"Just don't be toxic "

scazzman·Jul 18, 2017·3 votes·674 views

all too often i see this response when people come on the boards trying to stop getting chat restricted/banned gee, if people could just "not be toxic" THEY WOULDNT BE HAVING THIS PROBLEM

people fail to realize that "toxic players" struggle with real issues that make them prone to negative chat including

frustration with trolls/unskilled players
mental health disorders/anger management issues
being in an age demographic where it was still socially acceptable to retaliate against a bully
legitimately feeling like they "shouldnt have to" control their chat

please keep this in mind when telling people "just dont be toxic"

29 Comments

DrugothJul 18, 20175 votes

There is literally no excuse in the world that is acceptable for being toxic in this game.

When I was in high school, I was a highly volatile person and got into fights on a weekly basis. I was suspended for pretty much half of grade 12. I even threatened to kill a teacher. I'm lucky I didn't land in jail ffs.

Now, years later, I've been playing league since Season 2. I have never received a punishment in this game for toxic behavior, not even a chat restriction.

If I can change that much then it's not out of the question for a toxic player in league to be repentant for his behavior and learn from his past mistakes. It's never acceptable at any age to retaliate at a bully.

No matter what kind of shit gets thrown at you, it is never an excuse for losing your cool. Try to be the bigger person.

Stop giving excuses and start behaving!

scazzmanJul 18, 20171 votes

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There is literally no excuse in the world that is acceptable for being toxic in this game.

When I was in high school, I was a highly volatile person and got into fights on a weekly basis. I was suspended for pretty much half of grade 12. I even threatened to kill a teacher. I'm lucky I didn't land in jail ffs.

Now, years later, I've been playing league since Season 2. I have never received a punishment in this game for toxic behavior, not even a chat restriction.

If I can change that much then it's not out of the question for a toxic player in league to be repentant for his behavior and learn from his past mistakes.

No matter what kind of shit gets thrown at you, it is never an excuse for losing your cool. Try to be the bigger person.

Stop giving excuses and start behaving!

and some people can do that. what im getting at is not everyone can. and telling people "just dont be toxic" DOES NOT HELP ANYONE

CrazFight Jul 18, 20174 votes

If someone people cant "just not be toxic" , thats alright but then they have to deal with the punishments that come with it.

scazzmanJul 18, 20171 votes

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If someone people cant "just not be toxic" , thats alright but then they have to deal with the punishments that come with it.

i think you're missing the point. to the people who struggle with toxic chat, its not as simple as hitting a switch

DrugothJul 18, 20171 votes

If you can't change, you deal with the consequences, simple as that. Riot isn't about to change years of rules just because some people refuse to change.

SavageConcordiaJul 19, 20171 votes

What switch? The switch the tells you to treat people with respect? Hate to break it to you, that should be how you treat people all the damn time. Treating people with respect isn't something that you only exist in your life when you play league and are forced to do it.

scazzmanJul 19, 20171 votes

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What switch? The switch the tells you to treat people with respect? Hate to break it to you, that should be how you treat people all the damn time. Treating people with respect isn't something that you only exist in your life when you play league and are forced to do it.

in real life people arent automatically treated with respect. it's earned. im not going to be "respectful" to the guy on the street corner shouting "god hates f**s " im going to tell them to shut the fuck up

SavageConcordiaJul 19, 20171 votes

Do you? Or do you just keep walking and ignore his stupid ass? Go to Bourbon Street in New Orleans, those guys are walking up and down the street with megaphones shouting about how everyone is going to hell. Do you know what people do? They ignore them and enjoy themselves because that is what they are there to do not fight idiots. When you play league, you do it to enjoy your self (if you don't maybe take a break) so why not ignore (mute) them and try to enjoy yourself rather than fight idiots and trolls?

SEKAIJul 19, 20171 votes

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in real life people arent automatically treated with respect. it's earned. im not going to be "respectful" to the guy on the street corner shouting "god hates f**s " im going to tell them to shut the fuck up

Okay. If you preach this logic, then you live by this logic. You will never, EVER, demand nor expect minimal respect of others because it's got to be "earned" right?

