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"I dont gank feeding Lanes" (Aka: "Not my lane, Not my problem")

HavokDash··2 votes·727 views

Then you dont get to flame top laner for: A) Leaving lane (because you like calling everything Intentionally feeding) B) fed enemy top laner coming down to feed off other lanes.

So you have a heavily aggressive tryndamere top, Able to harrass and chip away and then even kill me under tower (clearly a smurf). No help at all from jungle. Top lane getting harrassed and repeatedly pressured even when under tower. Top Loses lane quickly from pressure. And when asked why jungle wouldnt help, the response is "I dont gank feeding lanes"

Well congrats. Then you dont get to rage and complain and report your top laner for "Feeding" because you seem to think "Not my lane? not My problem" Well guess what...NOW IT IS YOUR PROBLEM

I know alot of these halo kids (only concerned with how pretty/inflated thier kda is) seem to forget that all lanes...are on THE SAME MAP. As soon as Enemy top laner is done with Top, they will come for the other lanes too. And you dont get to turn around and flame top laner, accuse them of "inting" when you had no intention of helping them in the first place

Think of it this way. You get cut on the arm. One after another...You do nothing. Your cuts get infected...You do nothing. Your infected cuts turn gangreous. You still do nothing. Your logic becomes "I dont treat infected wounds" (I dont gank/help feeding lanes) You go to the doctor, and they have to amputate your arm. You lose your arm (or the match) you turn around and blame your severed arm for getting damaged. Congrats, you still lost an arm(lost a match) you could have saved but none of your other limbs were getting cut so you did nothing. And you would be lucky if the infection doesnt spread beyond your arm.

its the same logic. But people dont want to risk helping anyone other than themselves because they have become so narcissist and perfectionist. I have seen players actively avoid any situation where they could have easily helped a teammate, but instead they will sit back and watch the teammate die (then turn around and label them as an "inter/feeder") and when asked why, their response is "I -might- have died" Not that death was assured, but there was a SLIGHT chance they might have died and it would have served as a blemish on the "perfect game" they want to achieve so they can get that precious "S" rating at the end of the match.

And when they lose the match and DONT get the S rating, they call to report the player with the most negative KDA as a "inter", a player they could have helped...but that took too much effort.

So yeah. If your attitude is "Not my lane, Not my problem" Then you dont get to turn around and blame the person you hung out in the wind when you lose a match...and THEIR PROBLEM BECOMES YOUR PROBLEM. If it wasnt your problem when it was limited to X lane being pressured, It will be soon.

25 Comments

Silent Gravity5 votes

It can be helpful to gank a lane that is under pressure. But, if a lane is losing too much, then a gank there will put pressure on every other lane, and the opponents could use that to snowball.

It can be helpful to gank a lane that is already ahead to try to snowball objectives, that will, through drawing pressure or giving global gold, help the losing lane catch up.

/Edit: Also, flaming should not be done, no matter the circumstance.

HavokDash1 votes

Yes there are some lanes that are often pressured early game because the champion is "squishy" early game but scales hard, once they get to snowball, they become scary.This is why often the lane being "focused" or "pressured" is often the lane with the greatest snowball potential. The enemy team recognizes "if we dont shut this player down and KEEP them down, they will easily scale out of control" So The best way to counter this is to make sure you know which lanes to prioritize.

But There are people who will actively sit and WATCH a lane. I mean they can see a lane being constantly pressured, they can see the enemy holding the player under thier turret, diving them to make sure to shut them down. I have seen junglers who will sit there in the bushes below top lane, they will watch the enemy top laner pressure and dive me under turret. And rather than try and help me while I am still alive, they wait till after the enemy dives and kills me, runs away, then they go back to thier jungler. And worse yet, if I fall behind because of the pressure, they turn around and accuse me of INTING.

