made you do it as easily. Not that either of those are valid points, it is just harder to argue that they are.

Sorry if my post is ugly and ill formatted, I don't really make posts this large often.

President Swa1n10/13/2016, 1:23:29 AM1 votes

I've been playing frequently since last September, haven't been restricted

Primaquarius10/13/2016, 10:13:26 PM1 votes

Nope

Bye Felicia

Bettnachleger10/14/2016, 10:39:59 AM1 votes

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  • If feeding or behaving toxic in any other way than talking - being banned for a specific time (For eg. 2 weeks, going up by a week / 2 weeks every single time after a ban) - that'd definitely prevent people from feeding on purpose (I don't int-feed by myself just saying)

Like a perma (or 20 in your case) ban should prevent people from being toxic in chat on their smurfs because of the threat of another perma ban? U are the best example, that toxic player don't give a shit.