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Not allowed to choose the champs I want to play, why?

AlmightyMeatwad··4 votes·3,793 views

I'm just tired of getting into ranked games and when I shadow-pick Senna, someone on my own team bans her out. "Sorry, I'm not playing with that shit champ" or "F*ck that, if I can't play her, you can't play her" or "If you play her I'm going top lane and trolling". These are all actual responses I've received when trying to play this new champion.

Before Senna, I had seen this situation happen maybe 1 in 40 to 50 games. Now, it happens to me more than 50% of the time with Senna.

The community is COMPLETELY divided about the new champ and what "the pro players" (YouTubers, streamers, etc.) are saying about her and her kit and they don't even care that I have a 60% win-rate with her DESPITE being constantly trolled by my own team when I actually do get to play her. Some of the games I've had with her are disgusting as far as how well I've actually done with her and some are disgusting because my team flames me constantly. I literally have games where my support will start auto-ing minions or using skills to steal my farm or secured kills because "F*ck Senna". I have so many screenshots of hate towards me just simply for picking a champion.

I don't ban other people's picks. What I have to do, based on the system we're given, with zero knowledge of the people I'm queued up with is trust that they actually know how to play the champions they are playing and the roles that they have picked or are being forced to play i.e. Autofill. So if I'm doing that, why should I not also be afforded the same choice in champion selection? If I start queuing up for Solo/Duo and just banning the first person's shadow-pick, that's toxic and tilting as hell! That person is going to play like trash or purposefully troll simply because their choice of who to play was stolen from them.

Why is this type of player behavior being allowed and why does the current system implemented even allow it to happen?

It would be extremely easy to only allow one player to lock a champion at shadow-pick so that no other teammate can ban or pick them. If they want to try and ask for that champ instead, that's what the chat is for. They can attempt a dialogue about their feelings about the champ or see if someone would play someone else and switch with them instead.

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GatekeeperTDS6 votes

Anyone, including yourself, can ban any champion for any reason. This is not a "behavior" that's being allowed. This is how draft pick works, this is how draft pick is always going to work or else it's not draft pick.

17 times a week we see threads about this. You are not always going to get the champion you want. Get used to it or play blind pick.

AlmightyMeatwad1 votes

Are you trying to say that in blind pick I will always get to play the champion I want and that no one else can pick them first?

The whole purpose of shadow-picking to begin with is to declare your intent to play that champion so that your teammates won't ban them and that you will get to play them. There's over 100 champions in the game so it feels pretty pointed when someone bans the exact champion that you have selected to play. I would not be here with this post if it happened very seldom, but the problem is that it happens every single day, multiple times a day. It's not that I'm not getting to play because the other team bans her, that's acceptable. The problem is that anyone can ban anything they want as a response to shut down their own teammates. It's all about attitudes towards how they feel about the champion as opposed to how that champion actually functions.

The problems here are two-fold. Riot has created a champion that the community is clearly divided over. That division is interfering with my ability to play the game in a way that everyone else is free to, yet I am not allowed because my pick(s) are being banned by my own teammates. I say picks because sometimes this happens when I play Swain support also, yet statistically, Swain is my highest win-rate support with over 50%. in fact, I have an 83% win-rate with Swain support, yet still sometimes my own teammates will ban him when I shadow-pick him as support.

The other problem is that trolling and griefing are as normalized in this game as chocolate in Sweden. No one thinks twice about their behavior in so many of the games that I play in that I end up having at the very least one person who is constantly flaming one or more players on their team when they make terrible mistakes, bad calls, 1v5s, etc. and don't think that that doesn't affect the whole team. At it's core, League of Legends is a team game and I understand that these types of behaviors exist in situations where anonymity is allowed. But I'm getting blocked and flamed at champ select simply for my intent to play a certain champion. Certainly you can see how this is a problem?

