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The Truth About Permanent Bans, Part 2

The Spin Slicer·12/22/2017, 10:25:49 AM·1 votes·935 views
The Truth About Perma Bans ands Chat Restrict

I recently made a post on this forum regarding Riot's money making tricks when it comes to permanent bans. The TLDR was that I had suggested permanent chat bans instead of permanent bans.

Apparently Riot has tried permanent chat bans before with no success. Some people had some very good points and my post was downvoted into the land of the unseen.

But I have one final question or suggestion for those claiming Riot isn't out for money with permanent bans. If Riot really just wants to clean the community and doesn't care about money, then they should refund all the money (or half of it?) that the player has spent on the banned account. As I mentioned before, people spend hundreds or even thousands of dollars on these accounts.

If Riot returned the money spent, then that would prove to me that they aren't just out for cash with their permanent ban system. It would have no negative consequences from the people who want toxic players removed from the game. I know that this is possible with both PayPal and credit card (for most credit cards) transaction.

TLDR If permanent bans are really not about Riot'$ love for money, then they should refund the money spent on banned accounts.

21 Comments

Bettnachleger12/22/2017, 10:33:02 AM8 votes

First of all, Riot is a company. Is it really that absurd for you, that a company is trying to make money?

And jeah ... If they give the money back to the player who got banned, why the fuck should they care if they get banned in the first place? And what if I don't like the game anymore? Oh .. I just have to behave like a dick and voila, I get my money back ;^)

Just don't be a dick and all your earned stuff is safe. It's not that hard.

Edit: It's like people think Riot is doing all this stuff just for run. Why is it so hard to understand, that they have to pay salarys and other stuff?! The people who work for Riot have familys and stuff. They **need **money.

The Cream Reaper12/22/2017, 10:43:43 AM8 votes

reading that i'm realising that you still haven't read the ToS which is kind of sad tbh

4.3. Do I “own” the Virtual Goods I unlock? (No. What you “unlock” is not the virtual good itself, but rather, a qualified right to access it in the Game.) You have no ownership or other property interest in any of the Virtual Goods you unlock, regardless of whether you acquired access to those Virtual Goods using Riot Points, Blue Essence or Hextech Crafting. Virtual Goods have no monetary value. You can’t redeem them for cash. You can’t obtain any refunds for purchasing Riot Points or Virtual Goods, except as expressly permitted by us. You can find our current content refund policy here.

We have the right to delete, alter, move, remove, or transfer any and all Game Content—including Virtual Goods—in whole or in part, at any time and for any reason or no reason, with or without notice to you, and with no liability of any kind to you. We don’t provide or guarantee, and expressly disclaim, any value, cash or otherwise, attributed to any data residing on servers we operate or control, including any Game Content attributed to your account. The sale or transfer of your right to access certain Virtual Goods, Blue Essence, Riot Points or Hextech Items may only be conducted via services approved of or provided by us, if any.

tl;dr the account and all the champions, icons, ward skins, champions skins, and other paraphanelia are in essence, riot's property, not yours

you agreed to these terms when you clicked on "i agree" when you made your account.

problem? TOO BAD

ModUlanopo12/22/2017, 1:01:37 PM6 votes

If Riot returned the money spent, then that would prove to me that they aren't just out for cash with their permanent ban system.

I have the sense you realize how unworkable and unrealistic this is and aren't really expecting Riot to "prove" to you that account bans aren't about cash.

Because League if a F2P game, there has to be a meaningful loss associated with misbehavior, else there's zero reason to not create another account and just keep trolling. What you suggest would make all the behavior systems functionally meaningless.

RallerenP12/22/2017, 12:47:38 PM6 votes

Imagine walking into a cinema with signs that say "Misbehave and you leave, no refunds". You then yell loudly and throw a tantrum right at the beginning of the movie and you get thrown out. On the way out you scream. "YOU'RE JUST DOING THIS FOR THE MONEY!!!!".

Is that logical? No. Is this post logical? No.

Takazaki12/22/2017, 10:56:14 AM5 votes

OP you Are getting downvoted because you logic doesn't hold water when face reality.

Riot tells you rules, you break them, you get banned.

cause and effect.

Anything else beyond that is purely horse shit made up by a salty player.

sleepysithlord12/22/2017, 3:07:23 PM4 votes

I think the issue is that by spending RP, you get access to potentially infinite use of a new skin. So when you get banned, I can see how you feel like you aren't getting the access you paid for.

To make you feel better, think of it like this. Access to a new skin for one game is worth the sticker price of RP. Every use after that is just freebies. So, if you buy a new skin, play one game, then get permabanned, you aren't technically being denied any of the access you paid for.

Alternatively, Riot could institute a pay per use system. Here, you would spend a small amount of RP every time you wanted to use a skin. Then there is no way to feel like you've had anything taken from you after a permaban. This system would be more true to what is actually the case. Because while Riot says you don't own the skin, the way the marketplace is set up is supposed to "trick" you into feeling like you own the skin. That is why I think my above system is more truthful to the Terms of Service they have you agree to.

archerno112/22/2017, 10:31:44 AM3 votes

Why should they do it?

General Esdeath 12/23/2017, 10:47:17 AM2 votes

I'm so close to banging my head on my wall with how often this gets posted. The "conspiracy" about banning people for monetary gain. Of those banned accounts, 95% of them pledge to never spend another dollar on the game. How does that make money for Riot? Also, perma mute was tried, failed horribly.

Sarutobi12/22/2017, 11:05:39 AM2 votes

But the thing is ruit held their end if the bargain. They gave the RP you bought. You ended up breaking the tules in some way and thus getting punished.

NiamhNyx12/22/2017, 11:06:28 AM2 votes

"Guise, I got banned, that mean rito want me to make a new account and spend moar monie."

Every single one of these threads in a nutshell.

Weedbro12/22/2017, 1:04:20 PM2 votes

Nah they should just do a Prisoner's Island. All of lyte's problems with it are exactly that, his problems. He has no idea what he's talking about. He believes that people are absolutely incapable of evolving to circumvent a bot-based penalty system. He believes that people are absolutely incapable of getting better when exposed endlessly to their own toxicity. This has been proven to be 100% wrong literally thousands of times in the past, first off, through aversion therapy, and second off, through things like NA, narcotic's anonymous. It's been PROVEN that other people can and will help you get better. Lyte's ego ruined this game.

Umbral Regent12/22/2017, 10:42:33 AM1 votes

First of all, as Bettnachleger said - what's the point of a ban if it has no real negative impact? Why should anyone give two shits if they got banned if all the money they invested into that account was returned to them - meaning nothing was lost for their rulebreaking?

Second, the point of the permanent ban isn't some mid-way point on a money-grubbing pyramid scheme. It's a point where Riot wants to plainly and clearly state to whoever is getting banned: "We don't want you here. Please go find another game."

And, lastly, above all else, the idea of "proving they're not out for money by refunding money spent on banned accounts" is completely laughable, because, as it's shown on the backs of Riot Point cards and in the transaction window for gaining Riot Points:

The transaction is NON-REFUNDABLE. Once you finish the transaction, your money is gone. There is no way you're getting it back. It's done, the transaction is locked, your money has been committed to Riot Games.

And Riot sure as hell isn't going to go back on that word for someone who broke the rules of their game enough to warrant a permaban.