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My latest suspension and my confusion on why I should even bother to be nicer

Great Muta··2 votes·960 views

So, had my issues with toxicity last season. Asked riot if they could chat restrict me, they refused and there's no way to disable chat, because despite being the 5% of most toxic players in the game, it's still important that I have chat for some reason. I'm so toxic that I need to be able to chat. Go figure.

This season comes, I use DQ only and beat restriction. As usual, through blind pick games, I get in trouble again after a night of 3 troll supports in a row in blind pick. Took my 5-10 chat restriction as usual then I beat it. Again, more trolls. No loot even after restriction is completed because it is important to punish people post-humourously. A 25 game restriction. I beat it in 3 days, but the loot restriction goes on and on endlessly. I actually tried hard to be really nice, but people would do stuff that would cost me games and I let people have it.

Again, I have 5-10 games of being pretty decent by my standards. Could have been nicer sure, but I think I did okay for my standards.

Today, I had a really bad game. 0-6. We had a Sivir/Thresh combo that was so cancer. I'd go for one, the other would heal and they'd just keep repeating it. After 0-5, enemy Zed MIA's and nails me with no call made. I ask why no call was made. I just say fuck it, I'm done. I've lost and I'm just getting mad. Yasuo then of course gets on me, saying "I'm watching your lane, you suck". I ask him why he's watching me instead of playing and there's no answer. The whole team joins in to rip me apart and I just start farming until I die again and again.

At this point: The team won't quit, so the game can't end.

I'm already guaranteed at least 2 reports.

I don't want to play. 2 people on the team are pandering for reports, so why would I want to help them? The other team joins in on it as well, so I have at least 4 people abusing me.

I can't leave or I get leaverbustered.

If I feed, which I ended up doing, I'd get reported for feeding.

If I play, I help the people who are trying to get me suspended.

Why would I want to play?

The game ends, I say hey, time to move on, and I get suspended in champ select for the next game. I then immediately log into my other account and can play and still get loot. My chat log for the suspension only contains chat from this game, no others.

So my account suspension ends in 2 weeks. Here is the situation. I have 2 other accounts. I've hit my ranked goal. I have no chance of getting loot this season. I am uncomfortable with the current meta and the champ I really like, Shyvanna, is an absolute mess. In fact, it depresses me that she isn't as good anymore.

Why should I bother being nicer? One bad game means no loot. Ending restrictions still means no loot. I don't think the game is fun and even though I hit my goal ranked wise, I'm really not very good at the game. I don't think I can get a border at this point, which is all I really wanted. There is no reason for me to be nicer. One game is all it takes and anytime I've ever said or did something nice for someone, I've immediately regretted it.

And to anyone who says , "tot getting loot isn't a punishment it's just not getting a reward" - To me it is. I did my time and then I had to do more time.

65 Comments

elduris8 votes

[{quoted}](name=Great Muta,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=2kRQxQ52,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-08-17T17:02:13.443+0000) Why should I bother being nicer?

Because hopefully you are a reasonable human being that understands being rude to people gets you nowhere. If you have a problem with a person you're playing with, there's absolutely no reason to go in chat and berate them. Not everyone is going to have your same mindset or way of thinking and the sooner you understand that, the better.

If you don't want to play the game anymore, that's totally your choice. But don't drag other people down because you aren't having a good time.

Great Muta1 votes

I'm extremely nice in real life. My job requires me to be nice to people all day. Truthfully, I do not like people and I keep to myself.

I also used to play a ton of pick up basketball. If people harassed me, I'd quit. I walked right off the court in the middle of a game before due to abuse. If someone would try to score for the other team(which never happened), I would just quit. If the game was going to be 4 on 5, someone would get a handicap, someone would sit out or we just wouldn't play.

I like to play League, but if I don't want to finish a game for whatever reason, I'm stuck or I'm getting punished. It just builds to frustration and leads to more reports.

leaugesbane2 votes

{quoted}

Because hopefully you are a reasonable human being that understands being rude to people gets you nowhere. If you have a problem with a person you're playing with, there's absolutely no reason to go in chat and berate them. Not everyone is going to have your same mindset or way of thinking and the sooner you understand that, the better.