GatekeeperTDS7 votes

The whole purpose of shadow-picking to begin with is to declare your intent to play that champion so that your teammates won't ban them and that you will get to play them.

It's not called shadow-picking, it's called pick intent. It's what you would like to play barring other circumstances.

Get to play them? No. There is no guarantee you will get to play them.

The order in draft pick is Ban > Pick, not Pick > Ban > Pick.

There's over 100 champions in the game

Exactly. Learn to play more of them.

I'm not even reading your other 3 paragraphs because it's meaningless. This is not a player behavior problem. You need to work within the confines of the game mode you want to play or don't play it. You are guaranteed nothing and anyone can ban any champion for any reason.

AlmightyMeatwad4 votes

Ok, yes let's mince words and make sure we're using the appropriate terminology so you don't get confused as to what I'm talking about. That's why I explained what shadow-picking is so there would be no confusion. Shadow-picking is a leftover term from my Heroes of Newerth days and we also used it in DOTA. Please excuse me using other terminology.

I'm fully aware that there is no guarantee that I'll play any champion. I know that the other team can ban them and that's absolutely fine, I even said it's fine and that I accept that. The problem is when it happens consistently to the point that it affects my enjoyment of the game. If someone bans your picks every 2 or 3 games, you're not going to enjoy that either. What it feels like to me is that since it isn't a problem for you, it isn't a problem for anyone. Since you "can" doesn't mean you "should".

I know how to play many other champions and I do so with decent success. For you to imply that I don't, just proves that you're trying to sound like you're the authority here and that I should give you some credence when you don't even read my whole post. What you're doing to my post is flaming within the confines of what's acceptable under the ToS. You have a condescending way of talking to people and if you want people to really wanted people to understand or believe you, you wouldn't be so openly hostile with the content of your replies to other people's posts. People that are trying to help others don't speak like you do. Whose authority do you operate under that allows you to tell me I shouldn't play this game?

I don't see how you don't consider it a Player Behavior issue when the flood of flaming and trolling and griefing, etc that comes AFTER the ban of my pick is so apparent. If there were no words talking down to me for wanting to play a certain champion OR if there were no actions from my supports or other players on my team for my picks, you would be right; that would not be a Player Behavior issue. But it's LITERALLY how these players are behaving during these games after the ban that is the issue here.

Kei1433 votes

It's a typical behavior when new champs come out.

AlmightyMeatwad2 votes

So, typical = ok?

GatekeeperTDS3 votes

Anyone, including yourself, can ban any champion they want for any reason in draft pick.

Kei1431 votes

just expected behavior.

It goes away after a week.

Zardo4 votes

Yes, you can ban a teammate's hover if you want.

However, that doesnt mean that you are not an asshole for doing so. Just as I am technically allowed to start csing as support. It doesnt mean that it's something that is healthy and should be encouraged, especially given the context given in the OP.

GatekeeperTDS3 votes

However, that doesnt mean that you are not an asshole for doing so.

It doesn't matter who's an asshole or not. In draft pick, bans come first. Period.

Zardo2 votes

It doesn't? In a team game where team cohesion wins games, creating a negative environment from champ select doesn't matter? People who have their champ banned do not react positively. They flip out and troll pick most of the time. So you're dooming your team to fail.

Why is it that any time this sort of discussion gets brought up there are people like you who say, "You CAN ban your teammate's hover, that's just the way draft works, deal with it." Nobody is arguing that fact. Everyone here understands that fact. You're stating nonsense. The whole point of these threads is generally to provide anecdotes or reasoning as to why it shouldn't be allowed, and all of the time someone responds with "well it is allowed." That's not even an argument. If you don't want to address what's actually being said, don't comment.

If you do want to address what's being said in the post, start by reading it. Particularly lines like this:

Why is this type of player behavior being allowed and why does the current system implemented even allow it to happen?

Edit: To note I don't even disagree with the premise that people should be allowed to ban other's hovers. It sucks, but if it's not allowed it can lead to some rather unfortunate circumstances. I just want people to actually respond to the topic.

