This is why permabans aren't a good thing

haha retard·Dec 3, 2016·4 votes·1,846 views

Welp, shit happens I guess...and shit will happen again. With this being said, this ban doesnt mean shit to me, if people keep pretending to be funny or tough by banning the champion I want to play, I will troll the fuck back out of them. If Riot Games thinks banning me in that situation is the solution for this problem, then go on, ban my next account and the next one and the next one and so on. I will continue just the way I was -Shaclone

Prime example of why permanent bans don't create a healthy environment or remove toxic players. They just create Tyler1 and now Shaclone, or Tyler2.

68 Comments

Final Spark LuxDec 3, 201625 votes

Perm bans didnt create their toxicity, their toxicity created permanent bans.

EvilDustManDec 3, 201616 votes

Most people don't continue to be toxic. If Shaclone wants an indefinite ban, okay.

haha retardDec 3, 20162 votes

Do some research before just stating that people don't continue because it happens time and time again. Just because you see a "did you know" in leagues loading screen doesn't mean it's true. Which is why things like Tyler1 and Shaclone are just occurring. Previous to permanent bans, there was never, EVER a toxic streamer who would int and flame but now there are due to permanent bans. Also funny how quick you are to downvote, can't wait until there's millions of Shaclone's and Tyler1's in all our games because ultimately that's what it's going to come down to.

EvilDustManDec 3, 20163 votes

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Do some research before just stating that people don't continue because it happens time and time again. Just because you see a "did you know" in leagues loading screen doesn't mean it's true. Which is why things like Tyler1 and Shaclone are just occurring. Previous to permanent bans, there was never, EVER a toxic streamer who would int and flame but now there are due to permanent bans. Also funny how quick you are to downvote, can't wait until there's millions of Shaclone's and Tyler1's in all our games because ultimately that's what it's going to come down to.

Streamers are not a significant part of the player base. And, unfortunately, being an ass gets you views.

haha retardDec 4, 20161 votes

The people that watch are a significant part of the player base. Watching streamers that are assholes also drives other who support that streamer to be an ass.

MartensiticDec 3, 20167 votes

Previous to permanent bans, there was never, EVER a toxic streamer who would int and flame but now there are due to permanent bans.

Flat out wrong.

haha retardDec 4, 20161 votes

Provide some examples of streamers that were toxic, or would intentionally feed on stream during season 3.

It's flat out wrong right? This should be an easy one to answer.

BettnachlegerDec 4, 20162 votes

VMAN7, Rainman, Shaclone (he is a asshole for a looooong time now)

BIackfoxDec 3, 20162 votes

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Most people don't continue to be toxic. If Shaclone wants an indefinite ban, okay.

You are the people i hate the most on league. The riot fan boys who defend this greedy ass shithole of a company no matter what they do. And think auto fill is the greatest idea in history and the current state of the jg. And yeah being a ass is fun to watch. Not being all nice like you, that is boring and no one wants to watch shit like that.

EvilDustManDec 3, 20166 votes

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You are the people i hate the most on league. The riot fan boys who defend this greedy ass shithole of a company no matter what they do. And think auto fill is the greatest idea in history and the current state of the jg. And yeah being a ass is fun to watch. Not being all nice like you, that is boring and no one wants to watch shit like that.

An ass.

MartensiticDec 3, 20166 votes

You are the people i hate the most on league. The streamer fan boys who defend their toxic idols no matter what they do.

BIackfoxDec 3, 20161 votes

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You are the people i hate the most on league. The streamer fan boys who defend their toxic idols no matter what they do.

Yes because they are fun to watch, other streamers sit there with their dicks on their hands doing nothing or saying nothing fun. Why would I want to watch Some thing that will put me to sleep?

MartensiticDec 4, 20163 votes

People being abused, insulted and trolled by an immature, insecure and socially incapable man-child with an over-inflated Ego and the sense of humor of a dead rodent is fun?

Get help.

BIackfoxDec 4, 20161 votes

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People being abused, insulted and trolled by an immature, insecure and socially incapable man-child with an over-inflated Ego and the sense of humor of a dead rodent is fun?

Get help.

Insulting someone. Very mature of you

MartensiticDec 4, 20163 votes

The forums are governed by a different set of rules than the ingame chat.

Calling someone a moron if he behaves like a moron, is not forbidden here.

Nice try trolling though.

BeatzBoyFTWDec 3, 20165 votes

The riot fan boys who defend this greedy ass shithole of a company no matter what they do.