If you don't want to play the game anymore, that's totally your choice. But don't drag other people down because you aren't having a good time.

if you where a reasonable human being you would also understand that people don't change tell they are forced to. hints why people get so frustrated with riots approach. its one thing to punish toxicity and another to force others to accept a horrid game because they cant just quit it.

if riot would make leaving okay and tie it to leave buster properly in a way that didn't appear tyrannical as they usually do they would fish quite a few weeds out of the player base because ideally no one should be queing with out the intention to finish the game and the trolls would habitually leave at times that would regularly be considered bad

it wont happen because they would have to adjusts match making though

Great Muta1 votes

I think CSGO does a better job with their system. The punishments for leaving are something like 30 minutes, 2 hours, 1-2 days and 1 week. I would take a 30 minute one time only leaverbuster to get out of a bad game. Current leaverbuster is too strong and takes too long to beat.

Jo0o2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Great Muta,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=2kRQxQ52,comment-id=000200010000,timestamp=2016-08-17T17:44:49.640+0000)

I think CSGO does a better job with their system. The punishments for leaving are something like 30 minutes, 2 hours, 1-2 days and 1 week. I would take a 30 minute one time only leaverbuster to get out of a bad game. Current leaverbuster is too strong and takes too long to beat.

That's an entirely different game. FPS games are quick, require less interaction with teammates, place a bigger emphasis on skill than strategy, etc. It's also typically much more realistic to win a man down in an FPS than in a MOBA.

Leaverbuster is strong because, if you leave, you have almost certainly condemned your team to lose.

Jo0o5 votes

I don't get the central question you've posed. Why bother being nicer? Because, if you were, you wouldn't be punished so much. Was that not obvious?

It's baffling to me that you can acknowledge that you have a "problem with toxicity", yet continue to engage in it. This is a VIDEO GAME. You don't need to take it upon yourself to punish others for their failure to perform to your standards, and if somebody else is giving you a hard time, you just need to ignore/mute them.

Riot shouldn't need to preemptively chat restrict you for you to figure out how to behave. Do you scream at people ahead of you in line at Starbucks when they take too long to order? Do you follow folks for miles on the highway while honking when they drive too slowly or cut you off?

A big part of maturity in life and in League is recognizing what matters and what doesn't, and letting the latter go. You presented us with a fairly long post detailing your thought process during a bad game, but NONE OF IT REALLY MATTERS. You had a bad game. You were going to lose. That's going to account for, on average, 50% of your experience in this game. You needed to accept that and move on. You failed to do so, and now are punished. Try handling your frustrations differently next time.

Great Muta1 votes

I've beaten restriction. But I still get no loot. No one knows how many games you need to get loot again, so there's no goal or timeframe for me to say "hey, If I'm nice, in ______ games, I'll get loot again". And the only thing I really wanted from this season was a border and I don't even know if I can get that now. Next season, due to my MMR being at B1 but my rank being at S5, I'm guaranteed to start out lower than Silver, which also means no border.

The problem with muting is that it ends when the game ends. All mutes are lifted is post-game chat. No other game I play does this. So even if I mute everyone, Round 2 starts in post-game. And I don't leave champ select early because I want to see the stats and give reports out.

Real life situations are much easier than League. I used to play pick-up basketball. If my team harassed me? I left. If the game would have to be 4 on 5? We either gave a handicap, someone sat out or we didn't play. If someone scored for the other team? This never happened, but we would have quit. If someone really sucked? We just kind of dealt with it and the game would usually end due to that person being bad. I also probably wouldn't play with them anymore.

I don't go to Starbucks, but I wouldn't go anywhere if I didn't want something. At least I'd have the free will to leave if I didn't want to deal with it. If people are driving too slow? I usually honk, get around them or go a different way. League would have me following them as they go in circles with a report for every honk.

redniwediS3 votes

If you do not naturally understand why you should be nice to other people there are no amount of words that can explain it to you. I'm not saying there are no words that cannot convince you to do it, I'm saying you won't be able to understand it. It's not a problem with you or anything, it's just that we would only be able to show you instances where being nice helps you out, and you would be able to shoot them down with other examples every single time. You've made up your mind already, and until you change that there's no person in the world that can make you understand.

If you want to understand you're going to have to do some thinking on your own.

Great Muta1 votes

My job requires me being nice to people all day and I do a damn good job of it.

But this is League, not real life.

In real life, if someone is harassing me, I can leave. If someone is harassing me in League, even if I mute them, I'm getting a report. Reports are free. I report anyone who says even one negative thing to me. There's no cost or reason not to. I'll even report the whole team for bad experiences because it's better to get the 1:1 on reports than missing someone. In real life, if someone is scoring for the other team, I'll stop playing. In League, I have to watch while that person blows my game. When I play ball at the gym, if there's not an even amount of players, the game ends. In League, the game continues.

I've said it a lot of times and I'll say it again - the minute you Q up, you are in a virtual jail until the game ends. Any escape or way to stop just means more punishment.

redniwediS4 votes

Why are you nice to people during your job? Is it only because it's your job to be nice?

