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Someone should make a Sticky about What counts as bannable offense

Eternal Torment··34 votes·1,332 views

Sorry if this sounds a Little salty but the curiosity is getting to me.

Do people legit just not understand their own faults? Or is there the possibility that the ToS (Which you hopefully read, if not, do it) does not describe the full box of reasons that can get you penaltied by telling exactly what you can do and can't? Like, i can get why in some cases people ask themselves why they were banned because i have indeed seen logs that weren't really that offensive compared to the stuff that exists, but they were still punishable regardless. Having said that, it still means every punishment inflicted is from at least one formal Facts-only point of view justly created...

which makes the question, are people that sure of their own supposted Knowledge of whats forbidden, or do people simply go by the mind of masses and think "if they can do it so can i" and get away?

I feel like there Needs to be an Informational thread sticked on the PB boards that gives very detailed insightful explanations as to where exactly people commit fault and how they should see it to accept their mistakes made.

Just before the final word, i am not really mad at people who don't get their mistakes. it's just, ironically, i don't get how people don't get it. Like, i am ready to declare myself stupid if i am missing something, but to me it just looks like this. People, for whatever reason, cannot see themselves at fault... I would make a post and pray it gets sticked myself, but it is 1:20 am where i am from and with this post i am going to bed. (hopefully)

I hope people can have at some hopefully soon coming time a means to clarify what went wrong, and that said clarification can be applied more globally. I don't mind telling people what they did wrong, but i can imagine it is very annoying on the long run to manually, and explicitly, explain to every Person that Comes here questioning their fate just why happened what happend.

Peace out, and have a nice day everyone.

PS: also a good night for those who are also gonna nap

27 Comments

ModThe Djinn15 votes

The problem here is that the people who would most benefit from such a sticky are often the least likely to seek it out or want to read it. It's actually easier (and often more useful) to provide information on a case-by-case basis when people request it.

Nutsmacko7 votes

I understand what you're saying on both points, however I disagree on them.

1: If people who are on the verge of losing their accounts and have already received a warning or warnings and aren't looking to get information on what will and won't lose you your account then the warnings didn't do a good enough job.

2: Yes, it's easier and more useful to provide information on case-by-case basis when requested, but by then the player's account is already banned. Yes, they know what they did to cause the ban, but it isn't helpful at all to them, they've already lost their account.

ModPrandine2 votes

{quoted}

I understand what you're saying on both points, however I disagree on them.

1: If people who are on the verge of losing their accounts and have already received a warning or warnings and aren't looking to get information on what will and won't lose you your account then the warnings didn't do a good enough job.

I feel that's more the fault of the player than anything else. The information is out there but if they're not willing to heed the warnings and/or seek out help to avoid being punished further then that's their problem, not ours.

2: Yes, it's easier and more useful to provide information on case-by-case basis when requested, but by then the player's account is already banned. Yes, they know what they did to cause the ban, but it isn't helpful at all to them, they've already lost their account.

Unfortunately I feel that this is a case of hindsight 20-20 where it's easier to look back on and notice your mistakes after the fact.

Bazookapc1 votes

I know some Americans, myself included once upon a time, have started to use them interchangeably, but starting a sentence with "I feel" CAN mean you are thinking emotionally, not logically. Throughout your post it was consistently "feel, feel, feel" which makes me not THINK that you know what you're talking about. I'm trying to be constructive and it's not my intention to be mean. It's just something that's been bugging me with more people than just you. Sorry for using you as my guinea pig.

Anyway, I'm one of those players people say they're going to report just for playing badly. I don't know how many of them actually do considering I only play normals and have never gotten any sort of warning. (I did get a queue dodge timer once when enemy team had a beautiful draft and my team was 4 assassins and me...an ADC who didn't even bother locking in upon seeing that).

The best you can do is make the information available, point the players to it in the warning or permban messages, and they can read it/watch it if they want to. I think it would be cool if Riot made a video that would pop up in client for players who just got chat restriction or a temp/perm ban where a Rioter literally talks to you like it's a pretend 1-1 conversation about the possible reasons you were banned. Or the video could just be general purpose "this is what is expected of you and you were banned for one of the following reasons".

OR you could combine the two (my favorite option) and start off general with clickable annotations in the video to skip to whatever it was you were banned for to watch that part of the video. It's far more interactive and instructive than just reading the Summoner's Code in my humble opinion.

Í Vyrdaes Ì5 votes

It basically boils down to "How much of a snowflake was the teammate you gave advice to?" these days. I got a two week ban because we had a feeding Morde "support" and when I gave him a few pointers such as item suggestions or where to put wards (And even to BUY wards dude didn't have a ward stone by 25 minutes. >_>) he got bitchy about it and I said and I quote "Alright man, I hope losing games is fun for you."

That got me banned. :T

Advice and submission to refusal of said advice.

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

JAGL Aqua1 votes

Haven't gotten banned for this but I completely understand. Every time I give advice or try to keep everyone calm and not elevate a situation, they just associate me with being toxic for trying to help. Oh and you gotta love when they say "you're still getting reported :)" when you try to explain why you're innocent.

Í Vyrdaes Ì3 votes

No one seems to care that the person on the other end is... you know... a person? Not everyone is out to make you play like crap or give you shit build ideas to make you feed so they can flame you later. Some people actually are interested in winning and want to give you advice to help make you useful in a teamfight so that even if you are playing sub-optimally, you can still stand a better chance of winning the game.