It's because we're mature enough to not talk shit & intentional feed like immature Shaclone does.

And think auto fill is the greatest idea in history and the current state of the jg.

Find me 3 threads who thinks autofill is great. And those who complained about the jungle being too strong didn't finished their jungle item, so their complain was void.

And yeah being a ass is fun to watch.

But if I were being an ass in your game, SUDDENLY you will have a problem. Double standards.

BIackfoxDec 3, 20161 votes

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It's because we're mature enough to not talk shit & intentional feed like immature Shaclone does.

Find me 3 threads who thinks autofill is great. And those who complained about the jungle being too strong didn't finished their jungle item, so their complain was void.

But if I were being an ass in your game, SUDDENLY you will have a problem. Double standards.

Mature? Do you get bullied all the time at school and take it as well? Not fight back? Lmfao..... "Sorry I wasn't going to pick the champ you wanted, who do you want me to play?"

BeatzBoyFTWDec 3, 20164 votes

Why even bother fighting back at some fat kid who just bullies for attention? And why even bother bringing this kind of analogy into the internet, where I'm assuming you're implying that people believes when toxic people say "Imma find your IP address & slit your throat"?

President Swa1nDec 7, 20161 votes

I personally don't like autofill in terms of what it means to me, but I see it like taxes. I think they're kind of necessary for game queues.

OelykDec 3, 20166 votes

Died at tyler2

President Swa1nDec 7, 20162 votes

Shaclone = Tyler2

#TrendIt

Nasus WithersDec 3, 20165 votes

So I am going to start my argument by stating - yes, I watch and like Shaclone. I still watch him now after he got banned, though not as much as i did before because there are other streamers that i recently found, but I watch him none-the-less.

However, what he did was toxic, and when it comes to intentionally feeding it is one the most annoying and unpleasant of the toxic behaviours that can be exhibited by a player (part of the reason I went looking for other streamers). I think there have been several good points made that oftentimes when Shaclone did his "blue shen" it was simply a confrontation between him and one other player on his team and the other 3 players on his team got the horrible luck of being stuck in the feed fest. Shaclone was not in the right to do his blue shen just because one player banned his champ and talked trash. It is very upsetting when someone in your game specifically bans your champ and says "I don't trust champion's name players at this elo", or something along that lines. In the case of Shaclone it was more than just that, it was players actively seeking to aggravate a response and they got one, but that doesn't put shaclone in the right.

On the other hand, I do want to say that there should be a way to report players when they do this bs and ban your champion because they think they are being funny or they doubt your skill. Like wtf, who do these people think they are? On top of that, the people who do that sort of thing usually end up being toxic in-game and sure they get reported for it, but if we aren't going to get a specific report option for this kind of behavior, couldn't we at least put in a feature in champ select where a champion cannot be banned by a fellow teammate if you choose it as what you intend to play? It just seems like Shaclone was the only one punished (punished for a very good reason) when there were other people who I doubt will ever even receive a message from riot.

No one can reasonably deny that Shaclone deserved his ban, but if he is going to be punished cant we at least see some sort of reaction from Riot in the form of extra reporting options, or changes to how champ select works? gl on the rift summoners

AeroWaffleDec 3, 20164 votes

Shaclone got banned because he intentionally threw games when some of his teammates slighted him in some way. If this were just between two people, it would just make both sides guilty of trolling.

But that's the thing, it's never just between two people when he throws the game. Him and the person he's angry at are not the only people on the team. There's three other players in the game that usually did nothing to troll Shaclone, but he trolls them anyway. Heck, in one situation, he trolls a Malzahar that even gave his jungler role to Shaclone in champion select when requested. All because he got angry at some other players on the team. If that Malzahar were to follow the same principles of Shaclone, they would consider it perfectly within their right to intentionally throw the next game they find themselves with Shaclone.

BIackfoxDec 3, 20163 votes

Yeah and shaclone didn't deserve the ban so it is riots fault. If your own team bans your champ you deserve to lose. I do the same thing

DamagefoxDec 3, 20164 votes

Yeah because of Meta. Its enforced so rigidly now that anyone who doesnt comply with meta is automatically troll. Its like your team thinks THEY get to decide what you play. Rather than work with the person to determine thier strategy, Spoiled toddlers think "they know better" than you, so they get to decide what you play, who you play, what items you build. When you go where?. They will ban your champ as a way of saying "No, I get to decide what you get to play. You dont get to play to your strengths, You will play WHAT I TELL YOU YOU CAN PLAY. And If you refuse, I will report you as a troll and tell you how trash you are" This is why I cant stand the League community, Little more than toddlers who throw all the toys around when things dont go thier way. Like my adc in a recent match who threw the entire match just because the enemy composition didnt fit with his projections. The match didnt go how he expected, so he threw the entire match at champ select.