League is not real life, but it is full of real people. Never forget that.

Great Muta1 votes

I talk to no less than 60 people a day at my job. Yes, it's my job to be nice, no, I don't work at Mcdonalds. But the difference is in real life, I can leave a bad situation or make it end quicker. I'm stuck in a League game and the unhappiness/frustration keeps building until its over and then usually continues on after.

redniwediS2 votes

You choose to get yourself "stuck" in a League game. You choose to not mute people at the start.

Regardless of the setting you're dealing with real people. Real people who live their own lives, deal with their own stresses, and escape the world in their own ways. Your main post wasn't about you being unable to leave a game in progress. That's the main argument you're using, not the main question you were asking.

I'm answering that question. If you want someone to argue with you about how League deals with terrible people find someone else. I made all my points already, and I'm not letting myself get dragged into this clearly bad discussion.

Great Muta2 votes

Muting ends at post-game chat, which is the problem. I want to mute people but there is no point because the mute will end. No other game does this. Every other game I play has permanent mutes. League has to change this. It is not my problem that people can't remember to unmute their friends.

If there was an option to leave the game and take a penalty from 30 minutes to 24 hours, I would have happily done it. CSGO has a 30 min - 2 hour - 1 day system and I leave if a game gets too stressful there. LOL's Leaverbuster is too strong. CSGO's mutes also are permanent, not temporary.

redniwediS2 votes

The truth really doesn't care what you believe mate. They are real people, just like you.

Great Muta2 votes

Real people don't feed 20 times for no reason or pull some of the shit they pull here and if they do, I CAN LEAVE WITHOUT PUNISHMENT. People with mental issues maybe.

redniwediS2 votes

People with mental issues are people. Why even reply to me if you're not going to even try to see that people are people, regardless of the extra details you keep wanting to add in?

Excluding the occasional bot you face real people in your games. Real people just like you and me.

Then again I should have left this conversation a few replies ago. It's no wonder you don't understand why it's better to be nice when you can't even understand that your games are filled with other players. What exactly do you think they are, if not for real live human beings? Aliens? Advanced artificial intelligence?

Face the facts buddy, these people who ruin your games are just like you. They made the same choice of whether to be nice to others as you have. You are that person to someone else, and that should honestly be a point of shame for you.

Great Muta2 votes

I don't know what these people are, if they are people. Don't ask me.

Sorry, but I'm not going to do the passive-aggressive "I'm better than you" flaming stuff that people in forum like to pull. You can save the Dr. Lyte speeches for someone else.

redniwediS2 votes

"I'm better than you" speeches? Read into what I'm typing all you like, but I'm writing my words at face value. You and I are both people. One is not intrinsically better than the other.

Please take the time to think on what you just said. You just said you don't know what these players are. That is what you need to be taking the time to understand.

They are people. Think on it. No amount of replying to me will help you if you don't take the time to think.

Great Muta2 votes

Later Lyte.

redniwediS2 votes

{quoted}

They are people.

It's not that hard to understand. All you have to do is try.

SmokedAlmonds4 votes

That is what you sign up for in a team game. There are 10 people in a game, not just you. You don't get to unilaterally make decisions for everyone. But that is what you want.

You doubt you would even actually want what you are asking for. If you were allowed to leave in those situations everyone would have to be allowed to leave for those kinds of things and you would never get to play the game.

I'm not really sure what to say to you TBH. Between your description of how you act and your contempt for seemingly everyone. All I am left doing is wondering why you choose to play a game that requires close interaction with others.

Great Muta1 votes

Basketball is a team game too. And people can leave it when it gets bad.

CSGO has a great leaver system. It's 30 min - 2 hours - 1 day - 7 days. This is a great system. It punishes consistent leavers and doesn't punish people who have one off's so hard.

League was a different game before DQ and Lyte got into power. I used to only play this because I had no other games because I didn't have money. Now I play it because I like the champs and recently, I wanted to get loot.

Jo0o4 votes

[{quoted}](name=Great Muta,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=2kRQxQ52,comment-id=000100000000000000010000,timestamp=2016-08-17T17:51:48.566+0000)

Basketball is a team game too. And people can leave it when it gets bad.

CSGO has a great leaver system. It's 30 min - 2 hours - 1 day - 7 days. This is a great system. It punishes consistent leavers and doesn't punish people who have one off's so hard.

League was a different game before DQ and Lyte got into power. I used to only play this because I had no other games because I didn't have money. Now I play it because I like the champs and recently, I wanted to get loot.