I had a recent match where I got no help from jungle, Was playing Camille top. Had an enemy Teemo who constantly harrassed and poisoned me from range, I couldnt get out from under my tower. And after teemo harrasses me and ends up 4 levels ahead of me, 4/0 teemo (again, no help from jungle ww). I am forced to abandon top and all they do is accuse me of "Greifing" I tell them I cant go against teemo and thier only response is "Stay under tower" (He was able to KILL ME UNDER TOWER) But I get no help and they still want to report me for "griefing/inting" despite me trying to stay under tower, unable to counter him.

Silent Gravity2 votes

Take the action that you think will give your team the best chance at victory. Don't get all worked up if the other players on your team also do the things they think will give your team the best chance at victory, even if those two things are not the same.

Mute and report those who are insulting you.

False reports against you do nothing.

Kei1432 votes

Hmmm... At my ELO (silver 4) , the disparity of success in lane typically lies within player skill (micro and gameplay knowledge).

If we are evenly matched, a jgler can influence the outcome, but if someone is heavily mismatched skillwise, even if I get people the gold lead through repeatative ganks / roams, they'll end up dying again cos they don't know to play against the enemy.

I assume the same applies to higher elos up until Master tier.

FlyingRoboticCow5 votes

It is not a junglers job to win your lane for you nor save you in a losing lane. If a jungler doesn't think ganking your lane is worth while that's their call and complaining about it is only going to ensure they're not going to help you. If i'm jungling and a lane says one thing about how their not getting ganks or something along those lines I will never assist that lane I don't care if they're getting dove every time they reenter lane. Don't bite the hand that you're expecting to feed you.

HavokDash1 votes

If that is the case and you are actively seeing a lane struggling, Just because You see they arent playing to a skill YOU expect them to play at, Then you dont get to blame THEM when the match ends up being lost because you saw them as nothing but a liability.

I do Not expect jungler to play My lane FOR me, BUT a Jungler should be there to help get the enemy's Boot off my neck long enough that I can get a foothold myself. If a jungler doesnt think ganking a struggling lane that may actually just be being focused because of thier late game potential (best way to stop late game potential is to harrass it and squish it early game before they get a foothold). Then it is YOUR fault the match is lost, Not the junglers. Yes they may have unintentionally fed, But thats what the enemy WANTED, they wanted that player to be behind. And yet people like you hold themselves so far above thier teammates, you dont see the connection that THEIR problem early game, if left unchecked, Is YOUR problem late game. All because you see helping a lane that is perhaps struggling Early game as "not worth it" Well then I guess helping your team make a comeback is "not worth it". And you can enjoy your loss.

FlyingRoboticCow4 votes

I didn't say i'll never gank a struggling lane ( i actually love ganking a struggling lane for the shut down gold), but if you're 0-3 and down thirty cs at ten minutes then its very likely that I can't help your lane even if i wanted to. I mean i'm not gonna gank a lane that more than likely will just give that laner a double kill.

The biggest issue I have is that people are only seeing it from their perspective they aren't thinking about what a jungler is giving up to gank your lane or whether or not your lane is even gankable ( a good example of this is that i'll gank for a Maoki in a heart beat because of his tremendous gank assist but if you're playing Quinn and you're lane isn't in an ideal spot to gank then i'm not wasting my time)

Now as for holding myself far above my teammates I've never done that because (in ranked at least) if they're in your game you're the same skill level or at least fairly close.

As for not seeing the connection between the early game and late game I don't think we have enough time for me to explain how idiotic that is for multiple reason's but i'll cover the basics real quick. If you're getting ganked a lot and dying you obviously don't see the connection between you're ability to control wave position/warding/playing safe and your susceptibility to ganks nor do you see that my time is probably better spent taking objectives or getting one of our other lanes ahead/farther ahead instead of trying to pull your ass outta the fire because you refuse to play safe/go a tankier build.

HavokDash1 votes

Learn to break up your sentences and paragraphs. My eyes bleed just trying to read that wall of text. I will come back once you actually make it readable.

FlyingRoboticCow1 votes

hows that

HavokDash1 votes

Much better, thank you.

I didn't say i'll never gank a struggling lane ( i actually love ganking a struggling lane for the shut down gold), but if you're 0-3 and down thirty cs at ten minutes then its very likely that I can't help your lane even if i wanted to. I mean i'm not gonna gank a lane that more than likely will just give that laner a double kill.