GatekeeperTDS4 votes

In a team game where team cohesion wins games, creating a negative environment from champ select doesn't matter?

And why are posts of this nature always from this one single side? Why is it not the person who JUST HAS TO GODDAMN PLAY A SINGLE CHAMP causing a negative experience for everyone else? That person is butting against the rules of how draft pick goes - you can put your pink intent and ask that you play it, but everyone is ENTITLED to their one ban of any champion.

People who have their champ banned do not react positively. They flip out and troll pick most of the time. So you're dooming your team to fail.

No, the person who acts like a fuckshit because their precious Senna/Yasuo/Vayne/whatever got banned is dooming the team to fail by reacting poorly to the choices that someone else is entitled to. They're pitching a babyfit because they BOO HOO didn't get their way.

provide anecdotes or reasoning as to why it shouldn't be allowed

Anecdotes aren't proof of shit.

I just want people to actually respond to the topic.

No, people ARE responding to the topic. You just want them to agree with you, which isn't happening.

Zardo2 votes

No, the person who acts like a fuckshit because their precious Senna/Yasuo/Vayne/whatever got banned is dooming the team to fail by reacting poorly to the choices that someone else is entitled to. They're pitching a babyfit because they BOO HOO didn't get their way.

Way to characterize this as only happening to groups that already have a negative stigma attached to them. It happens to everyone from time to time.

Anecdotes aren't proof of shit.

They're not, but they can start discussions.

No, people ARE responding to the topic. You just want them to agree with you, which isn't happening.

They aren't responding to the topic, they're restating the fact that people have the ability to ban a champion. Some people are providing valuable input- you are not one of them.

It's actually hilarious- you categorize people who pick troll things(which is completely allowed by the system) as babies, but people who ban other people's champions out of spite aren't.

People queue up for draft with a champion pick in mind generally(especially since people are told to stick to 2-3 champions to climb). If the enemy bans it out, it's no big deal to them. I've seen it happen and seen people play backups or explain they're a onetrick and to be patient with them. They CAN play other champions. A teammate banning out their champion and saying that they specifically did it to spite them is similar to a support taking all the ADC's cs from the beginning of the game because "lmao you're so shit" when the adc asks why.

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GatekeeperTDS4 votes

Ah, resorting to namecalling, lol. I hope I get to see you in draft champ select sometime.

Zardo2 votes

It's not name calling to say you're acting like an ass. To clarify: theres a difference from being an ass and acting LIKE one. Thanks for ignoring my points though.

AlmightyMeatwad2 votes

Yeah I really don't think they're even reading my post or responses, just reacting and not bringing anything to the table aside from "I'm right, you're wrong." and it's much too much beneath them to read what I've posted and actually respond in a conducive manner. They just want to end the conversation altogether.

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AlmightyMeatwad1 votes

No, the person who acts like a fuckshit because their precious Senna/Yasuo/Vayne/whatever got banned is dooming the team to fail by reacting poorly to the choices that someone else is entitled to. They're pitching a babyfit because they BOO HOO didn't get their way.

I never said that I troll my team once my pick is banned. I never said that I "pitch a babyfit" either. Those people also suck to have to play with. Yeah it sucks when my picks are banned but I play something else anyway, I don't know why you just keep assuming that I don't and that I don't still try my best to win the game. These are ranked games we're talking about; trolling and flaming doesn't help anyone win games. The whole reason this is an issue to me is because I'm still being trolled in that game by various other people on my team after the fact, even when I'm not playing the banned champ. The constant flaming that lasts from champion select throughout the entire game is what you're saying is totally allowed simply because someone is free (by the system that exists) to ban my champion.