You'd really leave a basketball game? That's nine people you just ruined the game for.

This seems like a waste of our time to explain to you. You clearly have fundamental gaps in your understanding of personal responsibility, decency, and your place within society.

Great Muta2 votes

Yep. I was having a bad game. 2 teammates kept making comments and one finally pushed me too far. I grabbed my bag and left. Why should I put up with it?

I could take your flames, but I'm going to be the better person and not bother. I can leave a post when someone gets nasty. I have to deal with it in League.

Jo0o3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Great Muta,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=2kRQxQ52,comment-id=00010000000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2016-08-17T17:57:20.986+0000)

Yep. I was having a bad game. 2 teammates kept making comments and one finally pushed me too far. I grabbed my bag and left. Why should I put up with it?

I could flame with you, but I'm going to be the better person and not do it.

Believe me, the other seven people blame you for ruining that game way more than they blame the two that "pushed you too far".

Great Muta1 votes

Go take it up with them then Jooo.

Jo0o4 votes

[{quoted}](name=Great Muta,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=2kRQxQ52,comment-id=0001000000000000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-08-17T18:01:03.414+0000)

Go take it up with them then Jooo.

What does that even mean?

That's not my life, that's YOUR life. You're so self-absorbed that you have a history of ruining video games and sports for both your teammates and the other team whenever you feel personally upset about something, and you don't get that that's a problem. And it's pointless for you to convince me that I'm wrong and you're right, because I've literally never had so much as a chat restriction in this game, while you've had multiple punishments.

Life tip for you: Lean how to "Play the game". Sometimes, events proceed in a way that isn't ideal for you. You can either accept that and move on with your life, or take a stand. Taking a stand often feels good in the short term, but if you aren't judicious with WHEN to take stands, you'll basically just mess up your life and piss off people around you for very little gain.

This isn't a time to take a stand. Should the system in League be different? I dunno, maybe. But it isn't, and you won't change it. So you can either accept that and continue playing, or rebel against it and continue getting increasingly escalated punishments. That's kinda up to you.

GankRiven2 votes

this sounds like a really elaborate way of saying "git gud"

Jo0o1 votes

{quoted}

this sounds like a really elaborate way of saying "git gud"

92% of all forum-based conversation are simply elaborate ways of saying "git gud".

TrulyBland2 votes

And if you pull that often enough, people might just stop playing basketball with you. And if it's one person organizing these events, they might just stop inviting you.

This is what's happening with LoL: Riot "organizes" these games, and they don't want to keep hearing people complaining about others leaving the game early, so they just ban these players if it happens too often. To pick up a point you made earlier:

But this is League, not real life.

This is real life. Real players. Real interaction between players. And if your way interacting pisses off too many players: Real consequences.

Great Muta2 votes

My last consistent game of basketball was that game. I'd gotten tired of the "winning only matters" mentality. I took my ball and went home and now everyone has one less person to play with and in a small gym like that, 1 person is a difference maker.

I stopped playing League after my suspension last year too. Overwatch and CSGO are much easier to work with.

This is not real life and there's only consequences in this game, no rewards. You don't get anything for being nice to people.

And I don't believe a lot of these people in this game or this thread are anything other than human forms of fecal matter.

TrulyBland2 votes

What's not real about it? Please elaborate.

Great Muta1 votes

I can take my ball and go home if the game stops being fun. I have to sit through it or take punishment for not wanting to be frustrated for 40 minutes in League.

TrulyBland2 votes

You don't. You can leave, and suffer the consequences. I also fail to see how that makes anything less real. If anything, total lack of consequences would be less like "real-life".

TrulyBland3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Great Muta,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=2kRQxQ52,comment-id=00010000000000000001000000000000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-08-17T19:00:43.148+0000)

Later

Well, that clears things up. This isn't about flamers. This isn't about trash-talking. You simply like to quit when things aren't going your way, or when people tell you things you don't want to hear.

Great tactic! You won't really have a lot of fun in life... or friends. But at least you'll never have to admit you're wrong. I hope for your sake that's worth it.

Jo0o1 votes

{quoted}

Well, that clears things up. This isn't about flamers. This isn't about trash-talking. You simply like to quit when things aren't going your way, or when people tell you things you don't want to hear.

Great tactic! You won't really have a lot of fun in life... or friends. But at least you'll never have to admit you're wrong. I hope for your sake that's worth it.

Make America great again?

Great Muta2 votes

Trump 2016

GankRiven2 votes

no league of legends is not real life. someone running into your house with a gun in their hand while you are playing league is real life. the interaction may be real between real people but you're trying to justify the toxicity that players like great muta have to deal with.

