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Flaws with the system as I see them (I may be missing things)

thechungmeister·12/15/2019, 12:16:19 AM·2 votes·2,169 views

If people are getting banned for using certain racial slurs and homophobic terms then why allow them to say it, like it would be more understandable if chat would detect certain words and not let them go through I just don’t really understand how or why there isn’t something like that even if you take it strictly.

The way they currently enforce reformation to me, I dont think is the best way to reform a player.

Also about indefinite bans, shouldn’t there be some way for a player to reform themselves because 2 week bans don’t solve anything except give them a break and to be honest I don’t think perma bans either because if a player can make a new account then they can just be toxic on there and on there old account they would have some skins and rank and such so they would have a reason to change but if a player receives a permanent ban and they can make a new account they have nothing to loss and would probably still be mad and cause for toxicity knowing that they just made a new account and have nothing on it so they have no punishment if they get banned and just repeat that process. But if a player receives an indefinite ban on an account that they have worked hard for then they will have some sort of motivation to actually reform instead of making a new account. I may be forgetting somethings but I think if league really wants to get rid of toxic players then they should use indefinite bans and/or some other punishment that would allow a player to genuinely change instead of making a new account and such.

Should some permanently banned players be able to return to league? Who of course have been deemed “reformed”

Been recently talking with someone on a ticket and said posting our talk on the boards would be the best idea. And also just had a lot of unanswered questions

Also I heard that it is impossible to get unpermabanned but I heard from friends that someone people after like a long times they ask saying they have changed and gotten unbanned. Also some experiment that riot did unbanning permanently banned players or something idk just some stuff ive read and heard can someone confirm these

Also if anyone can give their opinion on whether or not riot might be doing an unban experiment again or not

16 Comments

Icy Hot Shoto12/15/2019, 2:25:34 AM3 votes

Look, as much as we all hate hate speech, there is physically no way to make it possible to make a filter that will filter them out and make it impossible to be used. Let me make you an example.

Cigarette. C1garette. C1g4rette. Cig4rette. C1g4re77e. C1g4r3tt3. Cigar3tt3. Cigar3773.

That's just 7 ways to avoid the filter right there, and that's not including characters from other languages or characters with accents. While other games may make it look "easy", it's not. Because if the filter doesn't catch it, then every time someone finds a way around it, they have to add it to the filter. And by then they could've already ruined multiple games for people.

rujitra12/15/2019, 1:07:36 AM2 votes

There have been exceedingly rare cases where permanent bans are removed after time. This is almost always due to a shift or clarification in behaviors that result in punishment, or due to successful appeals of the original punishment being in error. There have also been two "unban experiments" Riot has done where they've accepted many appeals for a short time, then followed those players to track them. The first of these experiments failed miserably - with over 95% of players getting re-punished even after meeting the "level 20 challenge" - i.e. they got a new account to Level 20, got their old account back under this program, and on that old account they kept misbehaving.

Unfortunately, there hasn't been any public data regarding the experiment within the last year or so. I suspect, however, that if Riot did notice a difference (i.e. that it was successful), that they would've already been implementing changes to the punishment system based on it.

Another thing Riot has tried before is "permanent chat restriction" - not exactly but virtually the same thing. Before suspensions were implemented in League, players who were punished were just assigned more, and more, and more chat restricted games. It got to the point that some perpetually misbehaving players had hundreds and thousands of games of chat restrictions - and it was obvious they were not changing their behavior because of them. Furthermore, when Riot looked deeper at these people who had tons of chat restricted games, they began to notice that these players were being reported more (and correctly so) for "soft inting" - even though this wasn't a term back then. They would have higher instances of leaving games, of temporary AFKs, of "accidentally" running into enemies dying, and other behavior that is very difficult to confirm as malicious.

This is why Riot doesn't do tons of chat restrictions anymore - not only did they not work to change behavior, but they resulted in a net increase in toxicity in the game as a whole.

Lastly, while Riot's initial and primary goal with punishments is to encourage players to reform, when a player is permanently banned, they've shown they really don't care about reforming. As such, Riot's goal with a permanent ban is not to have the player reform or return - it's that they leave the game. If you consider the fact that each successive punishment has a lower chance of "success" than the last, then there comes a point that the chance the punishment will result in reform is too low to merit more chances to ruin games. This can be seen in the fact that over 50% of people who get a single chat restriction never progress to the next level (a longer one) - but of those who were permanently banned and got another chance (through the two experiments mentioned above) 95% failed (i.e. only 5% actually reformed). Keep in mind that every player who is allowed to keep playing on an account is the potential for more games that they can be toxic in. This is an even bigger problem when you consider the above - players who are unable to be toxic in chat are more likely to be toxic in gameplay - which is much harder to detect and generally can take dozens of games before a pattern emerges that merits punishment.

Any changes or "extra chances" Riot implements have to be applied to everyone - and Riot can't sit there and monitor all the games someone plays after they're given another chance to see if they're misbehaving again - there simply isn't enough staff to do that, nor should Riot have to. Riot has determined that allowing 19 players to ruin more games for the chance that that 1 player may reform (i.e. 5%) is not worth it. I appreciate that this causes some players who will reform to lose their accounts - but unfortunately that 19:1 ratio is just not something that I can get behind allowing back for "one more chance".

JetCracker12/15/2019, 4:27:44 AM2 votes

Chat restriction should only ever apply to Racism, Sexism and Homophobic slurs. I believe that someone shouldn't get banned or chat restriction for calling their team mates dumb F*cks because really is that going to hurt your feelings? Its the internet insults are just insults and never should be taken seriously unless they're really explicit. The punishment for these offense should be chat restrictions and if they are a repeat offender they should not be allowed to use chat for the rest of the season. Thus allowing them to prove themselves next season.

They need to loosen up on what we type and tighten up on inters, trollers, and afkers because honestly non of those reports go through but almost everyone gets a chat restriction within a day for saying something "toxic".

NF Remilia12/15/2019, 8:29:46 AM1 votes

Toxic players that are perma banned " most of them" never gonna change. They have plenty of warnings to change but they dont.... So perma ban is definetly a good thing.