But, you know. We're nothing but selfish assholes who all need to be reported if we say anything other than 'wow good job carry me pls'.

Bazookapc2 votes

Where are these people who give you advice in-game? I just get people saying "lmao" to me (and I only play frigging normal draft). I WANT to play with the people you're describing. It would help me a TON to just queue with people whom you're describing. I would WELCOME being bossed around instead of floundering around trying to learn via Youtube videos and random, mostly unrelated posts on /r/summonerschool . Hell, one of the reasons why I've refused to play ranked thus far is BECAUSE I have no one to tell me what to do. I have no regular people I play with, just a couple people who I added and are AFK 95% of the time and only play the special gamemode, Invasion, Ascension, what-have--you.

So yeah, rant over. I cherish advice when I get it in-game or post-game. It rarely EVER happens for me. ;/

Grism3 votes

If they had a sticky people might abuse it. Just a thought.

Drugoth2 votes

How so? By reading it and understanding and following the rules? Lol.

Grism2 votes

{quoted}

How so? By reading it and understanding and following the rules? Lol.

Hm, I thought that they possibly could find ways to do it that won't get them banned.

ModPeriscope3 votes

With exception to hate speech, I don't think we should be dictating what is and isn't reportable. There shouldn't be a rule book to treat others as you would have them treat you. We shouldn't have to dumb that down to "don't be a dick"

What is and isn't punishable is fluid, and should be determined by players in the post game screen.

nGio1 votes

The problem with that is the premade pile-ons.

DuskDaUmbreon2 votes

Which doesn't exist. 1 report in a game is weighted the same as 9. Riot's explicitly said this many times.

Bazookapc1 votes

@Periscope I don't believe in fluidity of punishment. You need to strictly lay it out there or you get people constantly trying to see how far they can push the limit.

ModPeriscope1 votes

I think hate speech is a pretty concrete rule: use it and get a 14-day ban. I think there are a few rules that are elaborated on periodically, but it just seems to be common sense. Further, the worst offenders probably don't even come to the boards, and even fewer to the PB sub board.

Bazookapc2 votes

I only came to this thread because I was bored and I like rules.

nGio3 votes

I'll upvote this for some clarity. I have sent 2 tickets directly to support with screenshots, because people went far beyond the average verbal abuse. Last week I was matched with and against a duo back to back games, where they went full racist, sexist, homophobic, and sexual harassment for an entire hour. In another game, someone threatened to find me irl and kill me.

Support got back to me, I asked why the players weren't banned, and support explained to me their discipline steps order. They most likely only received chat bans(if that even), which is pretty crazy. Why is saying "you suck" the same as threatening someone's life or unloading an entire hour of unprovoked hate speech across 2 games?

We need a clear set of lines not to cross, and then Riot needs to enforce this shit. If saying 'ggez' is not allowed, then state that, and issue a warning, and if you threaten to hunt down and kill another human being, maybe you skip the first few steps of your '12 step program for scumbags'.

Eedat2 votes

Can we have one for the boards too? I got a 24 hour ban on here for implying an insult. I didn't even say the insult, literally implied an insult. I have not once recurved any sort of restriction period on my account ever (been playing since early season 3) so I feel I don't cross the line into what Riot feels is punishable...

Drugoth7 votes

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Eternal Torment1 votes

oops, ignore the previous comment XD wrong person

KoKoboto1 votes

Yeah pretty sure people that go around being harasserful wouldn't even bother reading the sticky. Heck I don't even read the current stickies!

AnnieTheSupport1 votes

Do you seriously expect 10 and 12 year olds to read through a wall of text when their attention span doesn't stretch over 20 seconds?

Squarepusher1 votes

Its too time consuming for Riot to actually setup rules and enforce them. instead, they have automatic system done by computer based on reports and some other stats like KDA/chat log scanning / etc.

So they ban someone, they just say its justified and correctly done, and you just have to eat it.

DuskDaUmbreon1 votes

It sounds like a good idea at first, but there's three reasons why not:

First off, it's redundant. There's already plenty of rules that are listed. From the Summoner's Code on the front page, to explicit statements, to community decisions...it's all there. You just have to look.

Second, rules like that are fluid. Of course there are the obvious ones that will never change (hacking, for example), but even ones that seem obvious are a bit sketchy (when does dark/offensive humor cross the line into hate speech?), and there are plenty that are just too fluid and vague to be listable, and require a case-by-case evaluation almost every time (what, exactly, is the line between flaming and harsh criticism? When are you unsuccessfully trying to break the meta, and when are you gutting your team? When are you playfully trash-talking, and when are you being toxic?). On top of that, there are some situations that can only be answered by the players in a match (When is your excuse to AFK valid?), of which no two will ever be the same.

Third, writing them down, and explicitly stating that "This is everything" gives potential abusers a checklist. It lets them circumvent the rules. And it lets assholes sue Riot if they don't enforce those to the letter, regardless of the spirit. If Riot says "No going AFK, at all", and I have to drop the match because my wife is literately going into labor, and I provide photo evidence of the fact, Riot can't unban me without having a hundred and ten lawsuits against them. Any circumvention of these issues brings us back to where we are, of them having to say "Rules can be modified as we see fit", which is almost uselessly vague.

Yaoi Tarded1 votes

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