What I would have liked, was a response from someone from Riot with an explanation as to how they arrived at this being the best system to implement but instead, I'm getting trolled by someone on the boards that doesn't even work for them but acts like their opinion is absolute authority and you hammer down on anyone else that has any opinion that isn't yours. You haven't provided anything to further this conversation, only trying to shut others down with the only argument to your opinion being "That's how it is, if you don't like it don't play the game."

You tell me to play other champs, I do. I play quite a few more champs in ranked games than you did. It seems like you were a one-trick Maokai in Season 9 so maybe I can break it down in terms you can understand. Someone bans your Maokai pick on your own team in 70% of your games. When you ask why they would do that, they respond "Fuck you I don't want that shit on my team". They are the ADC and you are the support. But in lane, they roam around and get killed by the enemy constantly, they don't last hit so they have minuscule farm and they talk shit about you from the time you start the game, till you mute them 5-10 minutes in because all they're doing is trying to make the game as miserable for you as possible without even mentioning that there are 3 other people on the team who are also being defeated by one person's ill behavior. After 10+ games of the same thing over and over again, it really starts to get to you and so you take to the boards to find out why this instance of player behavior isn't being dealt with.

Seriously, the only reason I can think of that you would just blatantly defend how things are now is because you act this way yourself. If you think that it's a pleasant experience to be trolled in good majority of your games then that's on you, but it's not fun for me. Also, the "I'm right, you're stupid" approach really isn't working. If you don't have the decency to read what I've taken my time to write, save yourself the time and stop responding, you're helping no one.

GatekeeperTDS2 votes

Seriously, the only reason I can think of that you would just blatantly defend how things are now is because you act this way yourself.

No, I act within the confines of the rules of the game. In draft pick, bans come first. I don't ban someone's champ just to be a dick, I ban it because I don't want to see it, which is my right in draft pick. If someone bans mine, it's disappointing, but oh well.

AlmightyMeatwad2 votes

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And why are posts of this nature always from this one single side? Why is it not the person who JUST HAS TO GODDAMN PLAY A SINGLE CHAMP causing a negative experience for everyone else? That person is butting against the rules of how draft pick goes - you can put your pink intent and ask that you play it, but everyone is ENTITLED to their one ban of any champion.

This isn't even what this person said. My post was only about the specific situations that are happening to me but indeed it still happens for other various reasons. Trolling someone at the get-go before the game even starts DOES create a negative environment for everyone involved and there's no way in-game to report someone for trolling so hard before the game even starts that someone dodges. In this event, what is happening at this point is someone else is being punished at least 6 minutes for dodging queue with someone that has already made it clear they are going to do everything in their power to cause the game to be a loss. This is ESPECIALLY true when someone mentions that they are in their promo series. People will pick the trollest of picks or flame all game simply because they want to see this person fail their promos so they can laugh at them. That is what the current system allows.

Imperial Pandaa5 votes

Question: What is shadow pick? Do you mean pick without hovering intent?

Cause if the champ you want is banned, and you weren't hovering it, I don't have sympathy for anyone.

Senna is new, new champs always get a lot of scrutiny for like the first month. Part of this is due to the fact people will first time them in ranked in every position.

AlmightyMeatwad2 votes

By shadow-pick I mean the pick is grayed out meaning I have intent on playing it, the very first step in the champion selection process. I literally said that I had picked the champ with shadow-pick meaning my team knew I was going to pick her and that's why they banned her. Not because they didn't want the other team to play her, because they don't want me specifically to play her.

I don't care about the scrutiny, objectively it has nothing to do with me considering my amount of success with the champ specifically. What I'm saying is that people do not give me the same due diligence that I do with them and that's what is not ok.

Imperial Pandaa4 votes

Doesn't it make more sense to say hover than shadow pick? Shorter and more commonly used.

Objectively, the scrutiny of a new champ has everything to do with the people who want to play it. Same with any champ that has a bad rep, like Yasuo. Do I really want to risk this person playing this champ? Many side no when it is a new champ because they don't believe the person is versed enough for them. Because guess what. We aren't going to op.gg everyone to check stats.

