Do pottymouths truly deserve a ban? (DISCUSSION)

Lazyis Lizardis·Nov 16, 2016·3 votes·455 views

I've been curious a fair while now with the thought, "Do people who can't control their vocabulary really deserve a full game-restrictive ban?" I know riot has the tools and capability to prevent people from any and all communication from the game itself, and reducing the ping timer to 15 seconds or whatever the muted-ping timer may be.

Thing is...does every aggrevated player need a ban from the game itself? Lets place this hypothetically.

Player X is a fairly decent player of LoL, but is hotheaded, and easily tipped by cocky behavior of other players and so forth. He has even gone forward to give money to the company for producing the game in order to support them.

If a player can't control their mouth, why not just take it away? They can still play the game if they are known not to feed the enemy team or otherwise throw the game on purpose. (I'm not even 100% sure if anyone checks replays related to tribunal reports, etcetera.) There's no real reason to ban them from the whole game altogether if they are just verbally abusive.

Share your thoughts here! And please, no shaming anyone for whatever reason, i made this post solely to hear your thoughts on the matter.

P.S. Where i stand on the matter myself, is that Riot could alter the punishments slightly to Communication Bans and Game Bans instead of Game Bans, but only if there is a clear want form the player-base itself.

12 Comments

AeroWaffleNov 16, 20162 votes

Think about it. Why are they raging in chat? They're using chat as an outlet of their stress. If you plug that hole you're not solving the problem. The problem is they have no self control.

They would just find a different way to show their displeasure. Like trolling. And trolling is much harder to detect than raging in chat.

Lazyis LizardisNov 16, 20161 votes

Tossing slurs at the chatbox isn't the only way to vent about it. Pausing for a moment (albeit unrecommended, it's League afterall.) can help, counting to ten, etcetera. There are a ton of very-brief stress management ways that can help!

As for the trolling, being able to see tribunal reported-matches as replays would help determine if somebody is truly trolling or not if they were theoretically taken away chatting privlidges.

Handy Sandy Nov 16, 20162 votes

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Tossing slurs at the chatbox isn't the only way to vent about it. Pausing for a moment (albeit unrecommended, it's League afterall.) can help, counting to ten, etcetera. There are a ton of very-brief stress management ways that can help!

No troll is gonna do that

AeroWaffleNov 16, 20161 votes

They already have these de-stress choices when they have chat.

But they opted to use chat and yell at others instead.

Kei143Nov 16, 20161 votes

2 yrs ago, Riot would give infinite chat bans,. What they realized is that people will start griefing using gameplay methods. Which ends up to permabans anyways.

You are just prolonging the inevitable outcome with more punishment tiers.

Lazyis LizardisNov 16, 20161 votes

They themselves stated, "Permabanning should be the last thing they want to do." while dealing with people. A chatban would work better as a wake-up call rather than a two-week game ban without chat-restrictions.

Kei143Nov 16, 20162 votes

it is the last thing they want to do, but the grieifing that was performed back in the days was real and forced Riot to have their current stance.

They also said "if they don't reform by 14-day ban, chances are they won't change and we don't want them in our game."

A 14-day ban is a good enough wake up call.

TrulyBlandNov 16, 20161 votes

Now, first off: "Pottymouths" and "People who can't control their vocabulary" do not even get chat restrictions, let alone bans. You can curse all you want, as long as you don't harass others.

You might argue that's nitpicking but it's important to understand that the people who get punishments under Riot's system, are people who, for whatever reason, are trying to harass other players. The majority of people that get hit by a chat restriction learn to control themselves. The same even still applies to 2-week bans. The people that are hit with a permaban however are people that are deemed "unreformable", in that they are either uncapable or unwilling to exert self-control.

What will happen if you chat restrict these players? They still have the urge to piss of their teammates, they just can't type anymore. As a result they will start using other methods to vent their anger and frustration. Trolling, Feeding, Ping-spamming. All of which are still punishable offenses, but in fact are more difficult to detect.

You might think all of this is hypothetical, but this is actually what happened when Riot issued quasi-permanent chat restrictions (hundreds, sometimes thousands of games worth of chat restrictions) to worst offenders. The vast majority of players that would have ended up with a permanent ban under Riot's current system (who were instead hit with quasi-permanent chat restrictions), started doing exactly what I described and ultimately when caught ended up with a permanent ban nonetheless. The only difference is that they got away with their behaviour for longer, being able to create a negative experience for a lot more players.

Lazyis LizardisNov 16, 20161 votes

I previously mentioned that if there was a dedication to see the tribunal replays rather than the sole chatlogs, Trolling and feeding would be easy to tell apart. As for Ping-spamming, being chat restricted or muted reduces the amount of pings you recieve form person to once, and these are timed too to a cooldown.

TrulyBlandNov 16, 20161 votes

You are missing the point: These people had a chance to reform, they had a chance to change their behaviour and didn't. If the detection worked perfectly, they would be almost guaranteed to end up permabanned either way. So with that in mind, why would you let them ruin any more games than they already have?

bad arcade kittyNov 16, 20161 votes

no, chat violations should be punished with chat restrictions, that includes using the "n word" (a literary word btw) and "kys" etc crap

KVbqbFsC8eNov 16, 20161 votes

I don't think the issue is that Riot bans you for words as if you were 5 years old, but they do not ban people for gameplay related offenses. Feeding/trolling ruins games and there is nothing you can do about it. Calling someone "bad" can just be muted and yet you can be permabanned for it. Its just a very silly and flawed system where you will get banned faster for chat than you would for, you know, actually ruining games.