PSA: Riot NA is EXPERIMENTALLY giving ONE chance perma'd players to prove themselves. ONE. REFORM!

Captain Lito·7/30/2018, 7:58:46 PM·51 votes·23,079 views
RiotWookieeCookie's comment from discussion "Permanent bans ONLY being lifted in NA"

Posting this on Lito instead of ShinodaChan because this is (hopefully) the account I myself will be participating on.

I CAN'T STRESS THIS ENOUGH - IF YOU ARE PARTICIPATING, ACTUALLY REFORM AND DON'T WASTE THE CHANCE. This is a rare opportunity for players ONLY IN NORTH AMERICA to show how not all permabanned players are bad. If you don't think you can reform, slap yourself in the face and tell yourself you can.

I've never been happier than today to hear this sort of news. I'm so glad Riot is doing this & I pray to whatever god exists that this experiment doesn't get raided by selfish players. Please don't let me down guys. PLEASE, I don't wanna regret having told the Boards about this.

Edit: My ticket's been assigned to an agent, I hope that I can join you guys (and if not, good luck)!

237 Comments

ModUlanopo7/30/2018, 8:34:03 PM14 votes

FROM THE REDDIT: "We are not under any obligation to lift a permanent suspension(and there are still a great many permabans we are not lifting, and will never lift under ANY circumstance)."

My hope is that the manual reviews will keep out the worst of the worst, so you don't have to worry about the experiment being terminated.

Warlord Rhinark7/30/2018, 8:52:55 PM11 votes

I kinda want to know why it's only in NA.

Seems a bit biased.

Umbral Regent7/30/2018, 8:28:20 PM9 votes

Hm. So it wasn't just rumors and hearsay, huh? I hope you don't mind me dropping my thoughts on this.

First, I want to say that it's good that WookieeCookie is being as clear as possible that this is a test, and not a change of policy. I'm not sure how many people would interpret that - or whether some would actually read it/skip over it, whichever - but it's a relief to me in a small part that they're maintaining the policy that I much prefer.

I also have to say, this is a pretty bold move on WookieeCookie's part, initiating and running such a test. It's definitely a pretty risky one, and it'd probably be taxing, even on the small scale that they have it, but, I trust they know full well the risks and have a good goal in mind for when to formally shut the test down. I hope things go smoothly enough for them and their team.

As for the test itself, I'm rather torn on how I should feel about it. On the one hand, this does help those scant few players who happen to only reform after they reach the permanent ban (which, I personally view as "too little, too late", but, my dismissal aside, it does work for some.), but on the other hand, it opens up quite a big negative possibility - which was addressed in that post.

If the Level 20 Challenge had a 95~% failure rate, of players hand-chosen as "most likely to succeed"...What does that say for the rest of permabanned players? What can we expect from the players they screen into the test? I guess time will tell for that matter.

Beyond the implications and the audiences the test reaches to, I also am somewhat drawn to think about the outcome of the test.

If it succeeds (in what margin Riot finds acceptable), then it likely will open up some possibilities for the future, potentially allowing those "too little, too late" cases to be screened and given one last shot. I can't really say it's a bad thing, since, again, while I'm ready to dismiss it, there are people who do learn what they can lose and shape up after the fact. But, it's not necessarily a good thing, either, since it'd likely still be fairly taxing on Riot if they do find a good success rate.

It is implied that they're looking to implement systems to make such a thing easier, but...Honestly, I'm not sure how much easier it can get for them. I'm not versed on code or automation of things, so what systems they make (if they make them) will be as black magic to me, but, if they've confidence in it, I've confidence in them.

But, on the other side of the coin, there's the fair possibility of failure. If it happens, I think it would completely cement the conclusion of the Level 20 Challenge, and the policy of not overturning permanent bans will be set in stone - no further tests would be feasible. Two failed tests would be enough to prove the point.

And if that does happen...Well, players will refer to this most recent test - likely alongside the Level 20 Challenge. Banned players will call for a third test, or a retrial, or some other exception...And non-banned players will have another piece of evidence to push back against people asking for "one last chance".

And, again, such an outcome isn't inherently good or bad. It's definitely not good, since, y'know. The test failed, and there was some collateral damage from it (hypothetically, of course), and it would inevitably reignite some amount of controversy in the playerbase regarding bans and ban appeals, but it's not bad, either, since even if the test fails...Well, we learn something from it. We learn what to expect from people wanting one last shot before they're banned for good.

Pardon all the rambling, but I figured with the official statement, I should at least give my thoughts for people to mull over or pick at.

To those of you who get screened into the test, best of luck, and, more importantly...Show that you mean it.

