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"I dont gank feeding Lanes" (Aka: "Not my lane, Not my problem")

HavokDash·3/6/2018, 6:19:04 AM·2 votes·727 views

Then you dont get to flame top laner for: A) Leaving lane (because you like calling everything Intentionally feeding) B) fed enemy top laner coming down to feed off other lanes.

So you have a heavily aggressive tryndamere top, Able to harrass and chip away and then even kill me under tower (clearly a smurf). No help at all from jungle. Top lane getting harrassed and repeatedly pressured even when under tower. Top Loses lane quickly from pressure. And when asked why jungle wouldnt help, the response is "I dont gank feeding lanes"

Well congrats. Then you dont get to rage and complain and report your top laner for "Feeding" because you seem to think "Not my lane? not My problem" Well guess what...NOW IT IS YOUR PROBLEM

I know alot of these halo kids (only concerned with how pretty/inflated thier kda is) seem to forget that all lanes...are on THE SAME MAP. As soon as Enemy top laner is done with Top, they will come for the other lanes too. And you dont get to turn around and flame top laner, accuse them of "inting" when you had no intention of helping them in the first place

Think of it this way. You get cut on the arm. One after another...You do nothing. Your cuts get infected...You do nothing. Your infected cuts turn gangreous. You still do nothing. Your logic becomes "I dont treat infected wounds" (I dont gank/help feeding lanes) You go to the doctor, and they have to amputate your arm. You lose your arm (or the match) you turn around and blame your severed arm for getting damaged. Congrats, you still lost an arm(lost a match) you could have saved but none of your other limbs were getting cut so you did nothing. And you would be lucky if the infection doesnt spread beyond your arm.

its the same logic. But people dont want to risk helping anyone other than themselves because they have become so narcissist and perfectionist. I have seen players actively avoid any situation where they could have easily helped a teammate, but instead they will sit back and watch the teammate die (then turn around and label them as an "inter/feeder") and when asked why, their response is "I -might- have died" Not that death was assured, but there was a SLIGHT chance they might have died and it would have served as a blemish on the "perfect game" they want to achieve so they can get that precious "S" rating at the end of the match.

And when they lose the match and DONT get the S rating, they call to report the player with the most negative KDA as a "inter", a player they could have helped...but that took too much effort.

So yeah. If your attitude is "Not my lane, Not my problem" Then you dont get to turn around and blame the person you hung out in the wind when you lose a match...and THEIR PROBLEM BECOMES YOUR PROBLEM. If it wasnt your problem when it was limited to X lane being pressured, It will be soon.

25 Comments

FlyingRoboticCow3/6/2018, 6:37:20 AM5 votes

It is not a junglers job to win your lane for you nor save you in a losing lane. If a jungler doesn't think ganking your lane is worth while that's their call and complaining about it is only going to ensure they're not going to help you. If i'm jungling and a lane says one thing about how their not getting ganks or something along those lines I will never assist that lane I don't care if they're getting dove every time they reenter lane. Don't bite the hand that you're expecting to feed you.

Silent Gravity3/6/2018, 6:31:14 AM5 votes

It can be helpful to gank a lane that is under pressure. But, if a lane is losing too much, then a gank there will put pressure on every other lane, and the opponents could use that to snowball.

It can be helpful to gank a lane that is already ahead to try to snowball objectives, that will, through drawing pressure or giving global gold, help the losing lane catch up.

/Edit: Also, flaming should not be done, no matter the circumstance.

ClevelandfCj3/6/2018, 7:55:19 PM2 votes

No.... the more likely reason a jungler might not help is that its a waste of resources to help a lane that is getting clobbered. The Jungler is usually better off focusing lanes he can snowball, or work on snowballing themselves through farm/kills in other lanes. Look, if youre outskilled, even if your jungler evens-up your lane, then you still wont know what to do... the better player will still have priority in rotations etc. Meanwhile, your midlaner gets camped and then falls behind and suddenly 4vs3 botlane... then drake etc etc. All because some unskilled top laner crying for ganks.... this is typical low ELO thinking....

