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Someone should make a Sticky about What counts as bannable offense

Eternal Torment·9/6/2017, 11:22:48 PM·34 votes·1,332 views

Sorry if this sounds a Little salty but the curiosity is getting to me.

Do people legit just not understand their own faults? Or is there the possibility that the ToS (Which you hopefully read, if not, do it) does not describe the full box of reasons that can get you penaltied by telling exactly what you can do and can't? Like, i can get why in some cases people ask themselves why they were banned because i have indeed seen logs that weren't really that offensive compared to the stuff that exists, but they were still punishable regardless. Having said that, it still means every punishment inflicted is from at least one formal Facts-only point of view justly created...

which makes the question, are people that sure of their own supposted Knowledge of whats forbidden, or do people simply go by the mind of masses and think "if they can do it so can i" and get away?

I feel like there Needs to be an Informational thread sticked on the PB boards that gives very detailed insightful explanations as to where exactly people commit fault and how they should see it to accept their mistakes made.

Just before the final word, i am not really mad at people who don't get their mistakes. it's just, ironically, i don't get how people don't get it. Like, i am ready to declare myself stupid if i am missing something, but to me it just looks like this. People, for whatever reason, cannot see themselves at fault... I would make a post and pray it gets sticked myself, but it is 1:20 am where i am from and with this post i am going to bed. (hopefully)

I hope people can have at some hopefully soon coming time a means to clarify what went wrong, and that said clarification can be applied more globally. I don't mind telling people what they did wrong, but i can imagine it is very annoying on the long run to manually, and explicitly, explain to every Person that Comes here questioning their fate just why happened what happend.

Peace out, and have a nice day everyone.

PS: also a good night for those who are also gonna nap

27 Comments

ModThe Djinn9/6/2017, 11:37:53 PM15 votes

The problem here is that the people who would most benefit from such a sticky are often the least likely to seek it out or want to read it. It's actually easier (and often more useful) to provide information on a case-by-case basis when people request it.

Í Vyrdaes Ì9/7/2017, 7:21:34 AM5 votes

It basically boils down to "How much of a snowflake was the teammate you gave advice to?" these days. I got a two week ban because we had a feeding Morde "support" and when I gave him a few pointers such as item suggestions or where to put wards (And even to BUY wards dude didn't have a ward stone by 25 minutes. >_>) he got bitchy about it and I said and I quote "Alright man, I hope losing games is fun for you."

That got me banned. :T

Advice and submission to refusal of said advice.

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

nGio9/7/2017, 9:26:27 AM3 votes

I'll upvote this for some clarity. I have sent 2 tickets directly to support with screenshots, because people went far beyond the average verbal abuse. Last week I was matched with and against a duo back to back games, where they went full racist, sexist, homophobic, and sexual harassment for an entire hour. In another game, someone threatened to find me irl and kill me.

Support got back to me, I asked why the players weren't banned, and support explained to me their discipline steps order. They most likely only received chat bans(if that even), which is pretty crazy. Why is saying "you suck" the same as threatening someone's life or unloading an entire hour of unprovoked hate speech across 2 games?

We need a clear set of lines not to cross, and then Riot needs to enforce this shit. If saying 'ggez' is not allowed, then state that, and issue a warning, and if you threaten to hunt down and kill another human being, maybe you skip the first few steps of your '12 step program for scumbags'.

Grism9/6/2017, 11:59:15 PM3 votes

If they had a sticky people might abuse it. Just a thought.

ModPeriscope9/7/2017, 1:43:24 AM3 votes

With exception to hate speech, I don't think we should be dictating what is and isn't reportable. There shouldn't be a rule book to treat others as you would have them treat you. We shouldn't have to dumb that down to "don't be a dick"

What is and isn't punishable is fluid, and should be determined by players in the post game screen.

Eedat9/7/2017, 12:48:35 PM2 votes

Can we have one for the boards too? I got a 24 hour ban on here for implying an insult. I didn't even say the insult, literally implied an insult. I have not once recurved any sort of restriction period on my account ever (been playing since early season 3) so I feel I don't cross the line into what Riot feels is punishable...

KoKoboto9/7/2017, 1:14:46 AM1 votes

Yeah pretty sure people that go around being harasserful wouldn't even bother reading the sticky. Heck I don't even read the current stickies!

Yaoi Tarded9/8/2017, 12:53:33 AM1 votes

EVERYTHING

AnnieTheSupport9/7/2017, 3:25:17 AM1 votes

Do you seriously expect 10 and 12 year olds to read through a wall of text when their attention span doesn't stretch over 20 seconds?

Squarepusher9/7/2017, 8:41:49 AM1 votes

Its too time consuming for Riot to actually setup rules and enforce them. instead, they have automatic system done by computer based on reports and some other stats like KDA/chat log scanning / etc.

So they ban someone, they just say its justified and correctly done, and you just have to eat it.

DuskDaUmbreon9/7/2017, 4:33:18 PM1 votes

It sounds like a good idea at first, but there's three reasons why not:

First off, it's redundant. There's already plenty of rules that are listed. From the Summoner's Code on the front page, to explicit statements, to community decisions...it's all there. You just have to look.

Second, rules like that are fluid. Of course there are the obvious ones that will never change (hacking, for example), but even ones that seem obvious are a bit sketchy (when does dark/offensive humor cross the line into hate speech?), and there are plenty that are just too fluid and vague to be listable, and require a case-by-case evaluation almost every time (what, exactly, is the line between flaming and harsh criticism? When are you unsuccessfully trying to break the meta, and when are you gutting your team? When are you playfully trash-talking, and when are you being toxic?). On top of that, there are some situations that can only be answered by the players in a match (When is your excuse to AFK valid?), of which no two will ever be the same.

Third, writing them down, and explicitly stating that "This is everything" gives potential abusers a checklist. It lets them circumvent the rules. And it lets assholes sue Riot if they don't enforce those to the letter, regardless of the spirit. If Riot says "No going AFK, at all", and I have to drop the match because my wife is literately going into labor, and I provide photo evidence of the fact, Riot can't unban me without having a hundred and ten lawsuits against them. Any circumvention of these issues brings us back to where we are, of them having to say "Rules can be modified as we see fit", which is almost uselessly vague.