Fireman Teemo7/30/2018, 8:05:55 PM9 votes

Yea I was surprised when I put in a ticket for my first account, because I'd put in like 2 before and they just told me the same thing but then on the 3rd like 2 or 3 days ago they told they could lift it and put it on 2 weeks but that it would be one thin ice, any negativity would lead it back to perm ban. It was pretty cool and I'm pretty happy to play on it again ;p

TheEvilQueen1357/30/2018, 8:07:37 PM8 votes

i have seen a lot of posts about getting unbanned on here, now it all makes sense! best of luck to all of those that were unbanned

FFrazien7/31/2018, 11:41:11 AM8 votes

I will personally go to america and kiss every NA player if this goes through on EUW...

I AM VBAD7/31/2018, 8:48:22 AM8 votes

DONT FUCK IT UP BOYS

Agent Corgi7/31/2018, 3:31:25 AM6 votes

So from what I gather from this. **They want to see if Perma-Banned Players Can reform & because there's no way of actually testing this, they're manually undoing Perma-Bans for players who want to to prove they've changed. **

I have several Questions about this;

1.) So in order to do this, I would assume you would have to open up a ticket with Riot Support & see if you are able to participate in this experiment. Also assuming that you're account has it's perma-ban removed, would they consider you on "Extremely Thin-Ice" (like coming of a 14-day ban) & ban you on the slightest example of toxic behavior?

2.) How toxic do you have to be to be considered unredeemable? Like, if you used told someone to commit suicide or other forms of Verbal Abuse, would people like that be excluded?

3.) If someone where banned say 2-3 years ago & they were infromed about this, would they still be able to participate?

Ultimately, I'm glad that they're reaching out to players & trying to see if the player base can't redeem themselves. Not all people are capable of changing, but the ones that can prove they can should be allowed a 2nd chance. Hopefully, things go well here in NA. If they do, maybe they'll consider doing this in the other regions as well.

Adve7vt7/30/2018, 9:59:18 PM6 votes

I would like a chance to prove I have reformed as well. I will not let myself down or RIOT.

Talh7/30/2018, 10:13:51 PM6 votes

I like it. I think the vast majority of people will reform. Perma ban is a little harsh of a punish for any game, IMHO.

Marothennan7/30/2018, 10:17:51 PM6 votes

I like how he's pretending that perma'd people don't already have a new account that they are ruining the game on lol

Breezey Boy7/30/2018, 10:41:23 PM5 votes

Wait, so do I have to talk to somebody or send a support ticket, or can I just log on to my perma banned account?

Padawan7/31/2018, 9:21:26 AM5 votes

I just logged into this account to submit a ticket to try my luck :). I've been playing on my alt for the last 8 months and I have the max honor level without a single infraction. Wish me luck :P

SaltyToplaneGoat7/31/2018, 6:52:26 AM5 votes

Holy hell, their player numbers must be dropping fast as fuck when they are even going for that. I mean sure the experiment itself might show some interesting data, but that is all random non-profitable extra-work with barely any profit in of itself. They are really getting desperate it seems.

genmuzer08/1/2018, 5:07:14 PM4 votes

its almost 3 days and no respones im hoping i see one soon : ( ..

NanoFlameZero7/30/2018, 10:42:08 PM4 votes

Translation: "We are losing players and need people to play our game so we are letting the criminals back in" ~Riot

StillHittinLicks7/31/2018, 5:52:54 AM4 votes

I really like how cool you were with this. Tbh, I hate when people mess up the experience for me in LoL but seeing what you said, everyone does deserve another chance. Can I add you?

Giojun7/31/2018, 11:20:09 AM4 votes

Wish all the players who are in this do well and prove Riot that you've reformed. ^.^

I got myself banned 7th nov 2017, so I'm praying to get a new chance should this go well.

PhantomPrankster7/31/2018, 2:24:11 PM4 votes

so when and how do the people banned participate in this?

YerroFever7/31/2018, 3:03:32 PM4 votes

Last time they did this, they said they had a 95% fail rate/5% reform rate.

Maybe since Lyte is gone they're trying it with different methods?

Leto GT7/30/2018, 11:17:26 PM3 votes

Hopefully, people who were banned for hate-speech or cheating won't be part of your experiment nor eligible for the unban. GL anyway ! I Always thought the permaban policy was meh honestly.

Father Ho7/31/2018, 7:50:21 AM3 votes

they lost a lot of players and now they beg the permaban people to come back to fill up those gap

Quinzley7/30/2018, 8:29:19 PM2 votes

Let me reform on my EUNE account. Riot Please.

Fegone7/31/2018, 2:15:49 PM1 votes

I'm sorry, but I don't think that's a good idea. Permabanned players got banned for a reason. Riot giving them another chance nullifies the term 'perma-banned' and kinda makes the punishment process look like a joke. Reformed or not, that summoner name was toxic on the rift, and should never be seen on it any more. Just my 2 cents.

Rıots Bad Client7/30/2018, 11:42:37 PM1 votes

Question, I've been reading it. it seems its only "PermaBanned Players" And not "PermaBanned Accounts". So this effects people in cases like Tyler1?

(He was a perma banned person and had multiple accounts banned)

Can anyone clear that?