You shall forfeit your human right and everything that comes with it such as your right of free speech as well as plenty of other things that comes from the country's basic respect towards you for merely existing, NOW.
You shall never look for the help of any authority figures, family members, paramedics, lawyers etc etc if anything goes wrong. If you're in trouble, in stress, or literally dying, don't ever look for the help of others or expect anybody to come and help you; and when there's any kind soul who insists on helping you then YOU WILL DENY THEM.
You will do everything yourself, you will not be allowed to have any stranger take part in your life in any shape or form. Because you my friend, have clearly not done anything that earns their respect and attention in the slightest. Thus by your line of reasoing they should NOT have any respect towards you, and you will accept it.
You will own nothing. And anything that you've received for free, from the parents, gifts etc, you will reject them. Because you did not earn them. Return those things, or throw them away. Because that's what your rule says.
You should be treated as a piece of trash, non-existent void that isn't even covered by homeless community/cares and whatnot. You are open to be ignored, bullied, oppressed etc by the world's 99.99999% of people at least for being stranger with you, and you're okay with that. And everyone should greet you with an insult at the very least, or if they don't, you will ask them to insult or hurt you. Because you have not earned their respect and that's just what happens when people don't respect each other.
You are a nobody. But even worse here, because in your view, no one should give a shit about you, in fact they should be disrespectful or worse to you by default as far as you are concerned. In your perfect world, everyone would be very happy to wait for your demise if not causing it themselves, and to dance around your corpse on the side of the road while pissing on your carcass as they pass. Because to you, it's supposed to be.

But of course you will neither do nor accept either of those things befallen onto you, because that edgy shit is only spewed by hypocrites and kiddies who unfortunately can't see anything past their 1-dimensional thinking pattern. The kids at least have excuses, do you?

HalcyonDwellerJul 19, 20172 votes

Respect may be earned, but common decency is owed, at least until proven otherwise.

If your first reaction to adversity is to be toxic, you're always going to have bad experiences. If instead you try to be patient and treat players well, you may find that you will be treated in kind and your games will be consistently more fun.

DrugothJul 18, 20171 votes

You're right, ultimately they are responsible to change their own behavior. If they refuse to take our advice, it's not our fault. We are just trying to help.

CrazFight Jul 18, 20172 votes

1: If they have mental disorders like anger management issues i don't think this changes anything - if they are toxic they should be banned 2: We all have frustration with trolls , doesn't mean we are all toxic 3: Age demographics? Both young and old people are toxic, not just one group. I'm not sure what your getting at here 4: I don't understand your 4th point

scazzmanJul 18, 20172 votes

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1: If they have mental disorders like anger management issues i don't think this changes anything - if they are toxic they should be banned 2: We all have frustration with trolls , doesn't mean we are all toxic 3: Age demographics? Both young and old people are toxic, not just one group. I'm not sure what your getting at here 4: I don't understand your 4th point

when i was a kid, our parents still taught us if we were being bullied, rather then ignore it or tell a teacher, it was okay for you to tell the person name calling you, "shut the fuck up" or if someone tries to punch you, it was okay to hit back.

and the 4th point is that people legitimately feel like their chat isnt a problem so why should they have to change it in order to not get banned.

and im not saying it's okay. im saying theres more to it then "just dont be toxic"

CrazFight Jul 18, 20171 votes

ok, To the "They don't know there chat is a problem" - Thats what punishments provide, a way to tell them your being toxic stop. Your kid thing with the bully is a stretch and honestly doesn't make sense in this context

scazzmanJul 18, 20171 votes

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ok, To the "They don't know there chat is a problem" - Thats what punishments provide, a way to tell them your being toxic stop. Your kid thing with the bully is a stretch and honestly doesn't make sense in this context

riot punishes for retaliation. making it relevant. asking people not to retaliate is asking them to rewire years of what their parents taught them

CrazFight Jul 18, 20171 votes

ok.. if they can't "rewire" retaliation, then thats fine but they have to deal with the consequences of doing so.