I can understand being hesitant. But as I said I have had junglers who will sit and watch from the tribush in top lane. They wont gank, or anything, just sit and watch (like....want some popcorn while you enjoy me dangling on a hook). And alot of these smurfs know that certain champs have to be shut down and kept down from the start.So they push you under tower and wont let you farm AT ALL. Any time you try and last hit, they dive in and try and take out as much of your health as fast as possible. Its one thing to be cautious, its another thing to actively sit and watch a player struggle right from the first and then turn around and use that first death as "I dont gank feeding lanes". This thereby gives the enemy laner a free pass because they Know you have hung that particular lane out and basically said "you are on your own". These same players will then turn around and accuse that lane of "intentionally feeding" as some sort of validation "well he was inting/feeding so of course I wasnt gonna gank his lane"

The biggest issue I have is that people are only seeing it from their perspective they aren't thinking about what a jungler is giving up to gank your lane or whether or not your lane is even gankable ( a good example of this is that i'll gank for a Maoki in a heart beat because of his tremendous gank assist but if you're playing Quinn and you're lane isn't in an ideal spot to gank then i'm not wasting my time)

as far as I am concerned, as Long as I am able to get the boot off my neck, given a chance to recover some farm, and maybe make a comeback, I dont care if the jungler takes the kill as payment for ganking. I dont care if they tax the current wave, I can just farm the next. All I need is a chance to actually pick myself up. But no one cares about anyone but themselves because it might blemish thier precious record and take away that S rating at the end.

Now as for holding myself far above my teammates I've never done that because (in ranked at least) if they're in your game you're the same skill level or at least fairly close. You may not do it yourself, but for majority of this community, Yeah they do that. why do you think the popular phrase is "cant carry this trash team"? Because players dont care that you may be in the same ranking. They still see themselves as superior/above the rest of thier team. They see themselves as plats being forced to play with the lowly bronzies. Lost count how many times I have to hear "I should be in gold/plat/diamond but stuck with these trash kids" Yeah you can mute it. But the arrogance and elitist attitude comes across loud and clear, Everyone thinks they are "too good for this team" so of course they are not gonna stick thier neck out to help someone they see as "beneath" them.

As for not seeing the connection between the early game and late game I don't think we have enough time for me to explain how idiotic that is for multiple reason's but i'll cover the basics real quick. If you're getting ganked a lot and dying you obviously don't see the connection between you're ability to control wave position/warding/playing safe and your susceptibility to ganks nor do you see that my time is probably better spent taking objectives or getting one of our other lanes ahead/farther ahead instead of trying to pull your ass outta the fire because you refuse to play safe/go a tankier build.

Oh I can see the connection just fine. And yeah, I try and play safe under tower if I can. But if the enemy team actually knows how to work TOGETHER and the enemy team actually plays as a team. They can burst me down under my own tower regardless of how "Safe" I play.

I actually just got out of a game (Not on this account) where I started behind. But jungle DID gank, DID help give me a chance to pick myself up. I was able to recover and get some farm, enough to buy some defensive items and able to contribute to help my team. This allowed me to Farm without risk of being 1-shot, thereby helping us actually win. and again, No I was not expecting my jungler to play my lane for me. as I said. JUngler isnt supposed to play my lane for me, just help get the boot off my neck so i can breathe and pick myself up. Jungler helped, Mid Helped. I was able to pick myself up and get proper defensive items after a bit of recovery farm. And Thus help the rest of my team keep the enemy from turning the match again. Jungle didnt sit there watching me die with a bucket of popcorn, laughing and mocking me and then saying how they "dont gank feeding lanes" when they wouldnt do a thing to help me in the first place and consider going 0/1 as "You are feeding, you are on your own. I dont gank feeding lanes" Jungler gave me a chance, I made the best use of it, and was able to actually help contribute to winning the match. I dont care who gets the kills, because I am more focused on taking the nexus, not treating the game like a halo Free for all match where all that matters is who gets to brag about "most kills, bruh"

FlyingRoboticCow2 votes

Also (there really is no way of saying this without it sounding rude) you're focusing on the wrong thing mate. You're B5(with a losing win rate no less) which means that you're own personal play(the thing you should be focusing on) is so poor that even if a jungler did gank for you to help get you fed or get to late game the chances of you carrying is so low that it isn't worth the time invested. Instead of complaining about the other people in your game focus on your own play because you're going to be in every game.