AlmightyMeatwad1 votes

"Hover" means that your mouse would be "hovering" over a champion and that doesn't do anything in game. You have to actually select them for it to show up that that is your intent. Hovering is just another term leftover from another MOBA where hovering your mouse over a character would indeed show your intent for playing that character, but it doesn't work that way in League. But I don't care what you call it because I still understand what you mean when you say hovering.

No one is forced to check someone's op.gg and I'm not even suggesting that it should be done. All I'm saying is that anyone's opinion on a champion doesn't affect my actual, mechanical play of that champion.

If you want to argue the fact that the champion is new, that's a moot point. People literally play champs that have existed for years for the first time in ranked without any previous experience with that champion also. "First time xxxxx" is a phrase heard all the time; in ranked as well as in any other game mode that exists. At what point is it acceptable to take a pick into ranked? When a summoner has Master 7 in that champion? Mastery 5? Most ranked games I'm in have at least 2-3 people in them that don't have Mastery 5 with that specific champion yet they play them in ranked anyway. The fact that the champion is new does not mean that I haven't put in game-time with that champ and understand them to the same degree I do any other champion.

Imperial Pandaa5 votes

Hovering in League is showing a champ and not being locked in with it yet. In blinds, it is called hover and in draft styles, pick intent. So these two terms: pick intent and hover are better known to probably a large chunk of the community, but whatever.

Yeah, and depending on what rank you are, people are going to be skeptical on those mechanics. I don't know you, I don't know how your mechanics are. All I know is previous people on champ x have done poorly. So I ban. Don't get me wrong, I don't ban hovers. I'll trust them and either they work or don't. Think of the meme: Yasuo on my team: "lelelel my q makes a funny noise" an ally has been slain Yasuo on enemy team: "omae wa mou shindeiru" Pentakill

Your topic has a focus of the new champ because it is fhe new champ. Yes, there are people who may ban an ally champ regardless. Whether it be for a legitimate reason or not. People will also first time champs in ranked, and it sucks when that happens. They don't usually mention that until after ban phase though. People can pick any champ in any role they want, but people can also ban any champ they want.

AlmightyMeatwad1 votes

You're absolutely spot on with the Yasuo example. What I'm asking is why is this considered ok? Under this assumption that it's fine, I could make a smurf account and simply ban every single one of my mid's intents. In every game. I might lose a good portion of those games but since it's not my main account, what's the problem? Just because you're fully "allowed" to ban any champ, doesn't mean you should, it doesn't mean it's a good idea and it's basis for allowing toxic behavior. I'm saying it's not appropriate because it isn't. How do you defend me banning someone's pick on my team every single game I play? That would make me an asshole, right? I don't want to be an asshole so I don't do these things to other people with no reason at all or based on my own opinion or whims.

Imperial Pandaa2 votes

Yeah, you would be an asshole and if you are doing it purely out of malice to troll, then it really sucks. So in your OP example, 1 I may have an issue with; and the other I would need to wait and see if they actually trolled. The one where they ban her for believing she is a "shit champ" I would not. As that one it is their opinion that she isn't good and they cannot effectively play around her.

I understand why it ruffles your jimmies, and it would be better if people explained or talked it out before banning. It isn't against the rules because there are valid reasons to ban a friendly intent.

AlmightyMeatwad1 votes

Yeah in instances that the champ is just banned and that's the end of it, I can accept that. But in the instances where you pick before your support, and that support also wants the champ but you'll get it first, so they ban it to keep it from you. And then they pick Brand support and fully waveclear your minions to deny you farm or auto attack in the period of time where you would otherwise wait just a bit more to get the last hit, but they auto it right before another minion's attack lands causing you to miss it. Then holding skills until you die after a full skirmish with the enemy botlaners only to make sure to get the kills and then calling you garbage and spam pinging and talking all kinds of bullshit for absolutely no reason at all other than to ruin your experience...

