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Why even have a report system anymore?

Trist Supp Main·1/7/2019, 9:09:48 AM·2 votes·2,730 views

I don't see any need for it. The tribunal is gone, everything is completely automated now. Why not treat it like leaver buster where the system scans every player every single match for being AFK, and no reports are required for a punishment to be handed out. Why is verbal misconduct/toxicity/trolling any different? The system should just scan all 10 players after every single match for bannable offenses and punish anyone it deems fit. Why should it need a player triggered report to see if someone is breaking the rules? Are you saying breaking the rules and being toxic is acceptable as long as no players in that match have an issue with it? Why not apply that same logic to leaver buster then and only ban AFK's if a report was filed.

You guys constantly repeat that 1 report has the same value as 9, but I find that hard to believe since any system like that wouldn't need reports in the first place. Saying 1 report has the same value as 9 means that the only thing that matters is whether a player breaks the rules or not, and that the number of people upset enough to report isn't important. Why not just take it one step further then and say nine reports has the same value as one report, which also has the same value as zero reports, and just scan every player every match for misbehavior. There is obviously some weighting on number of reports that a player receives, or at the very least number of games the player is reported in over a short time span whether Riot officially admits it or not. That is the only reason to have reports in the game anymore.

When a player receives a mass amount of reports over a multiple game time span it flags your account as someone who is perceived as toxic by the community and the IFS handles punishments accordingly. Are you guys worried that the system would ban far too many people this way since the IFS is complete bullshit and punishes anything that can be perceived as offensive? What would happen if all 10 people got reported at the end of every single game? You guys constantly regurgitate that context doesn't matter, and that the only thing that matters is your behavior. So lets remove the context of needing at least one player per match reporting you as a prerequisite to have your account punished. At the very least this would expose how terrible of an idea it is to have an automated system handling subjective punishments when half the community gets chat banned on the first day that this were to be implemented.

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zPOOPz1/7/2019, 9:32:47 AM10 votes

Are you saying breaking the rules and being toxic is acceptable as long as no players in that match have an issue with it?

Correct

You guys constantly repeat that 1 report has the same value as 9, but I find that hard to believe since any system like that wouldn't need reports in the first place.

See reason in your own quote above

There is obviously some weighting on number of reports that a player receives, or at the very least number of games the player is reported in over a short time span whether Riot officially admits it or not. That is the only reason to have reports in the game anymore.

Any other sources/proofs other than your "feelings"? The reason to have reports is see your own quote at the top.

When a player receives a mass amount of VALID reports over a multiple game time span it flags your account as someone who is perceived as toxic by the community and the IFS handles punishments accordingly.

I fixed it for ya

Are you guys worried that the system would ban far too many people this way since the IFS is complete bullshit and punishes anything that can be perceived as offensive?

We are not. See fix above.

So lets remove the context of needing at least one player per match reporting you as a prerequisite to have your account punished.

Let's not. See reason in your own quote up top.

At the very least this would expose how terrible of an idea it is to have an automated system handling subjective punishments when half the community gets chat banned on the first day that this were to be implemented.

[citation needed]

Carteeeer1/7/2019, 9:15:59 AM3 votes

no cause then people playing in 5 mans who are joking around with eachother or teams that are joking around with eachother could get flagged for being toxic if it scanned everyone and not just reported players, as for being afk theres no way for an automatic system to be able to consistently tell if someone left on purpose or not, the only way to punish afkers would be for humans to review the games.

EvilDustMan1/7/2019, 2:58:06 PM2 votes

The community decides what is bannable by what they report.

breakordoom4441/7/2019, 1:59:21 PM1 votes

I don't see any need for it. The tribunal is gone, everything is completely automated now.

fun fact, the tribunal was a failure and was often abused! Toxicity can't be detected as easily, sure there are ZT words, but all of them require atleast a flag to get the bots attention

Why not treat it like leaver buster where the system scans every player every single match for being AFK, and no reports are required for a punishment to be handed out. Why is verbal misconduct/toxicity/trolling any different? The system should just scan all 10 players after every single match for bannable offenses and punish anyone it deems fit. Why should it need a player triggered report to see if someone is breaking the rules?

Leavebuster only punishes games that you disconnect from, if you sit inside fountain, you get an actual ban I believe. also, it would be pretty hard for the system to detect N I G G E R and many variations of that, automating the system would improve efficiency, but Player flags are often really descriptive on why a player was banned.

Are you saying breaking the rules and being toxic is acceptable as long as no players in that match have an issue with it? Why not apply that same logic to leaver buster then and only ban AFK's if a report was filed.

Rules are made by people, to use an real life example: If I went into a lobster store, and started... murdering the lobsters, but the Owner just says "keep going don't worry about it" even if I'm breaking the rules, no one has an issue with me doing it. Leave buster detects any disconnects, those are straightforward and don't need deeper investigation, toxicity and flaming need to be automatically/manually reviewed prior to an adminstered punishment.

You guys constantly repeat that 1 report has the same value as 9, but I find that hard to believe since any system like that wouldn't need reports in the first place. Saying 1 report has the same value as 9 means that the only thing that matters is whether a player breaks the rules or not, and that the number of people upset enough to report isn't important. Why not just take it one step further then and say nine reports has the same value as one report, which also has the same value as zero reports, and just scan every player every match for misbehavior. There is obviously some weighting on number of reports that a player receives, or at the very least number of games the player is reported in over a short time span whether Riot officially admits it or not. That is the only reason to have reports in the game anymore.

Once again, its really hard to detect letter by letter stuff, Anagrams and etc. there are tons of things that need to have custom coding for and they are at a point where Riot dosen't have the tech to do it. 9 reports do equal to 1, more reports just gets you more flags.

When a player receives a mass amount of reports over a multiple game time span it flags your account as someone who is perceived as toxic by the community and the IFS handles punishments accordingly. Are you guys worried that the system would ban far too many people this way since the IFS is complete bullshit and punishes anything that can be perceived as offensive?

Becuase, manual review would notice that some of these words, while offensive are not used as an insulting/offensive word, so a bot would lack there. and due to our modern age being filled with SJW, there are alot of things Riot has to add to their "scan" which would indeed, ban too many players.

What would happen if all 10 people got reported at the end of every single game? You guys constantly regurgitate that context doesn't matter, and that the only thing that matters is your behavior. So lets remove the context of needing at least one player per match reporting you as a prerequisite to have your account punished. At the very least this would expose how terrible of an idea it is to have an automated system handling subjective punishments when half the community gets chat banned on the first day that this were to be implemented.

some words can be subjectives when said, but toxicity and flaming have no subjectivity, it dosen't matter what my team did, I called them stupid %%%%s and that ain't right, I called my teammates dogshit, still ain't right. insults are NOT subjective, neither is most of chat. percieve this as you want, but Riots system works very well, it administers bans to obvious flamers and toxic waste spills and gets a human to manually review games when it has confusion. as an additional point, Trolls take longer to punish, becuase Rioters actually need to watch the game.