HavokDash1 votes

No actually I can play safe, and BTW this is not my current account. But people are too busy coming into the game and they treat it like a Halo Free for all. They DONT care about thier team, They DONT care about winning, THEY DONT care about Objectives. All they do care about is "Look at all my kills, Look how Op -I- am" and they are happy to screw over thier whole team if it means they can add +1 to thier kill count. As I said, Alot of these wont even Blink unless it personally affects THEM. But Everyone shares the same map. So If The rest of the team loses lane...guess what. YOU LOSE LANE TOO.

People play this game like every single lane is a seperate game in itself. They will ignore their team and act like they dont exist. Even going so far as to say "How did we lose, I won my lane/got the most kills" They cant see beyond their own kda, as if its CoD. People only look at thier own kda, and will completely ignore the rest of the team...and yet oddly enough if someone doesnt do what THEY say, all of a sudden it becomes "You are not helping the rest of the team" Thats why I say people use the phrase "its a team game" only when its convenient for them.

if they only care about thier own kda, they say "there is no obligation to me to help X Lane" (thereby ignoring the rest of the team) But if Someone isnt doing what THEY want, all of a sudden that player isnt "thinking of the team" or "not contributing to a team game"

FlyingRoboticCow1 votes

Based off of what you're saying i'm going to go out on a limb and say your main account isn't much higher than this one (why post on this account instead of main no one believes its not your main) because what you're describing is not even close to the reality of any game with decent players.

ClevelandfCj2 votes

No.... the more likely reason a jungler might not help is that its a waste of resources to help a lane that is getting clobbered. The Jungler is usually better off focusing lanes he can snowball, or work on snowballing themselves through farm/kills in other lanes. Look, if youre outskilled, even if your jungler evens-up your lane, then you still wont know what to do... the better player will still have priority in rotations etc. Meanwhile, your midlaner gets camped and then falls behind and suddenly 4vs3 botlane... then drake etc etc. All because some unskilled top laner crying for ganks.... this is typical low ELO thinking....

Granted, sometimes your jungler should focus your lane, especially if you have CC and 2v1 kill pressure. However, if you pick a no CC carry top lane, and your just getting outskilled (unable to CS and losing tower pre-10 minutes) you've put your team in such a huge hole..... that maybe you need to focus on yourself and not your jungler.

HavokDash1 votes

Actually in my experience, it is the character the enemy team sees as the biggest potential threat that they focus. Why do they harrass and be super agressive to one lane and not the others? Because that opponent has the potential to be a threat and they Need to make sure to shut the player down before they can snowball. I have had games where I have come back from behind because the jungler was willing to put in an investment and Help me get back on my feet, They kept the enemy off me long enough for me to get a bit of farm and buy defensive items, so I could survive longer and turn the tide. Eventually I had enough defense and damage i was able to contribute to fights, and we ended up winning.

And In other games I get junglers who will completely ignore any lane till "after 6" and by that time multiple lanes are lost, and the jungler blames the laners when all they needed was a bit of help to get a foothold. I often know what to do, But cant catch a breath long enough to do it. Enemy laner Denies CS and jungle immediately thinks "u just sukk" when the enemy laner actually knows how to push and pressure me under my own tower. Again, mOst times the pressure is because they KNOW you snowball hard late game, and the best way to prevent that is to MAKE SURE you cant get any traction early game. Make sure you cant leave respawn, make sure you cant effectively CS. and If jungle is that eager and willing to help a lane in any way (again, watched junglers sit and watch from the river bush as if waiting for a bucket of popcorn while I get hammered under my own tower, then run away after I am dead) They dont get to blame me when they advertize to the enemy team that they have no interest in helping top lane, so the other lanes start coming in for free kills, 2v1, 3v1...meanwhile jungle accuses me of "Inting"

I dont int, I have more self respect than that. Jungler has told the enemy team without any words "Whatever happens in top lane, I am not helping" so shouldnt be suprised when the enemy team camps top for free kills, because They KNOW jungler wont do anything, that the lane has been abandoned/written off.