These are the types of things I'm dealing with. It's not just banning the pick, it's all the other crap I deal with after that point.

Krissi21975 votes

You werent here for Yuumi release were you?

AlmightyMeatwad1 votes

Yes but I didn't play her. I didn't support the attitudes then either. I didn't like her kit or how passive she could be played, but I didn't outright ban her when people opted to play her either.

rujitra2 votes

This can literally be turned around the other way - why are other players not allowed to ban the champs they choose to ban?

AlmightyMeatwad3 votes

Thanks for playing devil's advocate but it's the intent of the ban I'm talking about and the trolling after. If someone said "The champ that I picked and play best doesn't work as well with X champ, can you pick someone else?" is completely different from "F*ck you you're not going to play that shit because I say so and for no other reason than that."

rujitra5 votes

But you're literally telling them "f*ck you, you're not going to ban that shit because I say so".

Like, this isn't "devil's advocate". This is me pointing out that whatever logic you try to apply to say that your desire should outweigh that of others - that same logic can also be applied to say that their desire to ban the champion for whatever reason outweighs your desire to play them.

AlmightyMeatwad3 votes

You're right. Everyone is right and everyone is wrong and don't worry about the details.

"But you're literally telling them "f*ck you, you're not going to ban that shit because I say so." Please go back and read what I said. I'm not the one saying this. I'm being told fuck you and fuck off and get the fuck out I don't want to play with that shit. It's all aimed at me, I don't dictate what someone else can and can't play, especially if I don't know how good or bad they are with that specific champ. I'm not saying that my desires of what champ to play is more important than others, I'm actually saying that if there's a mutual respect, you don't ban the champion that someone else says they're going to play. I'm actually saying that this is not a practice I have, myself, of banning other people's picks. I don't do that. What I'm asking is why it's ok that this is the way it is.

rujitra3 votes

You're suggesting that you be allowed to, in essence, tell others to "fuck off you can't ban this" simply because you "shadow pick" it.

You're dictating what other people can and cannot ban - what gives you the right to do that? If there's mutual respect, wouldn't you accept that they may very well want to ban a champion you want to play, and that is their right?

AlmightyMeatwad2 votes

Listen. That's not what I'm trying to accomplish at all. There is a chat box where people can communicate and discuss strategies for picks before the actual Pick phase of champion select. I'm saying that I have never told anyone what to pick. Sometimes I make suggestions when asked or when I feel needed like a tanky pick or someone with more CC or an AP champ when everyone has AD champs selected. I'm saying that I will not outright ban someone else's pick intent without ever communicating why I feel the need that it be something different, but I still don't ban other people's picks. It's a team game and you have to play with these other 3 or 4 people in Solo/Duo queue and you don't have much say over that except for dodging. When I get into a game and immediately without any words whatsoever have a hostile teammate cursing me out and banning my pick, where is my opportunity to respond? I'm saying that if I wanted to, which I DO NOT, I'm fully allowed to ban any of my teams picks every single match and there's nothing they can do about it. What you are saying is that it is ok for anyone else to dictate what champs I get to play but I shouldn't have any say in the champs that I get to play when I'm the player that has to play a different champ. I have literally never said fuck off you can't ban my pick; if I even have a chance to explain my pick, I do so and they can try to steer me in a different direction. But I am getting ZERO chance to even defend my pick. You can play devil's advocate all you want but really, that doesn't get anyone anywhere. You haven't made any suggestions or comments that further this as a discussion, only putting me on blast because the current system functions this way and all I'm asking is why and why it's considered to be acceptable behavior by the community.

ŚtrongMental2 votes

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It's a team game and you have to play with these other 3 or 4 people in Solo/Duo queue and you don't have much say over that except for dodging. When I get into a game and immediately without any words whatsoever have a hostile teammate cursing me out and banning my pick, where is my opportunity to respond?

