A way to deal with permanent suspensions

vallieus·2/19/2019, 6:38:14 AM·2 votes·2,574 views

Basically, permanent suspensions aren't good for anyone. riot loses a customer who will never spend money on the game again, and its not stopping the player from being toxic. the complete frustration of your team feeding over and over on a game you know you should win can and will drive players to be toxic. So I have a proposal for riot, if you want to keep a customer and give players a chance to prove themselves that they will stop being toxic try this. Permanently suspend the account, if they want to opportunity to get their account back, they have to start a new account and get that account up to honour level 5. If they can succeed in getting the account to honour level 5, which only the kindest of league players can achieve, then they have access to their account again. If they receive another suspension again, then the opportunity is lost and they lose their account for the final time.

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Voldymort2/19/2019, 7:20:09 AM8 votes

riot loses a customer who will never spend money on the game again, and its not stopping the player from being toxic.

they are both aware and fine with this outcome because when they permaban, what they are actually saying is "we don't want you in our game. go away!"

they have to start a new account and get that account up to honour level 5

honor 5 doesn't corelate with "i'm not toxic". we get people posting in here about punishments while on honor 5 all the time

Hotarµ2/19/2019, 7:15:16 AM5 votes

riot loses a customer who will never spend money on the game again, and its not stopping the player from being toxic.

If you've been permanently suspended, Riot doesn't want you to be a part of the community. Can you restart and reform? Of course, and they'll welcome you back with open arms.

over on a game you know you should win can and will drive players to be toxic.

And you should be able to control yourself. Considering that an average level of flame will only net you a 10 game chat restriction on your first offense, any sensible player will refrain from flaming beyond that point because they realize it's not considered acceptable behavior and they'll lose their account if they keep doing it.

Imperial Pandaa2/19/2019, 7:30:42 PM4 votes

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How does this make sense? It's the opposite of this. Removing toxic people from the community means more people enjoy their gaming experience, because they aren't exposed to harassment. When people are perma-banned, they are removed from the community. We don't want them making new accounts. We don't want their money.

Jo0o2/19/2019, 2:02:52 PM2 votes

Similar ideas have been tried before, and have failed. There’s currently an experiment going on right now with a similar scope, but no good news has come out of it.

Tele II2/20/2019, 1:00:57 AM2 votes

All you need to get honor 5 is enough games without being punished. You dont really even need to get honored to hit honor 5. And you seem to be under the assumption that people only honor nice players or something. People honor for all kinds of reasons, so tying honor to qualifying to get your account back seems too easy and anyone could do it and then when they get their account back just turn toxic again. Riot already gave them chances, and they probably dont want to give them easy opportunities to keep playing and being toxic.

The entire reason they punish toxicity is because of profit. Banning toxic players is good for business to them, because many players quit league due to toxicity. I've quit ranked (not the game, just ranked) multiple times because I just wasnt enjoying all the salty gamer cringe in every game. So i can see how some people would just quit league altogether. Riot has data to back their decisions, and being a business operating under capitalism, I'm sure theyve found the cost of losing toxic players is less than the cost of losing players due to toxicity. Otherwise, they wouldnt do this. Its all about money, bottom line. Of course it is. And this is what makes them the most money.

I personally have doubts about your ideas. But I've never ran a business so I cant say for sure whether it would be better for them or not.

ModPrandine2/19/2019, 11:01:21 PM2 votes

To quote Kei143:

When Riot permabans someone, their philosophy is "the chances of this guy reforming isn't a whole lot, we'd rather not have him in the game". Thus in their eyes, they have already written off the toxic player as a paying client.

From a business standpoint, do they want to remove the toxic guy who has spent $500 but is causing a negative environment for 4-9 other players in every game? Those non-toxics are also spending $500 and probably will spend more, promote the game more when they are enjoying the game AND they won't cause a negative environment.

I personally think it is a fine argument to protect the ones that are paying money and aren't toxic rather than protecting the ones that may pay the same amount but are toxic.

vallieus2/19/2019, 7:02:35 AM1 votes

Please upvote, I want riot to see this.