DrugothJul 18, 20173 votes

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when i was a kid, our parents still taught us if we were being bullied, rather then ignore it or tell a teacher, it was okay for you to tell the person name calling you, "shut the fuck up" or if someone tries to punch you, it was okay to hit back.

and the 4th point is that people legitimately feel like their chat isnt a problem so why should they have to change it in order to not get banned.

and im not saying it's okay. im saying theres more to it then "just dont be toxic"

It doesn't matter what toxic people think is acceptable, it matters what Riot dictates is acceptable.

scazzmanJul 18, 20171 votes

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It doesn't matter what toxic people think is acceptable, it matters what Riot dictates is acceptable.

you are completely missing the point.

I AM NOT EXCUSING THE BEHAVIOR!

im saying how for toxic players. most of us want very much to reform. but its not as simple as you make it out to be. and when people say things like "just dont be toxic" all that does is cause even more frustration because it just looks like you're patronizing us and not offering any legitimate advice

AdeBugJul 19, 20171 votes

were u homeschooled? the bullying starts in school and retaliation is punished because they don't care who started it. I am not saying I agree with that, because it got to such a stupid level that women are being sued when fighting back at their attacker nowadays, but this is the world we live in and we've all grown up in. Idk where you grew up, but ur in the minority here.

as for 4th point, it's same as going to a state or country with their own rules. u might not know all their ridiculous laws but u might be punished for doing something that to you seems normal. it is your responsibility to do your research (in this case, read the tos and guidelines), and you will suffer the consequences accordingly to me, it seems normal to do good to people until they're proven assholes, but im in a minority and i know it. to me, it seems normal and logical that 2 working spouses share household chores because my parents did this, but im in a minority and i know it.

420 gramsJul 18, 20171 votes

I think you're looking too much into it and trying to complicate a simple issue.

It doesn't matter what your team is doing, you just have to play the game. You don't have to bitch and complain in chat about how youre losing because of him, or because x champion is stupid, etc. You can just mute everybody and focus on game play.

ModPeriscopeJul 18, 20171 votes

So, maybe offer advice to not being toxic?

This Is Your DadJul 19, 20171 votes

I'm still a bit of a jack ass but when I was a teenager I thought the way I was doing things was fine. I didn't listen to criticism at all and took offense to everything, and I lacked empathy. I was easy to anger and let my mental illness control me. After I stopped talking to people and sat in my room for days and days thinking, I reached the conclusion that I didn't like being that way. I changed myself, allowed myself to accept people that wanted to be accepted. I still have a ways to go, but I think caring about people is important and you don't have to be a carebear to do it.

General Esdeath Jul 19, 20171 votes

OP is the kind of guy who wants everyone to wear a blindfold so their blind friend can play

HalcyonDwellerJul 19, 20171 votes

Correct me if I'm wrong but you're essentially asking people to be helpful, rather than say, "Don't be toxic."

For example by offering suggestions on ways to better handle a temper or avoid tilt?

scazzmanJul 20, 20171 votes

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Correct me if I'm wrong but you're essentially asking people to be helpful, rather than say, "Don't be toxic."

For example by offering suggestions on ways to better handle a temper or avoid tilt?

yes.

HalcyonDwellerJul 20, 20171 votes

Wow then I'm sorry everybody else here took it the wrong way. Instead of getting help, you got mobbed.

If you want, I can see what I can come up with from past discussions I've had with others about this. I should be able to pull together some useful information.

jimbomanJul 19, 20171 votes

Yea, your excuses are kind of invalid. There is no excuse for toxic behavior, YOU are responsible for YOUR actions. You may ask, "What do toxic people need?" Got 4 words. Self. Control. Self. Discipline.

I'm done here.

KaiokoJul 20, 20171 votes

There's a difference between answering the question: "How can I not be banned" vs. "How can I stop being toxic"

Person A sees the issue on Riot's hands and like they've done nothing wrong; while person B acknowledges their mistakes and seeks to improve themselves. Most people on this board will give constructive feedback to person B.

SimbafluffJul 20, 20171 votes

I think most people who offer "just don't be toxic" as an advice because to us, there's no more simple ways to offer an advice for avoiding punishment. Having a legitimate mental illness issue is one thing, since it is an **actual ** sickness. However, for the majority of the people who have been restricted/banned, I daresay it's more of a matter of lack of self discipline.

There are already many other posts on the board where people tangible actions/advice to take to help the issue of individual toxicity, but for the most part they're all advice on how to manage one's emotions and self control - "don't be toxic".