  1. respond to the except for dodging statement - if someone is being hostile, theres a 75% increase chance that you'll lose and thats because that hostility will demoralize the other players you're playing with 100% of the time. So dodge.

  2. stop shadow picking, then they can't ban it out...

AlmightyMeatwad2 votes

  1. Ok. So how many games should I dodge when this is the case? One? Three? Five in a row? The only being penalized in this situation is the person that dodges because that's the option they have.

  2. So I don't shadow pick and actually DO get the pick and then my support trolls anyway. Yeah I guess I would at least have the pick, but their derogatory conduct afterwards makes my numbers look like shit and there was nothing else I could have done about it but report them after the game. This isn't a solution, it's still part of the problem.

Pika3101 votes

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  1. respond to the except for dodging statement - if someone is being hostile, theres a 75% increase chance that you'll lose and thats because that hostility will demoralize the other players you're playing with 100% of the time. So dodge.

  2. stop shadow picking, then they can't ban it out...

Considering it's Senna he's hovering, everyone who is banning her is likely banning her so the enemy team doesn't pick her. It doesn't matter whether he hovers her or not, Senna bans will continue rolling in until Rito sufficiently nerfs her.

AJStarhiker1 votes

A lot of people don't trust new releases and reworks. It's like that pretty much every time. After that, the champion gets patched and players who like the champion have a better idea what they're doing, and the champion loses the Shiny-New factor for everyone else.

Once the champion cycles through their first free week, things usually settle down.

AlmightyMeatwad1 votes

No one is questioning the way things are, veterans of the game all know exactly how things go when new champs come out. All I'm asking is why is it this way and is it possible that there is a better solution to make things less hostile and toxic for everyone in a game where you're forced to cooperate with random strangers if you want to win.

AJStarhiker1 votes

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No one is questioning the way things are, veterans of the game all know exactly how things go when new champs come out. All I'm asking is why is it this way and is it possible that there is a better solution to make things less hostile and toxic for everyone in a game where you're forced to cooperate with random strangers if you want to win.

It's an attitude problem with those players. Most aren't as good as they think they are and look for reasons to blame the people around them. That includes teammates picking 'bad' champions. What, exactly, do expect Riot to do about attitudes like that they aren't already doing?

AlmightyMeatwad1 votes

It's an attitude problem with those players. Most aren't as good as they think they are and look for reasons to blame the people around them. That includes teammates picking 'bad' champions. What, exactly, do expect Riot to do about attitudes like that they aren't already doing?

Right, so is there anything that can be done better so that this is less of an issue instead of more of an expected outcome to cyclical events in League of Legends?

excelsheet11 votes

I make it a point to ban people's pick intentions. I want to always set the tone that I'm in charge and things are going to go my way.

AJStarhiker1 votes

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I make it a point to ban people's pick intentions. I want to always set the tone that I'm in charge and things are going to go my way.

So, you like to be a dick and piss off random people. Good to know.

TrulyBland1 votes

But you are not in charge, and if people don't feel like doing what you want, things won't go your way. And anybody with more than two brain cells is going to realize this, too. So the only person for whom you're setting the tone here is you.

And if you feel such a need to convince yourself that you are in charge… well… let's just say I think there is probably an underlying reason for that. A reason perhaps worth investigating for yourself. I know I would.

excelsheet12 votes

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But you are not in charge, and if people don't feel like doing what you want, things won't go your way. And anybody with more than two brain cells is going to realize this, too. So the only person for whom you're setting the tone here is you.

And if you feel such a need to convince yourself that you are in charge… well… let's just say I think there is probably an underlying reason for that. A reason perhaps worth investigating for yourself. I know I would.

I am just trying help someone out, man. This person obviously feels helpless in the situation they are describing. I am trying to offer a solution to help them out in life. It's much healthier to take charge and be the difference you want to be. I guess the person could remain miserable and helpless if that is what you want. I think that is kind of sick on your part.

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