ClevelandfCj1 votes

Buddy, you have a 43% winrate in bronze 5.

Just stop typing and read. You can get better, but only if you remove your ego. BTW, I dont disagree with everything you say... but wow, your inability to take constructive criticism is quite annoying.

Awf Meta1 votes

It is a tough situation with no obvious answers.

If the jungler comes to your lane, you will lose XP and gold. Inhibiting your ability to come back. If the jungler dies, probably going to make things much worst because the junglers life would be worth more gold to the enemy.

Also, if the jungler is in your lane, they aren't in the others. Perfect opportunity for the enemy to gank a different lane or get a neutral objective.

Ideally, you need to ask for help before things get out of control.

That is from the perspective of a good jungler. None of that matters for a bad jungler. A bad jungler is toxic on purpose and has nothing to do with you. There is not much you can do about an intentionally bad jungler.

HavokDash1 votes

I am willing to take the XP loss and gold in return for getting the enemy top laner off my throat. And I will usually try and chip them down as much as I can in order to make sure the jungler can at least get a kill off it. But junglers are so vindictive that they are happy to sit there and watch you die, then turn around and claim they "dont gank feeding lanes" People seem to expect everyone to play at a master teir level, even in low bronze. But if you get a bad matchup and struggle in lane, they are happy to leave you to struggle in the breeze in order to make an example of you and use "I dont gank feeding lanes" as an excuse

Awf Meta1 votes

I am willing to take the XP loss and gold in return for getting the enemy top laner off my throat.

Convey that to your jungler. Most people throw fits when junglers stay "too long" or "over tax". Hell, I've seen people rage when a jungler is farming an empty lane.

And I will usually try and chip them down as much as I can in order to make sure the jungler can at least get a kill off it.

While that is not a bad idea, you might be suffering from blood lust. Some times a jungler just needs to show up to give you some breathing room. A kill is not always needed. Certainly appreciated though.

But junglers are so vindictive that they are happy to sit there and watch you die, then turn around and claim they "dont gank feeding lanes" People seem to expect everyone to play at a master teir level, even in low bronze. But if you get a bad matchup and struggle in lane, they are happy to leave you to struggle in the breeze in order to make an example of you and use "I dont gank feeding lanes" as an excuse

That is not a jungler problem. That is simply a toxic person. Don't throw all junglers under the bus because of the toxic ones.

swordofsun1 votes

I'm gonna say this with all the love in the world.

You need to make your lane gankable to the jungler. You need to be respectful to the jungler. They have 3 lanes and their jungle to manage, they can't babysit whoever is having a hard time. Politely request assistance and accept that the assistance may take the form of them killing scuttle and then helping blow the enemy laner's flash, not sticking around for a kill.

It looks like you're one tricking Gragas, but haven't figured out a build. Check out op.gg or something? Having a good build and starting items/runes can really improve your early game.

Toplane is often a lonely island. A lot of people like this. If it's not something you can handle then perhaps try some different positions. Check out jungler just to get an idea of what the jungler deals with.

Don't be afraid to roam. If you're gonna lose tower anyways then roam mid or bot. Help those lanes get ahead.

Also, it is 100% okay to not follow someone in because you're going to die. It's better for 1 person to die than for 2.

Again, all the love in the world.

HavokDash1 votes

Keep in mind this is an OLD account, not an active one, not my current one. So The matches are Out of date.

You need to make your lane gankable to the jungler. You need to be respectful to the jungler. They have 3 lanes and their jungle to manage, they can't babysit whoever is having a hard time. Politely request assistance and accept that the assistance may take the form of them killing scuttle and then helping blow the enemy laner's flash, not sticking around for a kill.