Granted, sometimes your jungler should focus your lane, especially if you have CC and 2v1 kill pressure. However, if you pick a no CC carry top lane, and your just getting outskilled (unable to CS and losing tower pre-10 minutes) you've put your team in such a huge hole..... that maybe you need to focus on yourself and not your jungler.

FlyingRoboticCow3/6/2018, 7:55:18 AM2 votes

Also (there really is no way of saying this without it sounding rude) you're focusing on the wrong thing mate. You're B5(with a losing win rate no less) which means that you're own personal play(the thing you should be focusing on) is so poor that even if a jungler did gank for you to help get you fed or get to late game the chances of you carrying is so low that it isn't worth the time invested. Instead of complaining about the other people in your game focus on your own play because you're going to be in every game.

Primaquarius3/6/2018, 10:22:37 PM1 votes

It was long time pros like Neace who said abandon losing lanes when playing Jungle, let that sink in

ValyrianBlade3/7/2018, 2:34:30 PM1 votes

Have to say, I understand the idea (by ganking a losing Lane you may just be giving them food for a day (a brief respite) but they'll be hungry again tomorrow (you reset their gold value and they're still going to lose to their Lane opponent 1v1), whereas ganking a winning/even Lane could get them ahead to carry against your losing Lane).

That said, I've had comments in game actually from players saying my KDA is bad and they don't get how my win rate is so good (jerks trying to convince me to give them my role). The short of it is I'm willing to take a death if the play was good for the team. I'll die for an inhibitor. I'll die for a favorable teamfight. I'll risk a roam on a losing lane. It wouldn't surprise me that there are players that won't help a losing Lane because they're too concerned about their KDA which is absolutely the wrong reason. As someone who used to play top, I won Lane 1v1 almost every game but also lost Lane almost every game. Largely because I'd get ganked first, get ganked often, get tower dove, etc... And junglers wouldn't help. There's a difference between someone losing Lane 1v1 to a better opponent, and someone that's a bit behind because they're getting camped and despite that can still beat their opponent 1v1...

However it definitely sounds like you were losing the 1v1 in this case.

Awf Meta3/6/2018, 1:30:00 PM1 votes

It is a tough situation with no obvious answers.

If the jungler comes to your lane, you will lose XP and gold. Inhibiting your ability to come back. If the jungler dies, probably going to make things much worst because the junglers life would be worth more gold to the enemy.

Also, if the jungler is in your lane, they aren't in the others. Perfect opportunity for the enemy to gank a different lane or get a neutral objective.

Ideally, you need to ask for help before things get out of control.

That is from the perspective of a good jungler. None of that matters for a bad jungler. A bad jungler is toxic on purpose and has nothing to do with you. There is not much you can do about an intentionally bad jungler.

swordofsun3/6/2018, 6:58:16 PM1 votes

I'm gonna say this with all the love in the world.

You need to make your lane gankable to the jungler. You need to be respectful to the jungler. They have 3 lanes and their jungle to manage, they can't babysit whoever is having a hard time. Politely request assistance and accept that the assistance may take the form of them killing scuttle and then helping blow the enemy laner's flash, not sticking around for a kill.

It looks like you're one tricking Gragas, but haven't figured out a build. Check out op.gg or something? Having a good build and starting items/runes can really improve your early game.

Toplane is often a lonely island. A lot of people like this. If it's not something you can handle then perhaps try some different positions. Check out jungler just to get an idea of what the jungler deals with.

Don't be afraid to roam. If you're gonna lose tower anyways then roam mid or bot. Help those lanes get ahead.

Also, it is 100% okay to not follow someone in because you're going to die. It's better for 1 person to die than for 2.

Again, all the love in the world.

Colgate Gator3/6/2018, 8:03:30 PM1 votes

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Then you dont get to flame top laner for: A) Leaving lane (because you like calling everything Intentionally feeding)

Whew, that was a short read! Thanks for opening like that.