TakazakiDec 3, 20162 votes

thats not at all what happening here

shaclone is a target of troll because he will always int if he is flamed in any sort of way.

people egg him on just because they can, the fact that he reacts is why he target so badly.

riot has stated regardless of the cause toxicity is not permitted. in shaclones case it sucks that much more however because he is a known one trick. people want to force him to dodge just because they can with a simple ban.

its a sad case all around because there is no protection for streamers who need to hide their identity in champ select to prevent these kind of things.

in short

Shaclone needs protection against trolls ( a way to hide his identity in champ select )
It's still his own fault for his ban regardless of his treatment

BIackfoxDec 3, 20161 votes

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thats not at all what happening here

shaclone is a target of troll because he will always int if he is flamed in any sort of way.

people egg him on just because they can, the fact that he reacts is why he target so badly.

riot has stated regardless of the cause toxicity is not permitted. in shaclones case it sucks that much more however because he is a known one trick. people want to force him to dodge just because they can with a simple ban.

its a sad case all around because there is no protection for streamers who need to hide their identity in champ select to prevent these kind of things.

in short

Shaclone needs protection against trolls ( a way to hide his identity in champ select )

It's still his own fault for his ban regardless of his treatment

Nope. Not his fault for getting banned, they banned his champ they deserve to be trolled And lose the game. The people who do that shit deserve to be perm banned. It shouldn't even let you ban a champ your team pics in the first place

AeroWaffleDec 3, 20163 votes

So those other players on the team, they deserve to be collateral damage from the temper tantrum?

Take the Blue Shen incident. One person banned his pick.

What about the other three members of the team? Do you think they deserved to have their game trolled because one dude was pissed?

BIackfoxDec 3, 20161 votes

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So those other players on the team, they deserve to be collateral damage from the temper tantrum?

Take the Blue Shen incident. One person banned his pick.

What about the other three members of the team? Do you think they deserved to have their game trolled because one dude was pissed?

Unlucky

TrulyBlandDec 3, 20164 votes

Being run over by a car is also unlucky. That doesn't mean the guy that was driving 50 mph on the sidewalk because a single pedestrian showed him the finger isn't to blame for it.

BIackfoxDec 3, 20161 votes

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Being run over by a car is also unlucky. That doesn't mean the guy that was driving 50 mph on the sidewalk because a single pedestrian showed him the finger isn't to blame for it.

So I'm suppose to just say meh ok and move on? And what if you are only good at that one champ? Well I guess you can feed w/o getting reported!

TrulyBlandDec 3, 20162 votes

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So I'm suppose to just say meh ok and move on?

Yes. That's exactly what you are supposed to do.

And what if you are only good at that one champ? Well I guess you can feed w/o getting reported!

Yes. Exactly.

I can't shake the feeling you are trying to be sarcastic, but what you said makes 100% sense. And even if you are reported, being reported is not the same as being banned. It also helps to tell your team upfront that you are playing a "replacement" champion that you are not very confident with.

I mean, apart from all that you really should train more than one champion to a point where you are comfortable plaiyng them. The enemy might ban or pick your champion as well, after all. Up to a therotical maximum of eight, even. And if your teammates are also one-trick ponies that must play one particular champion, even without counting your team's other two bans, as last pick you might end up with your top twelve choices of champions unavailable to you.

Hambone2013Dec 3, 20162 votes

Yes actually. The mature thing to do is shrug and play your second best guy in the role. If you don't have one it's your fault.

BIackfoxDec 3, 20161 votes

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Yes actually. The mature thing to do is shrug and play your second best guy in the role. If you don't have one it's your fault.

Guess I'm gonna have to practice my soraka Mid with smite then. Since it was very mature of them to ban the champ you wanted

TrulyBlandDec 3, 20163 votes

"Oh, but I can easily get away with it, if I just don't tell the truth!"

Congratulations, according to a little bit of googling you are roughly on the level of a four year old. Consequently, I'd estimate your chance of successfully fooling Riot to be about as high as the chance of a four year old successfully fooling an adult.