If I see the enemy jungle, I will try and leash enemies down, keep close to my tower, and watch. But this community has become so vindictive and self centered I can ask for help and get told "stfu dont sukk so much" I understand they have other lanes to manage. But if they completely cut off a player who is struggling, they dont get to blame that player for the loss, especially when it rings a dinner bell to the enemy team.

Toplane is often a lonely island. A lot of people like this. If it's not something you can handle then perhaps try some different positions. Check out jungler just to get an idea of what the jungler deals with.

I main support, I got sick of being the verbal punching bag to arrogant little toddlers who I can keep alive long enough to get them a triple/quadra kill, only to be told immediately after How "useless support" I am and how the triple/quadra was "all me" in thier eyes. I played no part in keeping them alive and healed, ccing the enemy, helping chip the enemy down. etc. Also I am not a one-trick. I have basic knowledge of all lanes. When I get Auto-filled. I dont beg and plead and throw a tantrum to get other lanes, I use it to study the role.

Don't be afraid to roam. If you're gonna lose tower anyways then roam mid or bot. Help those lanes get ahead.

Tried that, Got harrassed by a 4/0 teemo with no help who was able to chip me down and poison me under my own tower. Roamed to try and help other lanes and my team immediately started flaming me and telling me how I was "Greifing" by not returning to top lane to go against the 4/0 teemo already 3+ levels ahead of me. While jungler laughs in my face. This community is so petty and pathetic they will look for ANYTHING they can report someone on to make themselves feel better. Report tool isnt a tool to clean up the community, its a weapon to beat your team over the head with when they dont do/play how you want.

Also, it is 100% okay to not follow someone in because you're going to die. It's better for 1 person to die than for 2.

this I know.

Colgate Gator1 votes

{quoted}

Then you dont get to flame top laner for: A) Leaving lane (because you like calling everything Intentionally feeding)

Whew, that was a short read! Thanks for opening like that.

Primaquarius1 votes

It was long time pros like Neace who said abandon losing lanes when playing Jungle, let that sink in

HavokDash1 votes

If a jungler abandons a lane because they are struggling early game, they dont get to blame the laner when thier job becomes that much harder. If you dont gank a lane, it basically tells the enemy team they are free to camp/gank a lane all they want and 2/3v1 for free kills, becuuse the jungler has already written off the lane and will just blame the laner for "inting" anyways as some form of validation. So the enemy team focusses on snagging as many free kills as possible because they KNOW the jungler will not do anything to stop them, and just turn around and flame the laner instead as an "intentional feeder" no matter how hard they try and fight off the pressure.

Then guess what, That lane's problem becomes YOUR problem. Maybe you should let THAT sink in. You leave a teammate to flap in the breeze, You lose the match. You are all on the same map. If your team loses, YOU lose.

ValyrianBlade1 votes

Have to say, I understand the idea (by ganking a losing Lane you may just be giving them food for a day (a brief respite) but they'll be hungry again tomorrow (you reset their gold value and they're still going to lose to their Lane opponent 1v1), whereas ganking a winning/even Lane could get them ahead to carry against your losing Lane).

That said, I've had comments in game actually from players saying my KDA is bad and they don't get how my win rate is so good (jerks trying to convince me to give them my role). The short of it is I'm willing to take a death if the play was good for the team. I'll die for an inhibitor. I'll die for a favorable teamfight. I'll risk a roam on a losing lane. It wouldn't surprise me that there are players that won't help a losing Lane because they're too concerned about their KDA which is absolutely the wrong reason. As someone who used to play top, I won Lane 1v1 almost every game but also lost Lane almost every game. Largely because I'd get ganked first, get ganked often, get tower dove, etc... And junglers wouldn't help. There's a difference between someone losing Lane 1v1 to a better opponent, and someone that's a bit behind because they're getting camped and despite that can still beat their opponent 1v1...

However it definitely sounds like you were losing the 1v1 in this case.

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