TrulyBland1 votes

I'm not. I'm trying to justify the fact that his actions, regardless of other peoples' actions, have consequences that are pretty much exactly like in "real life". In fact, his "real life" scenario would also very likely result in people no longer wanting to play with him if he did it often enough, despite the toxicity he was facing.

And I have yet to see anybody point out what exactly isn't "real" about playing League of Legends (except, of course, for the same things that aren't "real" when you play a face-to-face game of chess with somebody).

GankRiven2 votes

this is the internet, man. there are always other options. are you confusing video games with real life mate?

TrulyBland3 votes

No, I'm not. Just like I'm not confusing the "king" in a game of chess with an actual king. Playing chess with somebody is still a part of real life though. Just like the internet is, btw. So yet again: What is not real about playing League of Legends? You seem to try to wriggle your way out of the question by trying to make it seem obvious that it's not real, but seemingly are not able to point out exactly what isn't real about it.

GankRiven2 votes

you seem really argumentative so im gonna end this convo here. good luck in your games summoner.

SmokedAlmonds3 votes

You shouldn't leave basketball either. Your attitude is just not fitting for any team game. Your actions affect other people in team games and you seem to have 0 regards for the people you play with.

League wasn't significantly different before DQ or lyte. The only thing that changed is the effectiveness of the punishment system. Leaverbuster doesn't punish one off's either. So I'm not sure what your point there is. Those are just scapegoats. Your attitude and behavior are the primary issues here. Not any system or rule.

If you want to get loot then you should put more effort into meeting the 1 condition for being eligible to get it. Which is to avoid punishment. TBH, I'm just going to recommend that you mute everyone and literally never say anything. Becuase it seems you have absolutely no interest in trying to work with your teams

Great Muta2 votes

Leaverbuster does indeed punish one offs. Had to go suddenly the other day in an INTRO BOTS game and got the buster for it.

Even my suspension chat only contained one game.

Loot is disappointing. I bought about $85 worth of hextech/augments and I would have had just as many skins had I just mystery gifted myself. The skins I really want are not being sold in an effort to get people who collect skins to buy them at a later date and I don't think it's worth $300 in crates to get freaking Riot Kayle or Toy Soldier GP.

Look if you want to get into the personal attacks and not discussion, I'm just not going to reply. But unlike League, when I mute you, it's final.

The one good thing out of all of this is that - I'm not buying skins for a suspended account. Riot just cost themselves and saved me $50-$100. Suspend your players and don't cry when they don't give you money.

SmokedAlmonds2 votes

Leaverbuster doesn't punish for individual games. A game has to be the final straw. So ya, a punishment is going to come after a single leave, but it isn't just for that 1 game. The punishment is for all of your leaves. If that game was the only game you ever left and you got a low priority queue then you should submit a support ticket because it was a bug.

I'm not attacking you. I am trying to get you to understand that your behavior is selfish and disrespectful to the people you play with. Until you can figure out a way to change that in yourself you are never going to stop having significant problems in league.

Great Muta2 votes

By the time I would have gotten a respond from Riot, my buster was up anyway, as I cleared it in a day.

The last time I had left was a few weeks prior due to being a in a bad, losing and toxic game and I had to go somewhere.

I had a game earlier in the week where the team conspired to keep the game going as long as possible to punish me so I wouldn't have extra time before work.

GankRiven1 votes

toxic

Randomonium2 votes

Well, I'd hope the threat of your account getting permanently banned would be motivation enough. After a 14 day ban the next punishment you receive is a permanent ban.

If you don't like people in game then why talk to them? Honestly I'd just /mute all at the beginning of the game and play like it's a single player game. Pings are the only communication you need.

Leaving a game should never be tolerated or people would just quit whenever they had a bad landing phase or when they wanted to troll someone. The only way I could see allowing leaves would be to cause the leaving player to receive no IP for the game and still lose LP but the rest of his team would not lose any LP.

leaugesbane1 votes

{quoted}

Well, I'd hope the threat of your account getting permanently banned would be motivation enough. After a 14 day ban the next punishment you receive is a permanent ban.

If you don't like people in game then why talk to them? Honestly I'd just /mute all at the beginning of the game and play like it's a single player game. Pings are the only communication you need.

Leaving a game should never be tolerated or people would just quit whenever they had a bad landing phase or when they wanted to troll someone. The only way I could see allowing leaves would be to cause the leaving player to receive no IP for the game and still lose LP but the rest of his team would not lose any LP.

first game back I had a toxic duo I hope it was pure inexperience but the other team was clearly better

I don't think I can ever agree with you

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