AeroWaffleDec 3, 20162 votes

By this logic, his other teammates shouldn't stand for Shaclone's trolling either. They should hold a grudge and write down his name on a notepad document so that they can revenge troll him back the next chance they get.

Is this the sort of logic you're advocating?

BIackfoxDec 3, 20161 votes

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By this logic, his other teammates shouldn't stand for Shaclone's trolling either. They should hold a grudge and write down his name on a notepad document so that they can revenge troll him back the next chance they get.

Is this the sort of logic you're advocating?

Not like you'd need to since he is so well known however I could understand if they would do that and wouldn't blame them

AeroWaffleDec 3, 20161 votes

Which would create more "unlucky" victims, who would also feel obligated to troll and so forth.

I seriously doubt that you would be fine with getting trolled if someone else was attempting to complete their own personal vendetta against someone else.

No, collateral damage is not excusable, you're held responsible for it.

BIackfoxDec 3, 20161 votes

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Which would create more "unlucky" victims, who would also feel obligated to troll and so forth.

I seriously doubt that you would be fine with getting trolled if someone else was attempting to complete their own personal vendetta against someone else.

No, collateral damage is not excusable, you're held responsible for it.

However also if as in the video shown above someone pics jg shen ghost and cleanse and is clearly going to troll.... You should dodge.

AeroWaffleDec 3, 20162 votes

Does the ability to dodge make trolling in champ select excusable?

XxxLumberJackxxXDec 3, 20162 votes

@riot @meddler its there a way to flag posters like this and double check that their accounts don't need a chat restricting or something

Worthless TripodDec 4, 20161 votes

Yes, the report button is in the bottom right of the comment. dunno if it extends to in game though, never used it.

TakazakiDec 3, 20162 votes

It is his fault, who deserve punishment here is based on the Code of conduct

banning out a one trick isn't against the rules.

inting is against the rules

again it is on the record riot has stated that trolling/flaming is not tolerated regardless of circumstance.

MartensiticDec 3, 20163 votes

Prime example of why permanent bans don't create a healthy environment or remove toxic players. They just create Tyler1 and now Shaclone, or Tyler2.

That's why lifetime bans are a thing.

This joker, like tyler before him, thinks himself above the rules, and "too-cool-to-fail". He also, for some reason, thinks that a multi-billion, industry leading company, gives a flying fart about, or is afraid of, one little toxic.

So, if he continues his bullsh*, he will very soon find out what a lifetime ban feels like.

btw. if you are not familiar with the terms:

If a player gets a Lifetime-Ban, all accounts that can be connected to him, wheter or not they had any toxic behaviour in their records, are immediately banned, as well as all future accounts that person creates or plays on.

And trust me when I tell you, Riot is very very good at finding alternate accounts.

ModUlanopoDec 3, 20162 votes

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And trust me when I tell you, Riot is very very good at finding alternate accounts.

When I was vetted before becoming an Arbiter, I joked that I could always post on my smurf if need be. Keyru immediately responded with, "Oh, you mean [account name]?" I had only played three games on the account and it had been idle for almost two years.

They know.

MartensiticDec 4, 20161 votes

Would it disturb you that I can even tell you exactly how they are doing it?

Because, its not even difficult ^^

ModUlanopoDec 4, 20161 votes

It wouldn't disturb me because I know just enough about computers, networking and security to keep myself out of trouble.

TendajiXDec 5, 20161 votes

i wanna know :D

MartensiticDec 5, 20161 votes

In simplest terms:

Every single component of your computers hardware has an ID.

That's basically a serial number, usually read as a hexadecimal, that is hardwired into a read-only memory on the hardware (aka. it cannot be changed).

The operating system can access that number, which is one of the reasons, why windows can automatically find drivers (the software interface that allows applications to use the hardware).

Now then, here comes the important part: These numbers are unique for every piece of hardware built Not just unique for the series and type of hardware, no. Unique for the specific video-card/harddrive/motherboard/soundcard/whatever built into the computer.

All that needs to be done, is:

take all these numbers
add them up
throw them into a hash-algorithm.

There, done: You now have a hardware-ID-checksum that uniquely identifies the machine among all the billions and billions of comuters in the world.

So, if multiple accounts are played with the same Hardware-ID checksum, there is a very high chance that they were played on the same machine.

TendajiXDec 6, 20161 votes

That seems terrifying and borderline Orwellian.... Thanks for the lesson tho lol that's pretty amazing